fluid said:

i thought it had more to do with the press and media coverage in the US after the Bad tour and how didn't want to deal with it anymore.

He is in serious talks to have a las vegas kinda deal.

If he has a tour he will sellout he has a loyal fan base

But if his body is in such bad shape how will he dance and shit

I think most ppl go so see him dance.

It's nothing to do with album sales. His catalogue sales are bigger than all his "rivals".

The Dangerous tour was set to have a US leg, but obviously something else prevented that from happening back in '93. The HIStory tour was pure shite and I don't think anyone would have really appreciated that anyway. He doesn't exactly enjoy touring, and considering HIStory wasn't doing all that well in the US and the good singles were being ignored by radio there, there wasn't much point.

fluid said:

Nah, history really is shit

I read "dangerous" was gonna be a single. It would of been nice to of seen a video and how well it could of done. It woulda sound dated by mid-late 1993, but who knows?

Michael is like elvis, shy in real life, opposite on stage. I also see mike going to vegas. I so hope he doesn't go there. I read Michael hate vegas when he was there with his brothers.

well, yeah, compared to Bd and Dangerous tours which were live, yeah. But History tour concert was the only one I´ve ever been to, and I can tell you that it was an unforgetable experience as well although most of it was playback. Mike´s presence is the most electrifying. And seeing him DANCE live is breathtaking even itself. I am sure he would sell out anything if he went onstage. Just remember the New York concerts. Sold out even with the high prices of the tickets.

Mike should leave that freaking country alone

You "heard" HIStory was awesome? Well I was in the front row and believe me, it wasn't.

why should he tour? I saw the bad-tour in Rotterdam in 88. It was nice, especially when the band played A Beautiful Night during the instrumental break. Later I saw video's of the other tours, and they were exactly alike (medley's, songs, moves, tricks, the girlfrom the audience coming on stage...) apart from maybe a few new songs... so if you want to see him "live".. just buy the dvd

dennis said:

cha know...i fault him, madonna and janet for this crap..they arent concerts..they are theater plays and should be billed as such....

and nothing wrong with it but call it what it is..that way people wont be dissapointed when you "present" the same play over and over..city after city....

and at least madge re-interprets her show each year..janet changes the clothes and does the same show year after year and expects people not to notice..

MJ could sell out football stadiums in the States if he wanted to.

asg said:

I thought this was a no-go? At least Trump said no last time I bothered reading about it. He was worried about the cost of insuring and MJ's history of not making scheduled performances.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Thats funny. The last time I saw Trump talking about this subject, he was saying that he was willing to work out any details that MJ wanted in order to get a deal signed with him. There were a couple of other developers that wanted similar deals with MJ, including Wynn.

dreamfactory313 said:

I don't doubt it. It has been a while since I saw that, at least 2 months or so.

sosgemini said:

i agree they aren't really concerts so much as Theatre, Madonna has even stated she won't do a show unless it's Theatrical.

And i think if we are going to spend the money to see it MJ and JJ should at least try to do look like they put effort into planing the show.

My mate knows someone who knows MJ - spoke to him on the phone this week at least. We said next time she speaks to him just yell "UNPLUGGED UNPLUGGED UNPLUGGED".
[Edited 10/3/05 13:01pm]

ehuffnsd said:

hopefully she will remember that next time and burn her guitar before she maps out the next show.

fluid said:

Actually there was going to be a U.S. tour for Dangerous. According to the book "Michael Jackson:Unauthorized", it was going to be planned during 1994 after Michael finished with South America. Unfortunately, the pedophile scandal put it all to a halt.

I've never seen Michael live so I would so love to see him in concert. With that said, he needs to make the lipsynching at least a little more discreet, if not terminated. When he did the CBS special in 2001, it was noticable in some points by the way he covered his mouth.

newskin69 said:

That unauthorized book is nasty. Entertaining though and now iam beginning to see that alot of that shit seems to be true perhaps.

Its trashy, but infact, seems pretty spot on. Well woth hunting down. It only got to 1994 though (as it came out in 1994). It goes into graphic detail about jordy. I was a kid reading that book. That chapter was horrible.


