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PrintableCalhounSq said: FunkyBrotha said: Michael Jackson is the American Dream, he's what Martin Luther King dreamed of his entire life...
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American dream? More of a nightmare I'd say  With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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American dream? More of a nightmare I'd say MJ has been the most influential black man in the world for the last 25 years, like it or not. | |
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American dream? More of a nightmare I'd say MJ has been the most influential black man in the world for the last 25 years, like it or not. What about someone who really had an influence like Nelson Mandela? With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: lilgish said: MJ has been the most influential black man in the world for the last 25 years, like it or not. What about someone who really had an influence like Nelson Mandela? Apparently Nelson loses points for his failure to moonwalk | |
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Serious said: lilgish said: MJ has been the most influential black man in the world for the last 25 years, like it or not. What about someone who really had an influence like Nelson Mandela? Maybe you're not fully recognizing the power of mass media and how powerful people use it to manipulate us. I would say Nelson's importance lies in his jailing and struggle. His life post jail has been nothing but a figure head leader and ambassador. How many of us are still talking about the injustices of apartheid, last time I checked Palestinians were under a form of such a system. There are even Black people in this country who don't know who Nelson Mandela is, trust me I met them.....very sad. Michael, being the most influential speaks to how successfully the "powers to be" have stifled the growth of Black revolutionary movements. You will never see so many intellectual and powerful Black people rise to such prominence, the only reason you can reference Nelson is because he was locked away for years, if he was alive, especially in America, the man would certainly would have been dead by 1980. [Edited 10/8/05 15:36pm] | |
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lilgish said: it's scary cause these are fans pics, not paparazzi. Fedora and sunglasses, he needs to rock that forever.
or cut it short like he had durin history era, that was cuteYesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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CalhounSq said: God GAWD, the nose is worse than EVER
And that fucking wig!!!  Dude is like a nightmare 
. [Edited 10/8/05 3:15am] Worse than ever? As an unbias person in regards to MJ, I say he looks better than he looked in years based on those picture. I see some damage control there, I don't know how much more he could do but he definitely reversed the path he was going. | |
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kdj997 said: Worse than ever? As an unbias person in regards to MJ, I say he looks better than he looked in years based on those picture. I see some damage control there, I don't know how much more he could do but he definitely reversed the path he was going. Everybody thinks that they are unbiased. imho, he looks ok for MJ. His hair/wig has looked alot better. 
He's still is rockin the red lips. 
His clothes seem relatively normal. 
He really needs a tan, hell even a fake tan would do. | |
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MJ's influence on our culture can't be denied, but sadly he now represents the self hatred far too many blacks feel about themselves. The sad truth is that if more of us black folk had MJ's money, you'd see a lot more bleached out, carved up zombies walking the face of the earth.
What's even more incredible is that this man's God given talent, and sheer popularity world-wide wasn't enough to keep him from hating the man HE saw in the mirror. Which speaks to how strong self hatred can be and the many ways it can manifest itself. | |
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FunkyBrotha said: why do ppl like him ?
hmm, probably because he is the greatest living entertainer and the greatest icon of our generation. the greatest LIVING entertainer.....?? did James Brown die or something.....don't get ahead of ya self.... he looks awful...as usual. That wig....why is he rockin' a wig....why not call up latoya and janet and get the number to the chick that does their weave....something other than a wig.... Michael's influence on the entertainment industry ended many years ago. Kids today think of him as the weird dude that doesn't wanna be black and that maybe be a pedophile. | |
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[Edited 10/8/05 11:41am] [/quote] this is black? 
