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Reply #90 posted 09/03/05 10:26am

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thecableguy said:



If he did he would say it..has he yet??? The problem will all these people in the music business today (dixie chicks/ p-diddy..) Is that the feel their voices are bigger than the problem. Would you listen to a Kanye if he was not in the music business

I will go back well over 30 years with this, Elvis Presely was once asked about his views on the Vietnam war, his response "he is an entertainer, and rather keep his personal views to himself". Perfect.

The bottom line if all the "entertainers" today want to express themselves which is fine, do something other than play "monday morning quaterback" and tell us what most of us seem to know all ready. Why not run for a political office, if they are popular as they say they should have no problem getting elected. They won't do it, for the obvious reason...


What about being an entertainer relinquishes the right to speak politically?


He can speak about it, do something MORE than talking about it. Don't give me he's going to perform stuff. Didn't the performers from Live 8 get paid to play??

He he was to be poltical run for office!!! Than people who be so pissed off by his comments when he's not even in politics.
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Reply #91 posted 09/03/05 10:29am

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WTF!


What??

Sorry Guy, I responsed to the wrong post.
I agree with your post.
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Reply #92 posted 09/03/05 10:30am

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What??

Sorry Guy, I responsed to the wrong post.
I agree with your post.
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Reply #93 posted 09/03/05 10:31am

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nod A friend of mine told me that there was a plan in place to repair the levies so that they wouldn't break in the event of a catastrophe like this. She told me that Bush cancelled the plan, and spent the money that would have been used for the repairs for (I think) the Iraqi war (not sure what she told me now, probably because I was pissed when she told me about it).


I will admit this, at the start of the war I supported it, i thought let's find those WMD's get Hussien out of there, but we still have found nothing, as an american I feel lied to, this is what our president said was there. When was the last time you ever heard about WMD's on the news??? Bush will try to put 9/11 on this war, but it was already proven that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. So we waste billions of dollars over there for a country that hates us, our soldiers are dying and for what??? We have people who live in poverty, an educational system that is failing, gas prices that are over $4. Our focus should be on the US, let us take a vacation from the rest of the world.


nod I agree with you on everything you said. I don't understand WHY we even had to get involved in the Iraq war to BEGIN with. As you stated, MANY innocent soldiers are being killed, AND FOR WHAT REASON?? All the way around, it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
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Reply #94 posted 09/03/05 10:38am

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What about being an entertainer relinquishes the right to speak politically?


He can speak about it, do something MORE than talking about it. Don't give me he's going to perform stuff. Didn't the performers from Live 8 get paid to play??

He he was to be poltical run for office!!! Than people who be so pissed off by his comments when he's not even in politics.


If you've read the story, he says he's called his business manager about how much he can donate. That could be BS, could not. All we can really evaluate at his point are his words, which are right on point in my opinion.
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Reply #95 posted 09/03/05 10:42am

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last nights telecast was not a spotlight 4 political views. as of this morning i heard that ppl were calling up and asking 4 their money back becuz of kanye's comments. wrong as that maybe, this is not a race issue, this is a human issue and a neighbor issue. we all must help. there r blacks, whites and others all suffering down there. and as 4 the shooting "our" ppl etc comment last night, let's just try stopping the ppl who are raping, holding up houses and buses, shooting at the helicopters trying 2 pick up ppl. this isn't a race issue, it's about dealing with the idiots causing trouble.
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Reply #96 posted 09/03/05 10:55am

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nod Agreed. Between shows like Bill Mahers and Kayne's protest, the revolution is being televised and I say dammit's about time.



I remember PRINCE saying how much he liked Bill Mahers show a few Years back. Im sure PRINCE stopped watching BILL as soon as BILL pointed out how stupid Religion is and how people are Brainwashed into believing in it.

This particular episode was one everyone should have watched b/c it had Eric Dyson is minister. He checked Bill Mahers as well as the rest of the panel on the show. Now, if you are familiar with Eric Dyson , then you know what his philosphy is truly about. And if you aren't familiar with Eric Dyson then, you need to some research. I must restate that the revolution was definitely televised live.
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Reply #97 posted 09/03/05 11:05am

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thecableguy said:



He can speak about it, do something MORE than talking about it. Don't give me he's going to perform stuff. Didn't the performers from Live 8 get paid to play??