The Donny osmond incident around the "victory" tour was funny. Mikes staff called it "Donnygate". Mike didn't want the media to see a pic with himself and donny. He also gave "advice" at the time, suggesting he should change his name to "don". Jacko, ur an idiot

sosgemini said:

ditto... more dance this time less guitar

thesexofit said:

It was a nasty book. Aside from the obvious record sales achievments, it basically portrayed Jacko as a vicious monster whom likes to molest little boys. If you read it with an open mind, you might find it entertaining. Has some interesting insight on his relationships with Prince, Madonna, Paul McCartney, and others

Ellie said:

Matter of opinion, I was in the front row too & thought it was a great show - visually stunning, much more so than the others - where the performance stood out more & I was in front row for the other tours too!!

newskin69 said:[quote]

thesexofit said:

CAn u tell us more about it

for starters

bad sold 7 mill in the usa, 28 million worldwide,

dangerous sold 7 mill too in the usa, 30 million worldwide, not exactly shit sales of that time,

considering he didnt get to release Dangerous the single, and because of the 93 allegations, he couldnt tour the usa, and so the album momentum was fucked,

if he had toured the usa for the dangerous album, dangerous would have easily sold another 2 to 3 million, possibly more,


oh yeah, History didnt flop, it sold 15 Million copies, which for a 2 CD set is superb, and given that it came so soon after the allegations

stranger in moscow is the shit, fucking great stuff,


obviously, a new tour worldwide would be nice, and records would definitely be broken,

but to be honest, do you think MJ even gives a fuck???

he's been there, done that, bough the T shirt, shitted on the T shirt, been to court, fucked his face,

you name it, he's done it, so basically theres nothing left to achieve,

he should just chill and just tour when he likes and fuck sales figures


if he ever comes out with a new album, you can almost guarentee it will sell 10 million easy worldwide this time,

asg said:[quote]

newskin69 said:

Prince: How Michael couldnt stand Prince but was somewhat jealous of Prince's Academy Award win. Also alleged that Prince might have tried to pull off an occultic spell on Michael.

Madonna: After MJ realized that Madonna was a bigger threat than Prince, he bashed her privately, saying that the only talent she had was marketing. Seeing how much press a duet would be, they attempted one. In fact, "In The Closet" was originally written for the both of them. However, Madonna thought it was "a piece of shit" and returned to Michael's shit list. Also, when they were in the duet business deal, she tried getting him to come out and admit to , at least what she believed, his homosexuality. She would constantly tell him that she wanted to turn jose and luis(her dancers) loose on him, to which he pretty much kept quiet in response.

Funny enough, when Madonna found out MJ had called her a "heifer", she responded "I'd rather be that then look like a space alien drag queen lol


Paul McCartney: Basically how they were friends until MJ screwed him over with the Beatles catalog deal. Nothing really out there.

Mick Jagger: MJ was fascinated with Mick's ability to dress and act feminine yet have a macho type of image. Wanting a hard edge, MJ got him to sing on "State of Shock", to which afterwards MJ felt that Jagger couldnt sing in key and nearly killed the song. Jagger wasnt too impressed with MJ either, thinking he was kind of a bore.
[Edited 10/5/05 16:02pm]

terryfrancis said:

You are right with a lot of your points...especially, your point on "Stranger In Moscow, possibly MJ's most adult and focused moment as a writer...BUT.....
I think with a lot of MJ fans who bring up the worldwide sales to combat the headlines of MJ falling commercially and artistically, they fail to see that most of the critism of MJ is self-inflicted...Whenever you publicly state that your intentions are only to smash the record breaking sales of Thriller (Bad); Whenever you go from collaborating with QJ to chasing the hottest producers of the day for your new releases, just to stay current; whenever you start calling yourself the KING OF POP, which basically screams that your success should only be judged by record sales than the quality of music, then you are bound to fall...Beating on your chest because you are still huge in Germany means nothing to MJ's core American fans...I think you stated it well: MJ should just get a tour together and fuck the record sales (Great point!!!!)

Michael is the only veteran artist that can sale 3 million copies in the States alone and be called a failure...Well, maybe that's because the man spent $30 million on the production of an album (Invincible),' a ridiculous number in the record business...MJ should just make music on his own terms and not worry about being number 1...The man is living in the past...Trust me, if MJ did an MTV Unplugged show and just sang from the heart, the public would accept him...
[Edited 10/5/05 16:36pm]

murph said:[quote]

terryfrancis said:

wasnt it 51million thats what i read he producted 81 tracks b4 cuttin them down

he didnt see any more for more then 2yrs after release by that time the sales were miniscule