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Thread started 07/25/05 12:33am

dancerella

Damn, I am loving the new White Stripes!

I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Anyone else dig it?
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Reply #1 posted 07/25/05 12:45am

Sdldawn

No not really....

This album was way too rushed... I know that was what they were obviously aiming for, for this paticular prodject.. but damn.. there isnt depth in these songs.. I love the home demo type albums.. like Paul McCartneys "McCartney" which was a rushed album, but kept its edgy appeal and had clever moments that made the album a breathe of fresh air compared to the over produced things that were floating around at the time..

I think Whites concepts are great for this album.. but doing something this spontanious leaves the album feeling week and gave it that "bottom of the barrel" quality. Its an albums worth of demos that arent worth their salt.. thats my opinion of it..

The first track is deliciously badass.. and they released it as their first single, which misled just about everyone including longtime fans that this album was gonna be in the same great heights as Blue Orchid.. very misleading...


Bottom line.. just go to iTunes and download their Blue Orchid for 99 cents.. it will save you 15 dollars of worthless material that should have been left as demos...



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[Edited 7/25/05 0:51am]
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Reply #2 posted 07/25/05 7:18am

pkidwell

I love it as well. And I couldn't really get into their last two but this one really shows off their talent. I'm now a fan.
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Reply #3 posted 07/25/05 7:46am

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It's okay but I'm not crazy about it. I was one that got fooled by Blue Orchid (which I was addicted to for awhile).
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #4 posted 07/25/05 8:00am

RipHer2Shreds

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It's okay but I'm not crazy about it. I was one that got fooled by Blue Orchid (which I was addicted to for awhile).

Same here. Blue Orchid is a great song, but it's not indicative of the rest of the album. I don't own the album, and I don't think that's going to change. I listened to it a few times when I was with my brother in FL. He likes them a lot more than I do, and he too was disappointed by this album.
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Reply #5 posted 07/25/05 12:50pm

pkidwell

I agree with this NY Times Review. Village Voice also loved it. So did Rolling Stone. And I love it becuase it won't get much radio play, except for that one song.

NY Times:
"It's an album so strong and so unexpected that it may change the way people hear all its predecessors. And that's just a start. Listen long enough, and this album might change the way you hear lots of other bands, too."
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Reply #6 posted 07/25/05 1:29pm

GangstaFam

I like it quite a bit and I'm only a casual fan.
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Reply #7 posted 07/25/05 1:44pm

dancerella

Sdldawn said:

No not really....

This album was way too rushed... I know that was what they were obviously aiming for, for this paticular prodject.. but damn.. there isnt depth in these songs.. I love the home demo type albums.. like Paul McCartneys "McCartney" which was a rushed album, but kept its edgy appeal and had clever moments that made the album a breathe of fresh air compared to the over produced things that were floating around at the time..

I think Whites concepts are great for this album.. but doing something this spontanious leaves the album feeling week and gave it that "bottom of the barrel" quality. Its an albums worth of demos that arent worth their salt.. thats my opinion of it..

The first track is deliciously badass.. and they released it as their first single, which misled just about everyone including longtime fans that this album was gonna be in the same great heights as Blue Orchid.. very misleading...


Bottom line.. just go to iTunes and download their Blue Orchid for 99 cents.. it will save you 15 dollars of worthless material that should have been left as demos...



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[Edited 7/25/05 0:51am]




Wow you really think it's weak? I'll agree with you that when I first heard Blue Orchid I was blown away and thought to myself I have to get this album. I was disapointed when I first heard it and thought the songs were too weak. After a few listens it slowly started growing on me and now I love it! Blue Orchis is a stand out track but there are some other gems as well.
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Reply #8 posted 07/25/05 2:02pm

Sdldawn

dancerella said:

Sdldawn said:

No not really....

This album was way too rushed... I know that was what they were obviously aiming for, for this paticular prodject.. but damn.. there isnt depth in these songs.. I love the home demo type albums.. like Paul McCartneys "McCartney" which was a rushed album, but kept its edgy appeal and had clever moments that made the album a breathe of fresh air compared to the over produced things that were floating around at the time..

I think Whites concepts are great for this album.. but doing something this spontanious leaves the album feeling week and gave it that "bottom of the barrel" quality. Its an albums worth of demos that arent worth their salt.. thats my opinion of it..

The first track is deliciously badass.. and they released it as their first single, which misled just about everyone including longtime fans that this album was gonna be in the same great heights as Blue Orchid.. very misleading...


