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PrintableAntonioFargas said: TheCrucialExperience said: LOL! I'm STILL waiting on YOU to tell me what did Kool & The Gang have to do with D' sounding like Prince?  My response to you was in regards to the song Send it On. The entire song was a replayed version of Kool & the Gang's "Sea of Tranquility" ...a falsetto voice and a few howls doesn't always make a carbon copy of Prince. [Edited 8/9/05 23:13pm] Ok, cool. Nwo was that so hard to clear up, dawg? LOL! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: My response to you was in regards to the song Send it On. The entire song was a replayed version of Kool & the Gang's "Sea of Tranquility" ...a falsetto voice and a few howls doesn't always make a carbon copy of Prince. [Edited 8/9/05 23:13pm] Ok, cool. Nwo was that so hard to clear up, dawg? LOL! I was kinda hoping you'd look it up or check out a sample of the original.  | |
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Meloh9 said: Hotlegs said:  Exactly.I'm glad somebody is paying homage to Prince, or stealing from him or whatever, better than all this other BS out these days, same with Andre 3000, he did the song Spread in the Camille voice, and they both openly acknowledge Prince as a influence. These artists keep the torch lit and they introduce these influences to a whole other generation of listeners. Prince sounds like Sly on all my dreams, he sounds like Sly on Make Yo Ma Ma Happy and like George Clinton and Sly on Erotic City, I got into sly and George Clinton because of Prince. I know a lot of people who started listening to Prince because of D’Angelo and OutKast. So if we are going to condemn people for sounding like their influences, then we should not be Prince fans. HouseQuake, Sexy MF and Musicology... James Brown, Reflection... Joni Mitchell.. On The Couch sounds a lot like Sly and The Family Stones cover of Que. Sera Sera So What? Who Cares? It’s still good. Just like Africa is still a good song. Maggot Brain is very Hendrix esq ( damn good ) some folks influences show, I have no problem whatsoever with D being influenced by P. In fact, I think he should have gone further with it (the live version of "Chicken Grease" I mentioned earlier sounded MUCH more like SOTT era Prince than the album version). My problem with D was doing a mediocre album, and then trying to act like HIS music is the kind of thing P should be doing. He made all these arrogant statements about how Voodoo was his audition to produce Prince, since P was making rather weak records. While Prince's albums at the time were rather lackluster, I don't think Voodoo was any better (in fact, I find it on a level with New Power Soul, personally). D'Angelo's influeneces were what initially interested me in his music. I loved the tidbits of P, Sly, James Brown and Stevie that I heard on Brown Sugar, and I thought he did an excellent job of mixing those influences into a fresh brew on that album. When I saw him live on the tour for that disc, I was impressed with his Old School musicianship, combined with his fresh take on that sound. Live, he reminded me much more of Stevie Wonder than P, and I really dug that. I just have to make it clear that I don't dislike D'Angelo at all. I think the guy has enormous potential, but he isn't as great as he thinks he is. He's done one fantastic album, and one horrible one. Whether or not he lives up to his potential has yet to be seen. There is NOTHING wrong with him wearing his influences on his sleeve, but he needs to remember that he isn't greater than those who inspired him. As arrogant as Prince can be, I've never heard him try to claim that he knew better than James, Sly, Larry or Carlos. He's done nothing but give those guys respect and props. D'Angelo would be well served to do the same. 
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JediMaster said: My problem with D was doing a mediocre album, and then trying to act like HIS music is the kind of thing P should be doing. He made all these arrogant statements about how Voodoo was his audition to produce Prince, since P was making rather weak records.
Voodoo's liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. (however hurtful they may have seemed, I think they were on point. Prince's next follow-up was the neo-soulful Rainbow Children.) The only thing D'Angelo wrote were his thank yous. | |
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AntonioFargas said: TheCrucialExperience said: Ok, cool. Nwo was that so hard to clear up, dawg? LOL! I was kinda hoping you'd look it up or check out a sample of the original. Not when I didn't know where you were going with it! LOL! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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AntonioFargas said: JediMaster said: My problem with D was doing a mediocre album, and then trying to act like HIS music is the kind of thing P should be doing. He made all these arrogant statements about how Voodoo was his audition to produce Prince, since P was making rather weak records.