Give me James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, B.B King and Sly Stone ANY day. Michael is no more than and 80's icon and will be remembered for Thrillerville (oh and Bubbles, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie and hanging his son off of a balcony, and the two charity singles that never QUITE made it) oh and the moon walk and glitter glove (like the twist and the pet rock) [Edited 10/8/05 17:06pm] ---------------------------------
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lilgish said: Serious said: What about someone who really had an influence like Nelson Mandela? Maybe you're not fully recognizing the power of mass media and how powerful people use it to manipulate us. I would say Nelson's importance lies in his jailing and struggle. His life post jail has been nothing but a figure head leader and ambassador. How many of us are still talking about the injustices of apartheid, last time I checked Palestinians were under a form of such a system. There are even Black people in this country who don't know who Nelson Mandela is, trust me I met them.....very sad. Michael, being the most influential speaks to how successfully the "powers to be" have stifled the growth of Black revolutionary movements. You will never see so many intellectual and powerful Black people rise to such prominence, the only reason you can reference Nelson is because he was locked away for years, if he was alive, especially in America, the man would certainly would have been dead by 1980. [Edited 10/8/05 15:36pm] I would say that Michael is the most famous black person in the world, but I would hardly call him the most influential. I really don't think Mike could start some kind of movement.  I really can't think of a thing that Mike could influence us to do .**************************************************
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illimack said: lilgish said: Maybe you're not fully recognizing the power of mass media and how powerful people use it to manipulate us. I would say Nelson's importance lies in his jailing and struggle. His life post jail has been nothing but a figure head leader and ambassador. How many of us are still talking about the injustices of apartheid, last time I checked Palestinians were under a form of such a system. There are even Black people in this country who don't know who Nelson Mandela is, trust me I met them.....very sad. Michael, being the most influential speaks to how successfully the "powers to be" have stifled the growth of Black revolutionary movements. You will never see so many intellectual and powerful Black people rise to such prominence, the only reason you can reference Nelson is because he was locked away for years, if he was alive, especially in America, the man would certainly would have been dead by 1980. [Edited 10/8/05 15:36pm] I would say that Michael is the most famous black person in the world, but I would hardly call him the most influential. I really don't think Mike could start some kind of movement. I really can't think of a thing that Mike could influence us to do .not a movement, so much as a distraction from important evnts and such...yea, he's the most famous. | |
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jthad1129 said:
about as Black as the hair on James Brown's head, not to mention Prince. | |
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no, michaels not black anymore, black is just a colour, but he is and always will be african american, he always will be of the black race. michael s more then just the 80's, is everyone forgetting the 70's and 90's? michaelwas one of the highest selling solo entertainers in the 90's i think with only mariah carey beating him. and hes the only person in the entertainemnt industry who has kept his level of fame. hes still as famous as he was in the thriller era, maybe not for the same reasons, but he still is, can anyone else say the same? no. michael will be remebered forever and in the long run, just like elvis, his personal life will be forgotten and it will be for the music and entertainment | |
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FunkyBrotha said: ...Name any other individual who has raised more money and given more money to charity and supported more causes than any other.
Bill Gates, for one. By the end of 2004, The Gates Foundation had distributed almost 7.5 billion dollars. http://www.gatesfoundatio...actSheet/ . Could you provide some data about MJ's charity (amount, beneficiaries)? I keep hearing he's supported all these charities, where can I get details? ... his opinion is the one that will be heard for generations...