Bottom line.. just go to iTunes and download their Blue Orchid for 99 cents.. it will save you 15 dollars of worthless material that should have been left as demos...



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Wow you really think it's weak? I'll agree with you that when I first heard Blue Orchid I was blown away and thought to myself I have to get this album. I was disapointed when I first heard it and thought the songs were too weak. After a few listens it slowly started growing on me and now I love it! Blue Orchis is a stand out track but there are some other gems as well.


I think its the fact that I listened to it and said to myself.. "damn, this sounds like they wrote and recorded in their first takes"

Then come to find out.. they basically did.. I just think there is more of a "spirit" in these songs that wasnt able to surface.. due to the acceleration of the recording process.. bad move in my opinion
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Reply #9 posted 07/25/05 3:28pm

javed

think of it as their Chaos and Disorder album!!. There really are some great tracks on it though, some of the slower, piano driven tracks are kinda Scissor Sistersish. It's a grower though, nice hear the piano leading this time though.
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Reply #10 posted 07/26/05 2:03pm

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I was iffy on it at first, but I like it more & more. Actually I think Blue Orchid is one of the weakest songs on there (other than Meg's song). All their music grows on you, and this record is no exception.

I think it was intended to be just another record, rather than the "much anticipated follow up to..." They must have felt the pressure.

It doesn't try too hard and it's not too long and there's not a bad song on it. The comparison to "McCartney" is apt, except that "McCartney" has much more filler.

"White Blood Cells" is still my favorite, followed by "...Satan," then "Di Stijl." I never loved "Elephant" as a whole for some reason, though it has some great stuff. Maybe it's too much of a mainstream big rock star album. Not the new album. It's very bold for them to have released something so sparse & simple at the moment they had the most attention.

I just caught their DVD "Under Black Pool Lights" I think it's called. It's excellent. I used to call for Meg's dismissal and for Jack to just get a real band, but seeing the concert you get a better sense of what they are doing. It's more like performance art than an actual band.
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Reply #11 posted 07/27/05 12:44am

dancerella

andyman91 said:

I was iffy on it at first, but I like it more & more. Actually I think Blue Orchid is one of the weakest songs on there (other than Meg's song). All their music grows on you, and this record is no exception.

I think it was intended to be just another record, rather than the "much anticipated follow up to..." They must have felt the pressure.

It doesn't try too hard and it's not too long and there's not a bad song on it. The comparison to "McCartney" is apt, except that "McCartney" has much more filler.

"White Blood Cells" is still my favorite, followed by "...Satan," then "Di Stijl." I never loved "Elephant" as a whole for some reason, though it has some great stuff. Maybe it's too much of a mainstream big rock star album. Not the new album. It's very bold for them to have released something so sparse & simple at the moment they had the most attention.




So you would recommend white blood cells? The only albums I own by them are Satan and Elephant.

I just caught their DVD "Under Black Pool Lights" I think it's called. It's excellent. I used to call for Meg's dismissal and for Jack to just get a real band, but seeing the concert you get a better sense of what they are doing. It's more like performance art than an actual band.
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Reply #12 posted 07/27/05 2:11am

acire

Sdldawn said:

dancerella said:





Wow you really think it's weak? I'll agree with you that when I first heard Blue Orchid I was blown away and thought to myself I have to get this album. I was disapointed when I first heard it and thought the songs were too weak. After a few listens it slowly started growing on me and now I love it! Blue Orchis is a stand out track but there are some other gems as well.


I think its the fact that I listened to it and said to myself.. "damn, this sounds like they wrote and recorded in their first takes"

Then come to find out.. they basically did.. I just think there is more of a "spirit" in these songs that wasnt able to surface.. due to the acceleration of the recording process.. bad move in my opinion



you wait...it'll be one of your favourites of theirs in a few years. juliana hatfield released a similar kind of album (in terms of starkness) a few years ago consisting of mostly first takes, no effects, etc which took only a week to record...at first i thought it was underproduced, etc...now i think of it as perhaps her best, least dated album (that album was "Bed"). i still haven't gotten around to listening to the whole of "get behind...", so i have to admit i haven't completely warmed up to it myself either, but i can tell from hearing 3/4 of it a few times that it's not a complete stinker.