He he was to be poltical run for office!!! Than people who be so pissed off by his comments when he's not even in politics.


If you've read the story, he says he's called his business manager about how much he can donate. That could be BS, could not. All we can really evaluate at his point are his words, which are right on point in my opinion.

nod Agreed. Based on the chain of events that have occured live in plain eyesight, it doesn't take a blind man to see the injustice that's taking place and say kudus for him for taking a stand live and saying fuck the mainstream.
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Reply #98 posted 09/03/05 11:26am

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What about being an entertainer relinquishes the right to speak politically?


He can speak about it, do something MORE than talking about it. Don't give me he's going to perform stuff. Didn't the performers from Live 8 get paid to play??

He he was to be poltical run for office!!! Than people who be so pissed off by his comments when he's not even in politics.


No one should have to shy away from speaking from the heart about issues. Politicians are supposed to represent the voice of the people, but artists do the same and have done the same for a long, long time. It's better to speak about it now while there still can be something done than point fingers after the fact.
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Reply #99 posted 09/03/05 11:36am

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thecableguy said:



He can speak about it, do something MORE than talking about it. Don't give me he's going to perform stuff. Didn't the performers from Live 8 get paid to play??

He he was to be poltical run for office!!! Than people who be so pissed off by his comments when he's not even in politics.


No one should have to shy away from speaking from the heart about issues. Politicians are supposed to represent the voice of the people, but artists do the same and have done the same for a long, long time. It's better to speak about it now while there still can be something done than point fingers after the fact.

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Reply #100 posted 09/03/05 11:38am

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All I have to say on this is I AIN'T MAD AT KANYE.
People love to say "now's not the right time to talk about..." THERE IS NO RIGHT TIME. Honestly, I believe most people would just rather play politically correct and PRETEND racism is dead. Social bias is alive and stronger than racism in this time period. People excuse it because its "lighter" and seemingly less harmless than pure racial hatred. Its really just another way of drinking Haterade without having that nasty Haterade aftertaste that comes with racism. Haterade Light. Not everyone is willing to let it pass. Obviously Kanye wasn't about to, either.
I've noticed there's a lot of telethon bashing going on around here. Anyone and I mean ANYONE criticizing an effort to help people, especially right here in our own country has to be an IDIOT or an insensitive asshole. SoSo - ban me if you want to but I'm speaking the TRUTH - no filters.
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Reply #101 posted 09/03/05 11:55am

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All I have to say on this is I AIN'T MAD AT KANYE.
People love to say "now's not the right time to talk about..." THERE IS NO RIGHT TIME. Honestly, I believe most people would just rather play politically correct and PRETEND racism is dead. Social bias is alive and stronger than racism in this time period. People excuse it because its "lighter" and seemingly less harmless than pure racial hatred. Its really just another way of drinking Haterade without having that nasty Haterade aftertaste that comes with racism. Haterade Light. Not everyone is willing to let it pass. Obviously Kanye wasn't about to, either.

nod BK, I have to agree with you about urgency of the matter b/c state of Black Americans is an urgent one. And if I said it once, I say it again, the reveloution was definitely televised between Kanye West's stand and Eric Dyson's appearance on Bill Maher.

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Reply #102 posted 09/03/05 11:59am

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asg said:

i saw bill mahers( formally from politocally incorrect) show on HBO it took so many swipes at bush.

You know bush was busy playing guitar ( they even had a picture) after the hurricane.

He is a total moron i hope he gets impeached.I hope his approval goes to 30%


I dont think u can blame poor ppl for not moving they dont have the resources. Its just the sad part of life

nod Agreed. Between shows like Bill Mahers and Kayne's protest, the revolution is being televised and I say dammit's about time.


Yes Bill Maher's show was on point last night.
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Reply #103 posted 09/03/05 12:24pm

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Yeah,I saw Kanye on TV last night,makig those comments.This guy really speaks his mind! I may not always agree with him,but he certainly has guts.
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Reply #104 posted 09/03/05 12:38pm

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the people there are there because they didn't want to leave.