His opinion about what? "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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kdj997 said: CalhounSq said: God GAWD, the nose is worse than EVER
And that fucking wig!!! Dude is like a nightmare
. [Edited 10/8/05 3:15am] Worse than ever? As an unbias person in regards to MJ, I say he looks better than he looked in years based on those picture. I see some damage control there, I don't know how much more he could do but he definitely reversed the path he was going. Umm, PLEASE tell me how he's reversed his previous path??? When I say his nose looks worse than ever I mean that it's very, VERY sharp/pointy/fake in this photo - maybe the worst I've seen it. Outside of that the muthafucka looks the same as he has the past few years - fucked up face, too much makeup, FUCKED up wig Somebody get his punk ass on Extreme Makeover    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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illimack said: lilgish said: Maybe you're not fully recognizing the power of mass media and how powerful people use it to manipulate us. I would say Nelson's importance lies in his jailing and struggle. His life post jail has been nothing but a figure head leader and ambassador. How many of us are still talking about the injustices of apartheid, last time I checked Palestinians were under a form of such a system. There are even Black people in this country who don't know who Nelson Mandela is, trust me I met them.....very sad. Michael, being the most influential speaks to how successfully the "powers to be" have stifled the growth of Black revolutionary movements. You will never see so many intellectual and powerful Black people rise to such prominence, the only reason you can reference Nelson is because he was locked away for years, if he was alive, especially in America, the man would certainly would have been dead by 1980. [Edited 10/8/05 15:36pm] I would say that Michael is the most famous black person in the world, but I would hardly call him the most influential. I really don't think Mike could start some kind of movement. I really can't think of a thing that Mike could influence us to do .Well I can say he's greatly influenced me to stay the fuck away from plastic surgery  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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http://entertainment.msn....2>1=6952
Jackson Falls in Throng Outside Theater
Oct 8, 6:06 PM EST Michael Jackson fell to the ground as he tried to make his way through a throng of hundreds of fans outside the Victoria Palace theater, where he watched the stage version of the movie "Billy Elliot." Security staff forced a path for Jackson, 47, through the admirers and photographers standing outside the theater so he could reach the front door. But the singer fell in the commotion. At the performance, Jackson mingled with other spectators, chatting and signing autographs. "He talked to us saying hello and there were a lot of people around him," said Roxanne Wisenberg, 47, of San Diego. "He was very nice and his children were with him." Jackson was in London to work on recording a song to benefit Hurricane Katrina victims. He was staying at the Dorchester Hotel in Park Lane, where fans gathered outside in hopes of seeing him. The visit to Britain was believed to be his first since his acquittal in June of child molestation charges. He has spent much of his time in Bahrain. I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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jthad1129 said:
[Edited 10/8/05 11:41am] this is black?
Give me James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, B.B King and Sly Stone ANY day. Michael is no more than and 80's icon and will be remembered for Thrillerville (oh and Bubbles, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie and hanging his son off of a balcony, and the two charity singles that never QUITE made it) oh and the moon walk and glitter glove (like the twist and the pet rock) [Edited 10/8/05 17:06pm] [/quote] People around his age usually don't think that much of him..sad but true. Just wait until he dies....WATCH OUT..MICHAEL MANIA ALL OVER AGAIN!!! Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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interesting that you r 36 years old and u cant tell me why Michael Jackson is an icon!
Michael Jackson is the American Dream, he's what Martin Luther King dreamed of his entire life, he's a black man who is more succesful than any other white man in his field and i challenge u 2 name any other black man anywhere around the world who has achieved this and reached out to all other groups whether gay/str8, black or white, rich or poor. Name any other individual who has raised more money and given more money to charity and supported more causes than any other. Name another person who is more responsible for the current music scene/MTV, choreography and videography. You know Michael Jackson's achievements go on and on and i could spend all night talking about him. I'd rather be doing that, however, than putting people down at every opportunity, not appreciating greatness, being jealous of others who have achieved more than myself, and being downright deluded by thinking that such people are in the least bit interested in my narrow minded opinion which will probably die with me. Fortunately, fortune favours the bold, Michael Jackson will live on 4ever, his opinion is the one that will be heard for generations and all those pathetic individuals trying to get a piece of him or passing their opinion of him onto others will simply die and will never be heard again. 
this is black?
Give me James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, B.B King and Sly Stone ANY day. Michael is no more than and 80's icon and will be remembered for Thrillerville (oh and Bubbles, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie and hanging his son off of a balcony, and the two charity singles that never QUITE made it) oh and the moon walk and glitter glove (like the twist and the pet rock) Believe it or not, I´ve met a lot of young (even old) people who have NEVER heard of any of those people. They might have been big in the US, but not elsewhere - not in the eastern world. But I have NEVER met anyone who wouldn´t know Michael Jackson. You may think that it´s those scandals keeping his popularity alive, but other celebrities do as crazy things as MJ (maybe even crazier) but since they are not as important as MJ, NOBODY cares. Only Mike can make it into the news just for being mobbed in London as he did yesterday on one of our czech TV channels. I´ve never heard a report about any other rock star just to say they appeared in a public and got mobbod by people. And aldo one other funny story that I´ve experienced in Berlin where Pierce Brosman was staying in the same hotel as MJ having dinner downstairs in the hall in front of huge windows where anybody fromt he street could see him - simply showing off - and all the people outside couldn´t care less about him and were screaming looking on the first flooor for MJ to show up in a window. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Bill Gates contributed that through his business. Technically it was an individual gesture, it was a gesture through a "foundation" set up by his company.