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Reply #13 posted 07/27/05 3:21am

Raine

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Though I try my best to keep it
There really was no secret
Must have looked like I was dancing with the wall
No one else could see this apparition
But because of my condition
I fell in love with a little ghost and that was all

whistle

i like the album nod
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Reply #14 posted 07/27/05 3:21pm

Sdldawn

acire said:

Sdldawn said:



I think its the fact that I listened to it and said to myself.. "damn, this sounds like they wrote and recorded in their first takes"

Then come to find out.. they basically did.. I just think there is more of a "spirit" in these songs that wasnt able to surface.. due to the acceleration of the recording process.. bad move in my opinion



you wait...it'll be one of your favourites of theirs in a few years. juliana hatfield released a similar kind of album (in terms of starkness) a few years ago consisting of mostly first takes, no effects, etc which took only a week to record...at first i thought it was underproduced, etc...now i think of it as perhaps her best, least dated album (that album was "Bed"). i still haven't gotten around to listening to the whole of "get behind...", so i have to admit i haven't completely warmed up to it myself either, but i can tell from hearing 3/4 of it a few times that it's not a complete stinker.

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Well I certianly dont disregard that notion.. since most of my favorite music comes from disliking it at first glance.. but for right now.. this is still a demo half ass piece of work.

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Reply #15 posted 07/27/05 4:36pm

dancerella

Raine said:

Though I try my best to keep it
There really was no secret
Must have looked like I was dancing with the wall
No one else could see this apparition
But because of my condition
I fell in love with a little ghost and that was all

whistle

i like the album nod



that's my jam!
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Reply #16 posted 07/27/05 10:21pm

DiamondGirl

dancerella said:

I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Anyone else dig it?


I was baffled at first. Then disliked it. Now its brilliant. Jack is doin his thang and doing it well. I think I disliked it intially because the songs seem to be unfinished and just ideas and though heralded as recorded on the cheap, sounding like it as well. But dang me if overall and afterall this is pure inspiration and talent. Take! Take! take!
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Reply #17 posted 07/27/05 10:24pm

DiamondGirl

dancerella said:

Raine said:

Though I try my best to keep it
There really was no secret
Must have looked like I was dancing with the wall
No one else could see this apparition
But because of my condition
I fell in love with a little ghost and that was all

whistle

i like the album nod



that's my jam!


<--does a jig dance
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Reply #18 posted 07/28/05 12:42pm

andyman91

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dancerella said:

andyman91 said:

I was iffy on it at first, but I like it more & more. Actually I think Blue Orchid is one of the weakest songs on there (other than Meg's song). All their music grows on you, and this record is no exception.

I think it was intended to be just another record, rather than the "much anticipated follow up to..." They must have felt the pressure.

It doesn't try too hard and it's not too long and there's not a bad song on it. The comparison to "McCartney" is apt, except that "McCartney" has much more filler.

"White Blood Cells" is still my favorite, followed by "...Satan," then "Di Stijl." I never loved "Elephant" as a whole for some reason, though it has some great stuff. Maybe it's too much of a mainstream big rock star album. Not the new album. It's very bold for them to have released something so sparse & simple at the moment they had the most attention.

So you would recommend white blood cells? The only albums I own by them are Satan and Elephant.


Oh, yeah. I think that's full of some great songs, and it rocks a bit better than "Elephant" in my opinion.

The first two albums "The White Stripes" and "Di Stijl(De Stijl?)" are great too (particularly Di Stijl), but they're rougher recordings (particularly the White Stripes).
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Reply #19 posted 07/28/05 12:46pm

andyman91

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DiamondGirl said:

dancerella said:




that's my jam!


<--does a jig dance


"The first moment that I met her I did not expect a spectre must've looked like I was dancing with the wall..."

I love how I can listen to it all in one sitting. Leaves me wanting more instead of me leaving bored.
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Reply #20 posted 07/28/05 1:36pm

DiamondGirl

andyman91 said:

DiamondGirl said:



<--does a jig dance


"The first moment that I met her I did not expect a spectre must've looked like I was dancing with the wall..."

I love how I can listen to it all in one sitting. Leaves me wanting more instead of me leaving bored.


Same here. It's short enough and eclectic enough to not be bored with it.

"come on get wiht it..." Instinct Blues.


This is a great, great record.
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Reply #21 posted 07/29/05 10:27am

andyman91

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DiamondGirl said:

andyman91 said:



"The first moment that I met her I did not expect a spectre must've looked like I was dancing with the wall..."

I love how I can listen to it all in one sitting. Leaves me wanting more instead of me leaving bored.


Same here. It's short enough and eclectic enough to not be bored with it.

"come on get wiht it..." Instinct Blues.


This is a great, great record.