Voodoo's liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. (however hurtful they may have seemed, I think they were on point. Prince's next follow-up was the neo-soulful Rainbow Children.) The only thing D'Angelo wrote were his thank yous. Yeah, Saul wrote it, but you can't possibly sit up here and say that D' didn't read the liner notes BEFORE they went to print. D' OBVIOSULY signed-off on the liner notes so he obviously agrees with what Saul said, and probably fakes the funk and co-wrote it WITH Saul. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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JediMaster said: Meloh9 said: I'm glad somebody is paying homage to Prince, or stealing from him or whatever, better than all this other BS out these days, same with Andre 3000, he did the song Spread in the Camille voice, and they both openly acknowledge Prince as a influence. These artists keep the torch lit and they introduce these influences to a whole other generation of listeners. Prince sounds like Sly on all my dreams, he sounds like Sly on Make Yo Ma Ma Happy and like George Clinton and Sly on Erotic City, I got into sly and George Clinton because of Prince. I know a lot of people who started listening to Prince because of D’Angelo and OutKast. So if we are going to condemn people for sounding like their influences, then we should not be Prince fans. HouseQuake, Sexy MF and Musicology... James Brown, Reflection... Joni Mitchell.. On The Couch sounds a lot like Sly and The Family Stones cover of Que. Sera Sera So What? Who Cares? It’s still good. Just like Africa is still a good song. Maggot Brain is very Hendrix esq ( damn good ) some folks influences show, I have no problem whatsoever with D being influenced by P. In fact, I think he should have gone further with it (the live version of "Chicken Grease" I mentioned earlier sounded MUCH more like SOTT era Prince than the album version). My problem with D was doing a mediocre album, and then trying to act like HIS music is the kind of thing P should be doing. He made all these arrogant statements about how Voodoo was his audition to produce Prince, since P was making rather weak records. While Prince's albums at the time were rather lackluster, I don't think Voodoo was any better (in fact, I find it on a level with New Power Soul, personally). D'Angelo's influeneces were what initially interested me in his music. I loved the tidbits of P, Sly, James Brown and Stevie that I heard on Brown Sugar, and I thought he did an excellent job of mixing those influences into a fresh brew on that album. When I saw him live on the tour for that disc, I was impressed with his Old School musicianship, combined with his fresh take on that sound. Live, he reminded me much more of Stevie Wonder than P, and I really dug that. I just have to make it clear that I don't dislike D'Angelo at all. I think the guy has enormous potential, but he isn't as great as he thinks he is. He's done one fantastic album, and one horrible one. Whether or not he lives up to his potential has yet to be seen. There is NOTHING wrong with him wearing his influences on his sleeve, but he needs to remember that he isn't greater than those who inspired him. As arrogant as Prince can be, I've never heard him try to claim that he knew better than James, Sly, Larry or Carlos. He's done nothing but give those guys respect and props. D'Angelo would be well served to do the same. I was just responding to someone who said Africa ripped the drums from I Wonder U, Voo Doo on the same level as New Power Soul?  | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: Voodoo's liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. (however hurtful they may have seemed, I think they were on point. Prince's next follow-up was the neo-soulful Rainbow Children.) The only thing D'Angelo wrote were his thank yous. Yeah, Saul wrote it, but you can't possibly sit up here and say that D' didn't read the liner notes BEFORE they went to print. D' OBVIOSULY signed-off on the liner notes so he obviously agrees with what Saul said, and probably fakes the funk and co-wrote it WITH Saul. I'm sure he did. My point is that you can't pass those off as D'Angelo's statements. The liner notes said more to bash music in general then they did solely to Prince. I really don't think a lot of yall read the liners carefully. He may say one or two things that would probably hurt Prince's feelings but he says just enough in them to give Prince the respect he's due as an artist and musician. Besides it's not like they were written solely about Prince. He also attacks Hip-hop, and ironically for this thread folks who were wanting Brown Sugar part 2. The most critical statement in the whole set of notes was this: ...over the years, I've sat in countless conversations about why it is that the Artist puts out half the shit he does (you know the half I'm talking about) is because he lacks any new inspiration. Once again an artist is faced with the reality of having to serve as their own inspiration after they have worn out all of their Sly, Jimi, Marvin, and Stevie.
That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... | |
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AntonioFargas said:[quote] TheCrucialExperience said: I'm sure he did. My point is that you can't pass those off as D'Angelo's statements. The liner notes said more to bash music in general then they did solely to Prince. I really don't think a lot of yall read the liners carefully. He may say one or two things that would probably hurt Prince's feelings but he says just enough in them to give Prince the respect he's due as an artist and musician. Besides it's not like they were written solely about Prince. He also attacks Hip-hop, and ironically for this thread folks who were wanting Brown Sugar part 2. The most critical statement in the whole set of notes was this: ...over the years, I've sat in countless conversations about why it is that the Artist puts out half the shit he does (you know the half I'm talking about) is because he lacks any new inspiration. Once again an artist is faced with the reality of having to serve as their own inspiration after they have worn out all of their Sly, Jimi, Marvin, and Stevie.