Go and have a look at the Guiness Book of Records, its clearly states MJ is the most charitable human being, a position he took from Princess Diana when she tragically died. | |
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FunkyBrotha said: interesting that you r 36 years old and u cant tell me why Michael Jackson is an icon!
Michael Jackson is the American Dream, he's what Martin Luther King dreamed of his entire life, he's a black man who is more succesful than any other white man in his field and i challenge u 2 name any other black man anywhere around the world who has achieved this and reached out to all other groups whether gay/str8, black or white, rich or poor. Name any other individual who has raised more money and given more money to charity and supported more causes than any other. Name another person who is more responsible for the current music scene/MTV, choreography and videography. JAMES BROWN. If you didn't know that, I don`t know why you call yourself "FunkyBrotha". Without JB, there would be no MJ. And JB is everything you have discribed above .. and he was there first. | |
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dag said: interesting that you r 36 years old and u cant tell me why Michael Jackson is an icon!
Michael Jackson is the American Dream, he's what Martin Luther King dreamed of his entire life, he's a black man who is more succesful than any other white man in his field and i challenge u 2 name any other black man anywhere around the world who has achieved this and reached out to all other groups whether gay/str8, black or white, rich or poor. Name any other individual who has raised more money and given more money to charity and supported more causes than any other. Name another person who is more responsible for the current music scene/MTV, choreography and videography. You know Michael Jackson's achievements go on and on and i could spend all night talking about him. I'd rather be doing that, however, than putting people down at every opportunity, not appreciating greatness, being jealous of others who have achieved more than myself, and being downright deluded by thinking that such people are in the least bit interested in my narrow minded opinion which will probably die with me. Fortunately, fortune favours the bold, Michael Jackson will live on 4ever, his opinion is the one that will be heard for generations and all those pathetic individuals trying to get a piece of him or passing their opinion of him onto others will simply die and will never be heard again.
this is black?
Give me James Brown, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, B.B King and Sly Stone ANY day. Michael is no more than and 80's icon and will be remembered for Thrillerville (oh and Bubbles, Liz Taylor, Lisa Marie and hanging his son off of a balcony, and the two charity singles that never QUITE made it) oh and the moon walk and glitter glove (like the twist and the pet rock) Believe it or not, I´ve met a lot of young (even old) people who have NEVER heard of any of those people. They might have been big in the US, but not elsewhere - not in the eastern world. But I have NEVER met anyone who wouldn´t know Michael Jackson.. That may be true. But we were talking about influence and impact here, and James Brown has laid the foundation of MJ's career. From his music, his singing to his dancing - JB is omnipresent in Michael Jackson. So even some young kids today may not know the name James Brown, every one of them knows his beats, screams, guitar riffs, his syncopation and his dances. | |
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James Brown is nowhere near the cultural and musical icon that Michael Jackson is. Its true that JB is great entertainer and got their first but James Brown has never penetrated every culture throughout the world. No kid in the UK would be able to identify who JB is but they all know Michael Jackson, they know his music all the way back to Dont Stop til u Get Enough and further. Go ask some kid in Egypt who JB is and then ask them who MJ is, then go 2 japan and do the same.