"kept its edgy appeal and had clever moments that made the album a breathe of fresh air compared to the over produced things that were floating around at the time.."

This quote from SDLDAWN is about the album "McCartney" as opposed to "Satan" but it describes "Satan" as well. There's nothing around today that sounds so intimate and casual, yet it's not sloppy. Even the U2 record, which is pretty basic stuff, sounds way over-produced. Everything you hear on the White Stripes record is how it would sound if they were at home playing just for themselves.
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Reply #22 posted 07/30/05 12:55am

Sdldawn

andyman91 said:

DiamondGirl said:



Same here. It's short enough and eclectic enough to not be bored with it.

"come on get wiht it..." Instinct Blues.


This is a great, great record.


"kept its edgy appeal and had clever moments that made the album a breathe of fresh air compared to the over produced things that were floating around at the time.."

This quote from SDLDAWN is about the album "McCartney" as opposed to "Satan" but it describes "Satan" as well. There's nothing around today that sounds so intimate and casual, yet it's not sloppy. Even the U2 record, which is pretty basic stuff, sounds way over-produced. Everything you hear on the White Stripes record is how it would sound if they were at home playing just for themselves.


Regarding your last statement.. perhaps.. but their intention was to record half baked goods on a whim..its nothing but a demo disk.. to me at least. All I was saying is that the emotion and sound (that could have still sounded raw) seems to me that they hold more than what they recorded.. its selling themselves short to me.

Yes, I understand I compared both albums... I am assuming I shouldnt have.. since McCartney played every instrument, and the songs he did record (no matter how weak some may sound) have been laying around with him for YEARS before it was recorded.. (Thats a fact) These things mean more to me.. considering he put a better more thought out effort than the.. what.. 2 week recording of Satan?


All in all, they obviously were trying to achieve the same concept.. I just prefer one than the other.. for different reasons.. cheers to anyone enjoyin this.. they accomplished their goal if people enjoy it.
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Reply #23 posted 07/30/05 3:46am

MrVortex

Enjoying too.

As an album that hits you straight away its no match up to their last two previous efforts.

Buts its still brilliant. A real confusing and choatic ,yet nevrtheless damn rewarding, listen at times that seems to stretch the band's very imposed definitions.

Still, I don't think it will ever be a choesive whole of an album even after repeated listens. i.e. unlike white blood cells you won't be able to put it on and let it play straight through whenever you damn feel like.

oh, and for the kid that wanted recommendations: Buy WHITE BLOOD CELLS!!! Great record that has such great light and dark momements.Its worth the moeny just for 'I can't wait' and 'The Union"!!!
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Reply #24 posted 08/02/05 5:22pm

DiamondGirl

MrVortex said:

Still, I don't think it will ever be a choesive whole of an album even after repeated listens. i.e. unlike white blood cells you won't be able to put it on and let it play straight through whenever you damn feel like.



I do

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Reply #25 posted 08/02/05 5:27pm

eugnj420

GangstaFam said:

I like it quite a bit and I'm only a casual fan.


co-sign! biggrin
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Reply #26 posted 08/02/05 11:58pm

dancerella

DiamondGirl said:

dancerella said:

I just wanted to get that off my chest.

Anyone else dig it?


I was baffled at first. Then disliked it. Now its brilliant. Jack is doin his thang and doing it well. I think I disliked it intially because the songs seem to be unfinished and just ideas and though heralded as recorded on the cheap, sounding like it as well. But dang me if overall and afterall this is pure inspiration and talent. Take! Take! take!


I felt the same way about this album at first too but now I love it. Take take take is my other jam by the way.

So is Jack White a genius?
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Reply #27 posted 08/03/05 8:37am

MsMisha319

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For some reason, I have to listen to their albums a bunch of times before I can really like it. I love Blue Orchid, but the rest of the album has to grow on me. I didn't like Elephant for about a year after I bought it shrug

Smooches;)
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Reply #28 posted 08/03/05 9:02am

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I love it!
I respect Jack White for just doing his thing and not worrying about keeping up with the jones's.right on for him!
A breath of fresh air in a music buisiness filled with emo "rock" and hip-hop.
Hat's off to White Stripes! cool
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Reply #29 posted 08/03/05 9:33am

Hotlegs

wallysafford said:

I love it!
I respect Jack White for just doing his thing and not worrying about keeping up with the jones's.right on for him!
A breath of fresh air in a music buisiness filled with emo "rock" and hip-hop.
Hat's off to White Stripes! cool

nod Agreed. His muscial style is indeed unique and innovative.
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