That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... Yeah, but the bottomline is - D' IS STILL A NEOPHYTE AT THAT POINT, so he needed to shut the fuck up in trying to diss ANYONE that had been in the game longer than his ass was idiotic and egotistical for no reason. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... Yeah, but the bottomline is - D' IS STILL A NEOPHYTE AT THAT POINT, so he needed to shut the fuck up in trying to diss ANYONE that had been in the game longer than his ass was idiotic and egotistical for no reason. Whether he approved it for printing or not... Those were not D'Angelo' words. If he was really trying to disrespect do you think he would've titled song after a Prince colloquism? The majority of the Voodoo tour was based around the Parade and Sign O' the Times tours. Does that sound like disrespect? Besides what's the difference between D's opinion and anyone else on this site. What...because he's got only two albums under his belt that makes him less qualified to have an opinion on Prince's music. Folks on this site got zero albums and talk way more shit
It's obvious that D'Angelo is a major Prince fan. Can you honestly say the material James Brown has released in the last 20 years is anywhere on par with the shit he released in in the 50s, 60s, and 70s? I know the truth hurts but come on now  | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... Yeah, but the bottomline is - D' IS STILL A NEOPHYTE AT THAT POINT, so he needed to shut the fuck up in trying to diss ANYONE that had been in the game longer than his ass was idiotic and egotistical for no reason. at the same time don't you think it takes balls to say HELLO YOU ARE MAKING SHIT LIKE NEW POWER SOUL? I mean we can say things like that on the org? So if you were a artist and you had a album out, would alter your public statements not to offend P, or would you just keep it real? | |
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AntonioFargas said: TheCrucialExperience said: Yeah, but the bottomline is - D' IS STILL A NEOPHYTE AT THAT POINT, so he needed to shut the fuck up in trying to diss ANYONE that had been in the game longer than his ass was idiotic and egotistical for no reason. Whether he approved it for printing or not... Those were not D'Angelo' words. If he was really trying to disrespect do you think he would've titled song after a Prince colloquism? The majority of the Voodoo tour was based around the Parade and Sign O' the Times tours. Does that sound like disrespect? Besides what's the difference between D's opinion and anyone else on this site. What...because he's got only two albums under his belt that makes him less qualified to have an opinion on Prince's music. Folks on this site got zero albums and talk way more shit
It's obvious that D'Angelo is a major Prince fan. Can you honestly say the material James Brown has released in the last 20 years is anywhere on par with the shit he released in in the 50s, 60s, and 70s? I know the truth hurts but come on now Why do you KEEP saying "It's Saul's words" but it's on D'ANGELO'S ALBUM? "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Meloh9 said: TheCrucialExperience said: Yeah, but the bottomline is - D' IS STILL A NEOPHYTE AT THAT POINT, so he needed to shut the fuck up in trying to diss ANYONE that had been in the game longer than his ass was idiotic and egotistical for no reason. at the same time don't you think it takes balls to say HELLO YOU ARE MAKING SHIT LIKE NEW POWER SOUL? I mean we can say things like that on the org? So if you were a artist and you had a album out, would alter your public statements not to offend P, or would you just keep it real? LOL! Dude, WE'RE THE FUCKING ORG! Not IN THE MUSIC BIZ! AND CERTAINLY NOT CUTTING DOWN A LEGEND IN WHICH HE PATTERNS HIS MUSIC AFTER! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Sorry, but before you start calling out other artists, ESPECIALLY LEGENDS, you need to have earned ya stripes. Period. D' hadn't earned SHIT at that point. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Meloh9 said: at the same time don't you think it takes balls to say HELLO YOU ARE MAKING SHIT LIKE NEW POWER SOUL? I mean we can say things like that on the org? So if you were a artist and you had a album out, would alter your public statements not to offend P, or would you just keep it real? LOL! Dude, WE'RE THE FUCKING ORG! Not IN THE MUSIC BIZ! AND CERTAINLY NOT CUTTING DOWN A LEGEND IN WHICH HE PATTERNS HIS MUSIC AFTER! People on the org ( his fans ) cut him down, I don't think D was cutting Prince down by saying that Prince had to be his own inspiration and that he sounds bored, Prince did sound bored around that time. | |
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AntonioFargas said:[quote] TheCrucialExperience said: I'm sure he did. My point is that you can't pass those off as D'Angelo's statements. The liner notes said more to bash music in general then they did solely to Prince. I really don't think a lot of yall read the liners carefully. He may say one or two things that would probably hurt Prince's feelings but he says just enough in them to give Prince the respect he's due as an artist and musician. Besides it's not like they were written solely about Prince. He also attacks Hip-hop, and ironically for this thread folks who were wanting Brown Sugar part 2. The most critical statement in the whole set of notes was this: ...over the years, I've sat in countless conversations about why it is that the Artist puts out half the shit he does (you know the half I'm talking about) is because he lacks any new inspiration. Once again an artist is faced with the reality of having to serve as their own inspiration after they have worn out all of their Sly, Jimi, Marvin, and Stevie.
