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PrintableI'll take the Mick Taylor era over the Brian Jones era any fucking day of the week! "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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jacktheimprovident said: theAudience said: Which probably should be corrected for clarity to read, "In the beginning, Brian Jones was The Rolling Stones" figuratively speaking. He did more than try to "pass the band off as his". It was his concept. He put the band together. Don't mind me, read Bill Wyman's own words, "The band would not have existed without him…". He was the "musician" of the group. During those early days (pre U.S.) , it was even Brian who was the most animated on stage moreso than Jagger. Keith became one of the masterminds along with Jagger. And his "blues traditionalist mindset" is still an important element in the present day Rolling Stones. Keeping in mind the time frame i'm referring to, feel free to continue. tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I can dig that, although I still think that by virtue of the fact that he didn't write any of the material, that he wasn't the creatively dominant one. Yes he has no writing credits. Although there's some controversy surrounding the song Ruby Tuesday. Story has it that the melody was composed in studio by Brian. This was supposedly confirmed by Ian Stewart (his original musical partner in the group) and Marianne Faithful. Brian's recorder and piano are signature elements of this tune. "Ruby Tuesday is good. I think that's a wonderful song. It's just a nice melody, really. And a lovely lyric. Neither of which I wrote, but I always enjoy singing it." - Mick Jagger 1995 Odd that writing credits end up with Jagger/Richards. But that's just one song. His main contribution to that era of the band was his ability to add these other instruments to the arrangements...  
   
  
...Thus giving these particular tunes more variety and color. Things that are not always apparent by just viewing writing credits. (Technically, just lyrics and melody.) Brian...  
 
...during happier days. 
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theAudience said: jacktheimprovident said: I can dig that, although I still think that by virtue of the fact that he didn't write any of the material, that he wasn't the creatively dominant one. Yes he has no writing credits. Although there's some controversy surrounding the song Ruby Tuesday. Story has it that the melody was composed in studio by Brian. This was supposedly confirmed by Ian Stewart (his original musical partner in the group) and Marianne Faithful. Brian's recorder and piano are signature elements of this tune. "Ruby Tuesday is good. I think that's a wonderful song. It's just a nice melody, really. And a lovely lyric. Neither of which I wrote, but I always enjoy singing it." - Mick Jagger 1995 Odd that writing credits end up with Jagger/Richards. But that's just one song. His main contribution to that era of the band was his ability to add these other instruments to the arrangements...
...Thus giving these particular tunes more variety and color. Things that are not always apparent by just viewing writing credits. (Technically, just lyrics and melody.) Brian...
...during happier days.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431  Wow... great essay as usual,tA....
BTW- I had forgotten about that groovy mellotron on "2000 Light Years" Good stuff  "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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MrTation said: Wow... great essay as usual,tA....
BTW- I had forgotten about that groovy mellotron on "2000 Light Years" Good stuff Thank you sir. 
That mellotron gives the tune that extra creepy psychedelic edge. 
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theAudience said: MrTation said: Wow... great essay as usual,tA....
BTW- I had forgotten about that groovy mellotron on "2000 Light Years" Good stuff Thank you sir.
That mellotron gives the tune that extra creepy psychedelic edge.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I might add, just so you know that I'm not trying to diss brian jones with what I've said, that his use of exotic instruments particular of sitar on paint it black and street fighting man (wasn't that a tamboura? or is that just another "type" of sitar  ) are among my favorite "touches" on the stones' songs .
Oh btw, I'd always thought that that strange droning, trombone-like sound that comes in at about 2:40 on Street Fighting man was actually somehow produced by Brian's sitar/tamboura/whatever, but then I'd read that it was actually some kind of indian clarinet-like wind instrument called a shehani and that it was played by dave mason of traffic. You know anything about that? [Edited 9/17/05 22:35pm] | |
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jacktheimprovident said: I might add, just so you know that I'm not trying to diss brian jones with what I've said, that his use of exotic instruments particular of sitar on paint it black and street fighting man (wasn't that a tamboura? or is that just another "type" of sitar ) are among my favorite "touches" on the stones' songs .
Oh btw, I'd always thought that that strange droning, trombone-like sound that comes in at about 2:40 on Street Fighting man was actually somehow produced by Brian's sitar/tamboura/whatever, but then I'd read that it was actually some kind of indian clarinet-like wind instrument called a shehani and that it was played by dave mason of traffic. You know anything about that? According to some Street Fighting Man recording accounts, you've got Brian on sitar & tamboura (droning instrument like sitar but no frets) and Dave Mason on shehani. Didn't take your comments as a dis to Brian. It's just that i've been a Stones fan since day one.
Ever since getting my vinyl copy of 12 x 5 (one of the 1st albums I ever bought by anybody) ... 
...and have an appreciation for Brian's contributions to that period of the band's history. 
"Brian was still fantastic making records, because he was so versatile. I mean, he'd have marimbas - which is why you have marimbas on Under My Thumb - or dulcimer, sitar. He kind of lost interest in guitar, in a way. But at the same time he added all of that other color, those other instruments and other ideas. He was an incredibly inventive musician." ~Keith Richards tA Tribal Disorder
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Whatever happened to Bill Wyman? | |
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heartbeatocean said: Whatever happened to Bill Wyman?
His flick Digital Daydreams gets released in the UK next month. He's also got a restaurant chain - Sticky Fingers. And is gigging with The Rhythm Kings. www.BillWyman.com tA Tribal Disorder
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Can anyone comment on the Four Flicks DVDs? All the way good? Or only for hardcore fans? | |
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theAudience said: heartbeatocean said: Whatever happened to Bill Wyman?
His flick Digital Daydreams gets released in the UK next month. He's also got a restaurant chain - Sticky Fingers. And is gigging with The Rhythm Kings. www.BillWyman.com tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Why did he leave the band? I don't know anything about the history. | |
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heartbeatocean said: Why did he leave the band? I don't know anything about the history. I guess the accepted story is that he just got tired of it and had enough. He also had a fear of flying which i'm sure didn't help when it came time to tour. tA Tribal Disorder
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calldapplwondery83 said: Can anyone comment on the Four Flicks DVDs? All the way good? Or only for hardcore fans?
I think its a great set.It contains performances of some rarely performed songs, and several "new" cover songs... Last years "Live Licks" CD was pulled from this set... "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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MrTation said: calldapplwondery83 said: Can anyone comment on the Four Flicks DVDs? All the way good? Or only for hardcore fans?
I think its a great set.It contains performances of some rarely performed songs, and several "new" cover songs... Last years "Live Licks" CD was pulled from this set... Is there a good DVD set of their early years? | |
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GangstaFam said: MrTation said: I think its a great set.It contains performances of some rarely performed songs, and several "new" cover songs... Last years "Live Licks" CD was pulled from this set... Is there a good DVD set of their early years? "Gimme Shelter" has some performance on it , but it's more about the murder and violence that took place while the show was going on. The Rolling Stones Rock & Roll Circus" was finally released on DVD last year... It has some good performances from a show in '68 ,and features guests John & Yoko, Taj Mahal, The Who, Jethro Tull & Marianne Faithful....all in a circus tent. "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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MrTation said: "Gimme Shelter" has some performance on it , but it's more about the murder and violence that took place while the show was going on.
The Rolling Stones Rock & Roll Circus" was finally released on DVD last year... It has some good performances from a show in '68 ,and features guests John & Yoko, Taj Mahal, The Who, Jethro Tull & Marianne Faithful....all in a circus tent. Thanks for the tip! I've seen that and I need it. | |
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