It costs money to leave. It costs money for gas, food, and a motel/hotel for who knows how long. If I lived in New Orleans, I probably would have been one of those that went to the Superdome because I wouldn't have had that kind of money to get out. Yes, there are a few that refused to leave because they didn't believe it was going to be so bad but the majority didn't have the money to leave.

As for Bush taking so long to respond, if it was rich white Republicans that were stupid enough to vote for his sorry ass, he would have been there the very next day. The only reason he's sending people in there now is because it would look bad if he didn't. If he had his way, he wouldn't do anything.



True enough. Many of the people who did not leave were either old, infirmed, or simply without funds or a final destination to go to. 50% of the population of New Orleans don't even have CARS. The "they could have left if they wanted to" theory is simply infuriating to me.
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Reply #105 posted 09/03/05 2:55pm

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I'm watching the telethon for the hurricane victims on the Gulf Coast, and Kanye West went off on how the media portays the black victims as looters while portraying the white victims as desperate. Then he talked about the war and yelled, "George Bush doesn't care about black people!" before the camera switched away.

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I'm glad Kanye West had the guts to say it. I don't think George Bush cares about poor people in general, especially those who don't share his point of view. I think he's extremely out of touch with the plight of poor people in this country and like some Republicans he just can't comprehend how anyone can be born and remain poor in America, therefore he doesn't have any empathy for them. Initially, people were told to go to the Superdome if they didn't have anywhere else to go, so they went there, and now some people want to say that its their own fault for getting stuck there. Even conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Michael Savage are criticizing the government's response to this disaster and are being careful about blaming the victims. In regards to looting, the majority of people I've seen on the news are taking shit they need to survive. After a major natural disaster I don't have a problem with people taking food, medicine, water etc. if no one is providing it for them. Obviously people don't need TV's but I'm not convinced that that is as big of a problem as certain people are trying to make it out to be. On Friday I heard a national guard soldier tell Sean Hannity that they've been getting several calls regarding looting that turned out to be untrue once they reached the locations. He also said that some of those stories are rumors, innuendoes and paranoia. And of course Sean Hannity quickly changed the subject, as did Bill O'Reilly when another one of his looting stories didn't pan out to be credible. Meanwhile, thank God Trent Lott's house is going to be O.K. because according to Bush's Friday morning speech that's what matters...who's the MF that wrote that dumb ass speech.
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Reply #106 posted 09/03/05 3:03pm

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I remember PRINCE saying how much he liked Bill Mahers show a few Years back. Im sure PRINCE stopped watching BILL as soon as BILL pointed out how stupid Religion is and how people are Brainwashed into believing in it.

This particular episode was one everyone should have watched b/c it had Eric Dyson is minister. He checked Bill Mahers as well as the rest of the panel on the show. Now, if you are familiar with Eric Dyson , then you know what his philosphy is truly about. And if you aren't familiar with Eric Dyson then, you need to some research. I must restate that the revolution was definitely televised live.
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Well actually BILL and ERIC were in complete agreement on everything spoken of, there was never a disagreement between them at all, except for maybe the Bill Cosby thing.

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Reply #107 posted 09/03/05 3:33pm

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MadameS said:


This particular episode was one everyone should have watched b/c it had Eric Dyson is minister. He checked Bill Mahers as well as the rest of the panel on the show. Now, if you are familiar with Eric Dyson , then you know what his philosphy is truly about. And if you aren't familiar with Eric Dyson then, you need to some research. I must restate that the revolution was definitely televised live.
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Well actually BILL and ERIC were in complete agreement on everything spoken of, there was never a disagreement between them at all, except for maybe the Bill Cosby thing.

