Nah, other people were brought on board at various times but he was still managing them, particularly Janet in 1984. Obviously Michael was the first to break business ties with Joseph. But just moving to Minneapolis was enough to get Joseph out of the picture completely.

Ellie said:

You had me thinkin' Janet broke out of Joseph's management before Michael

badujunkie said:

You got that right! That's the Janet I miss the most along with her take on the world. That's why Rhythm Nation and Velvet Rope are such great albums

If the next release is not slammin' I fear that we got the best she had with TVR or whatever album folks consider her best.

JackieBlue said:

I agree

JackieBlue said:

I totally agree with you. I just listened to all of Damita Jo for the first time yesterday and with the execption of a few songs, it was boring. She's got to talk about more than just how horny she is. Plus, there was way too much hip hop in this CD. She's got to get back to that hard hitting funk she was doing before. My 2 cents on the matter.

She had five good cds then it went downhill from there. It's just the same old thing. Sex, Sex, and more sex. People are getting sick of that plus she hasn't got much talent at all.

I suppose part of the sex thing is also the fact that she slammed Madonna for doing it in '92. And when Madonna did it she was in your face and would talk about what she was doing. Janet just acts like she doesn't know what the fuss is about when someone wants to bring it up and then giggles and shys away from it like she knows it's "naughty" but is enjoying the attention. It's been a good 12 years now so I think it's time to move on from being sexually liberated. We know you love sex, now masturbate strictly outside of the recording studio please.

Ellie said:

Exactly. She doesn't even seem confident and sure about her sexuality. I always got the impression that it was forced. It was sorta like "I'm free now and guess what? I like sex and let me show you how much I like sex. Oh yeah and by the way, I may or may not be bisexual or a lesbian depending on what mood I'm in but I'm most definitely a size queen, etc."

I wish she'd stop talking about f*ckin' and make some good music. At 39, it's so not cute.

Krytonite said:

Critics (well, not like music critics but haters) like to say that it was Jimmy and Terry that wrote all those songs. The years have shown that it's bullshit. Janet seemed to be a little less down to earth becuase of her past than even let's say a Madonna, but in interviews Janet always comes off as friendly, relatable and real (I love Madonna, but I just read an interview she did....I can't say the same thing about her). Janet is honest but also gaurded and I think that all evidence points to her being a singer/dancer by force, she really lives there now. Janet isn't just some pop star, she is a force. I believe she wrote all the songs she is given credit for (keep in mind, On RN, JImmy and Terry are given credit for writing songs without Janet as well) and the critcism isn't apt. She's made some of the best pop music of the past 20 years. Three cheers for Janet!

I think the MTV Icon special for Janet (around the release of AFY) really was the first time I saw a proper tribute. Janet is really important to dance, pop, and R&B music, especially in the video era, but never really was critically acclaimed.

chico4U said:

I love "Britney" (I only listen to about half of "Zone") but it's pretty much a retread to "All for You". Frankly, "All For You" is better because it's more honest and real while "Britney" is fluff lyrically.

Moonbeam said:

i'm sticking with my girl BRITNEY!!


and i forgot to mention my favourite song from "all for you"....."Trust A Try"

i think Janet needs to do a rock/dance album.
i.e.

trust a try
what about
black cat...

do i see a janet mix cd in my future???
[Edited 8/22/05 14:56pm]

VinnyM27 said:

watch your mouth. you're treading on thin ice!! you know damn well Janet was trying to be Britney in the all for you video!

chico4U said:

She wasn't trying 2 b Britney in that video, she was just trying 2 look like she and Britney went 2 high school 2gether.

chico4U said:

"Trust A Try" is my other favorite from that album.

npgmaverick said:

Moonbeam said:

now about that Britney album...

Rinluv said:

Yeah, because there's NEVER a Janet thread around here.....

VinnyM27 said:

NO. Janet, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis make up the force. Janet is nothing without them.

She gets plenty of props.

she has more awards than her biggest rival.

just lately people don't focus on that... cause she's tredding very close to being over. Same tour for 20 years same album for 12.

you have to realize your career is about over if ppl are saying Britney is better....

I was through with Janet Jackson beginning with the "Janet" album she put out after "Rhythm Nation" because of the hip hop vibe on that album. She definately needs to get back to the hard hitting funk.

She also pissed me off when she did her greatest hits album spanning from 1986-1996. There were some great songs on her first two albums that were moderate hits on the R&B charts but it's like she refused to acknowledge her first two albums because they didn't cross over.

Janet use to get her props but she hasn't been living up to expectations lately. A lot people tend to compare her fame to Madonna's and wonder why she's not as successful. If Janet brings back the funk she'll be O.K. And Shitney Spears' best effort couldn't touch Janet's worst CD. That girl is awful.

wonder505 said:

Fine but some people claim that it is only Jimmy and Terry. Not true!

vainandy said:

That was more to do with the switch of record labels than anything. That's why they only used a couple of songs from 'janet'. DOAD was just really the singles from 'Control' and 'RN1814'.

If that's the case, then she should have absolutely included songs from the first two albums because they were on A&M just like "Control" and "Rhythm Nation".

Oh, I didn't realise that. 'Don't Stand Another Chance' and 'Say You Do' were brilliant.

vainandy said:

Nothing can stop you!