That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... I think the issue then was that D was being hailed as the "new Prince" and that he was putting out the music Prince should have been releasing. The liner notes just added fuel to the fire for some prince fans that weren't convinced that D'angelo himself (or through someone elses words) should be acting like he'd been in the game for more than a nano second. The fact that he's a huge fan of Prince, et., al. is irrelevant. And looking back on Saul's (and some fans) comments at that time it looks even more obnoxious since D has gotten more press for 1) being bucknaked in a video, 2) gaining 30 pounds, 3) getting arrested on DUI and possession charges, and 4) allegedly spitting on some girl at a gas station than actually releasing albums. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: Whether he approved it for printing or not... Those were not D'Angelo' words. If he was really trying to disrespect do you think he would've titled song after a Prince colloquism? The majority of the Voodoo tour was based around the Parade and Sign O' the Times tours. Does that sound like disrespect? Besides what's the difference between D's opinion and anyone else on this site. What...because he's got only two albums under his belt that makes him less qualified to have an opinion on Prince's music. Folks on this site got zero albums and talk way more shit
It's obvious that D'Angelo is a major Prince fan. Can you honestly say the material James Brown has released in the last 20 years is anywhere on par with the shit he released in in the 50s, 60s, and 70s? I know the truth hurts but come on now Why do you KEEP saying "It's Saul's words" but it's on D'ANGELO'S ALBUM? Maybe I'm just old... but I remember reading the liner notes in the sleeves of those big black 12" cds and the majority of the time they were written by people other than the artists because they were commissioned to do so. I didn't know that the artist had to endorse what was said 100%. But whatever, my points keep getting missed because I really don't care who wrote it. What was said was on point. Whether it was said by a young buck who hadn't "earned his stripes" or by somebody sitting at a computer with nothing else better to do, what was said was true. Beyond that it's not truly the "diss" that you are making it out to be. It just seems like somebody's being waaay too sensitive about it. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: AntonioFargas said: That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... I think the issue then was that D was being hailed as the "new Prince" and that he was putting out the music Prince should have been releasing. The liner notes just added fuel to the fire for some prince fans that weren't convinced that D'angelo himself (or through someone elses words) should be acting like he'd been in the game for more than a nano second. The fact that he's a huge fan of Prince, et., al. is irrelevant. And looking back on Saul's (and some fans) comments at that time it looks even more obnoxious since D has gotten more press for 1) being bucknaked in a video, 2) gaining 30 pounds, 3) getting arrested on DUI and possession charges, and 4) allegedly spitting on some girl at a gas station than actually releasing albums. Critics hailed D'Angelo as the second coming of Prince not D'Angelo. I think that's the main reason Prince was brought up in the liners in the first place: to show that they influence is there but he's not trying to be the second coming of Prince. Would those comments have been received better from James Brown or Little Richard who'd both been in the game before Prince was born? I don't think so. So how ever many years D'Angelo had been in the business (6 at the time) is what's irrelevant. It seems to boil down to a "self-righteous" switch that Prince fans seem to turn on and off whenever it's convenient for them. I'm still not seeing where any of those words were an attack on Prince. I'm too lazy to type out the complete liner notes so somebody look them up and tell me. Not once in the liners did I see anything of a personal level mentioned so I don't understand what the DUIs, weight gain and drug charges have to do with anything. Also... what also trips me out is what you say this in the Kevin Smith thread. You said: I don't think that just because he is/used to be a Prince fan that people shouldn't be able to criticize him.