The person above who says i shouldnt call myself FunkyBrotha if i dont see that JB is more of an icon is clearly just another tabloid influenced Jackson hater. I love JB, been to see him live, he rocks, he's a god of the black music scene, but he is NOT a worldwide ICON and he was surpassed by a lot of musicians of his time i.e. the beatles, the stones etc. Also this crap about JB being the only reason MJ exists is ridiculous. Its true that they are both dancers and bust similar moves but to be honest the similarity ends there. There are hints of Brownisms in MJ's music but thats just musical development through the years, mj's stuff is much deeper than that, he's far more versatile and simply uses the past to enhance the future. James Brown "Earth Song" i dont think so. James Brown "Man in the Mirror" i dont think so. On that note, anyone that says such and such wouldnt exist without such and such is misinformed about the ways of the world. Its like saying the moon wouldnt shine if it werent for Neil Armstrong or the 2nd world war wouldnt have happened without Hitler. | |
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That may be true. But we were talking about influence and impact here, and James Brown has laid the foundation of MJ's career. From his music, his singing to his dancing - JB is omnipresent in Michael Jackson. So even some young kids today may not know the name James Brown, every one of them knows his beats, screams, guitar riffs, his syncopation and his dances.
He did, but many others as well. MJ doesn´t do only JB moves. He has a lot of Fred Astaire in himself as well - that greace MJ dances with is nothing that JB would have. And as for influence, sure JB had huge influence, but MJ as well - don´t deny that. As for fame - there´s NOONE like MJ. Only Princess Diana could match him I´d say. The whole world knows who she was as well. Elvis, Beatles as well, but I think that only MJ is notoriously known for any reasons even to the young generation, which Elvis and Beatles might not already be. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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JAMES BROWN.
If you didn't know that, I don`t know why you call yourself "FunkyBrotha". Without JB, there would be no MJ. And JB is everything you have discribed above .. and he was there first. of course he was, but it´s not MJ´s fault that James Brown was born first. Don´t mistaken me though. I looooove James Brown. Visited his concert last year and he ROCKED!!!!! He was phenomenal! "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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MrSoulpower said: dag said: Believe it or not, I´ve met a lot of young (even old) people who have NEVER heard of any of those people. They might have been big in the US, but not elsewhere - not in the eastern world. But I have NEVER met anyone who wouldn´t know Michael Jackson.. That may be true. But we were talking about influence and impact here, and James Brown has laid the foundation of MJ's career. From his music, his singing to his dancing - JB is omnipresent in Michael Jackson. So even some young kids today may not know the name James Brown, every one of them knows his beats, screams, guitar riffs, his syncopation and his dances. Man, you sound like a 'Claymate', way over fanatical. Michael is IMAGE only. Does not play music, writes, or should I say co-writes (so he can have a piece of the $$$), puts out music occasionally. He sings and dances and gets his picture taken at the right places and at the right times. He is a media whore because image is all he has left. icon? sure, i'll agree. I say its generational. To you, CLEARLY he is next to God, or you would not keep posting and defending his JESUS influence on you. I think he is a good entertainer. Influential to some, i'm sure, Usher and Cisco to name a couple. His influence is mainly on his fanatical fan base and his millions of people that flock to him in public. Call it what it is - hypnotism. No different than Hitler or Jim Jones telling his 'followers' to drink tainted kool-aid, or Osama instructing suicide bombers. Gay/straight/black/white/rich/poor. Give me a break. If he told you to be at the courthouse holding a sign, you would be there tomorrow. Not comparing Mike to these lunatics, but just like these people, he will remembered as a wonderful hypnotist. ---------------------------------
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I'd like to see some of you post a pic of yourself so we can criticize how YOU look.
There's so much to say about MJ (good and bad), but instead people focus on the single most superficial aspect. Repo Man's got all night, every night. | |
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jthad1129 said: Man, you sound like a 'Claymate', way over fanatical. Michael is IMAGE only. Does not play music, writes, or should I say co-writes (so he can have a piece of the $$$), puts out music occasionally. He sings and dances and gets his picture taken at the right places and at the right times. He is a media whore because image is all he has left. sorry, I'm waiting for the next album, single and could careless about image | |
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