Let's make the distinction. After Eric checked the panel and Bill's ass,Bill was in complete agreement with the exception of the Bill Cosby which is expected. Moreless, Bill doesn't have a true comprehension of the Black expereince.
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Reply #108 posted 09/03/05 7:28pm

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Reply #111 posted 09/03/05 9:47pm

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damn....already. giggle I wonder what Mike Myers was about to say after that.
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Reply #112 posted 09/03/05 10:22pm

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Good. I wish hed say more. We need more ppl like him to call Bush out. The guy is a complete moron.
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Reply #113 posted 09/03/05 10:48pm

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I thought it was brave and bold for Kanye to come out like that, and I heard it in his voice that he was just speaking off hand and was nervous, he had every right to be.

But I think he should've shut his mouth before he went right into "Bush doesnt care about black people" I was like omg and Mike Meyers looked at him like 'ok ok enough omg '
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Reply #114 posted 09/03/05 10:50pm

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CinisterCee said:



damn....already. giggle I wonder what Mike Myers was about to say after that.



Me too!!! I wish they didnt take it off!!! He turned and was like HUH!!?
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Reply #115 posted 09/03/05 11:03pm

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MendesCity said:



How do we know he's not dipping into his own money to help out? Would it be tackier if he sat around bragged about how much he donated? Isn't it good that he's calling out the root of the problem, racist politicans? And why is it so bad for an artist to want to succeed and, at the same time, have a political voice in the process?


If he did he would say it..has he yet??? The problem will all these people in the music business today (dixie chicks/ p-diddy..) Is that the feel their voices are bigger than the problem. Would you listen to a Kanye if he was not in the music business

I will go back well over 30 years with this, Elvis Presely was once asked about his views on the Vietnam war, his response "he is an entertainer, and rather keep his personal views to himself". Perfect.

The bottom line if all the "entertainers" today want to express themselves which is fine, do something other than play "monday morning quaterback" and tell us what most of us seem to know all ready. Why not run for a political office, if they are popular as they say they should have no problem getting elected. They won't do it, for the obvious reason...


ever hear of freedom of speech? no matter what field of business you are in?
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Reply #116 posted 09/03/05 11:06pm

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2cute4uhoney said:

thecableguy said:



If he did he would say it..has he yet??? The problem will all these people in the music business today (dixie chicks/ p-diddy..) Is that the feel their voices are bigger than the problem. Would you listen to a Kanye if he was not in the music business

I will go back well over 30 years with this, Elvis Presely was once asked about his views on the Vietnam war, his response "he is an entertainer, and rather keep his personal views to himself". Perfect.

The bottom line if all the "entertainers" today want to express themselves which is fine, do something other than play "monday morning quaterback" and tell us what most of us seem to know all ready. Why not run for a political office, if they are popular as they say they should have no problem getting elected. They won't do it, for the obvious reason...


ever hear of freedom of speech? no matter what field of business you are in?


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Reply #117 posted 09/04/05 12:01am

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Music has always been a forum for political and social commentary. It always will be.
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Reply #118 posted 09/04/05 12:38am

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lastdecember said:



Well actually BILL and ERIC were in complete agreement on everything spoken of, there was never a disagreement between them at all, except for maybe the Bill Cosby thing.

Let's make the distinction. After Eric checked the panel and Bill's ass,Bill was in complete agreement with the exception of the Bill Cosby which is expected. Moreless, Bill doesn't have a true comprehension of the Black expereince.
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Well, he do date black women...lol

But on the real....If the truth hurts, just say ouch!! And put a band-aid on that mug!!!

Brotha' West]s statement has been said many times.....

All the past President's didn't give a damn about black folks..( and that includes old playboy Kennedy too)

And they never will...


Yeah the truth hurts....SO!!!!
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Reply #119 posted 09/04/05 12:50am

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MadameS said:


Let's make the distinction. After Eric checked the panel and Bill's ass,Bill was in complete agreement with the exception of the Bill Cosby which is expected. Moreless, Bill doesn't have a true comprehension of the Black expereince.
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Well, he do date black women...lol

Pill, Bill may date a sister but he has miles to go in order to understand the plight of the Black Experience and this is not shocking at all. I have heard from male friends of mine (who are Black) that date women of different races that they have observed similiar displays of ignorance. So, this isn't uncommon at all and indicates that we have a way to go in race relations and dispelling myths about Black Americans.
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