yet now the liner note comments seem even more obnoxious? Kevin Smith hasn't had a hit movie since when? Yet he's preparing to dish out more dirt on Prince for his next DVD? Which sounds more obnoxious? [Edited 8/10/05 11:30am] | |
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AntonioFargas said: TheCrucialExperience said: Why do you KEEP saying "It's Saul's words" but it's on D'ANGELO'S ALBUM? Maybe I'm just old... but I remember reading the liner notes in the sleeves of those big black 12" cds and the majority of the time they were written by people other than the artists because they were commissioned to do so. I didn't know that the artist had to endorse what was said 100%. But whatever, my points keep getting missed because I really don't care who wrote it. What was said was on point. Whether it was said by a young buck who hadn't "earned his stripes" or by somebody sitting at a computer with nothing else better to do, what was said was true. Beyond that it's not truly the "diss" that you are making it out to be. It just seems like somebody's being waaay too sensitive about it. Well, maybe your old and senile, dawg...because if you think they commision people to write liner notes and the artist has NO SAY in it, then check into Bellvue. And far from being sensitive, it's not that deep, I just find it funny how a new jack can come on the scene poppin' yang at a legend. Makes no sense. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: Maybe I'm just old... but I remember reading the liner notes in the sleeves of those big black 12" cds and the majority of the time they were written by people other than the artists because they were commissioned to do so. I didn't know that the artist had to endorse what was said 100%. But whatever, my points keep getting missed because I really don't care who wrote it. What was said was on point. Whether it was said by a young buck who hadn't "earned his stripes" or by somebody sitting at a computer with nothing else better to do, what was said was true. Beyond that it's not truly the "diss" that you are making it out to be. It just seems like somebody's being waaay too sensitive about it. Well, maybe your old and senile, dawg...because if you think they commision people to write liner notes and the artist has NO SAY in it, then check into Bellvue. And far from being sensitive, it's not that deep, I just find it funny how a new jack can come on the scene poppin' yang at a legend. Makes no sense. Like I says, grab your copy of the liners and point it out to me. I just don't see it what's so offensive about it if it was true. I don't think you can admit that it was true. | |
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AntonioFargas said:[quote] Ifsixwuz9 said: Critics hailed D'Angelo as the second coming of Prince not D'Angelo. I think that's the main reason Prince was brought up in the liners in the first place: to show that they influence is there but he's not trying to be the second coming of Prince. Would those comments have been received better from James Brown or Little Richard who'd both been in the game before Prince was born? I don't think so. So how ever many years D'Angelo had been in the business (6 at the time) is what's irrelevant. It seems to boil down to a "self-righteous" switch that Prince fans seem to turn on and off whenever it's convenient for them. I'm still not seeing where any of those words were an attack on Prince. I'm too lazy to type out the complete liner notes so somebody look them up and tell me. Not once in the liners did I see anything of a personal level mentioned so I don't understand what the DUIs, weight gain and drug charges have to do with anything. Also... what also trips me out is what you say this in the Kevin Smith thread. You said: I don't think that just because he is/used to be a Prince fan that people shouldn't be able to criticize him.
yet now the liner note comments seem even more obnoxious? Kevin Smith hasn't had a hit movie since when? Yet he's preparing to dish out more dirt on Prince for his next DVD? Which sounds more obnoxious? [Edited 8/10/05 11:30am] Here's the thing. I never said D said he was the second coming or that D said that he said he was making the music that prince should be, so I don't know where you're coming from on that point. The fact of the matter is D was still a relatively a new artist (two albums in 5 years). I don't care how long he'd technically been in the biz. He was still wet behind the ears so to speak. And yes had, the remarks been made by legends James Brown and Little Richard they would have been more appropriate. The issue with the DUI's and such is just an aside the to fact that looking back on the comments made by Saul (and sanctioned by D as far as I'm concerned) is that the gun was being jumped in a big way. He's gotten way more press for things other than creating music. And Regarding my comments about Kevin Smith: it would have been nice if you quoted my entire statement as this is taken out of context. Furthermore, it's an apples and oranges situation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: AntonioFargas said: yet now the liner note comments seem even more obnoxious? Kevin Smith hasn't had a hit movie since when? Yet he's preparing to dish out more dirt on Prince for his next DVD? Which sounds more obnoxious? [Edited 8/10/05 11:30am] Here's the thing. I never said D said he was the second coming or that D said that he said he was making the music that prince should be, so I don't know where you're coming from on that point. The fact of the matter is D was still a relatively a new artist (two albums in 5 years). I don't care how long he'd technically been in the biz. He was still wet behind the ears so to speak. And yes had, the remarks been made by legends James Brown and Little Richard they would have been more appropriate. Be serious now. If in 2000 James Brown or Little Richard had uttered the exact same words against Prince, conversely the majority of folks would be bitching about "has beens who haven't had a hit in years don't have the right ... etc. etc." Regarding my comments about Kevin Smith: it would have been nice if you quoted my entire statement as this is taken out of context. Furthermore, it's an apples and oranges situation.
Okay here's the entire text: you said: But back to the topic at hand, I don't think that just because he is/used to be a Prince fan that people shouldn't be able to criticize him. And it seems that some of his hardcore fans tend to feel that everyone should kiss his ass. Sort of like the Prince fans that think he can do no wrong.
Full text, you're still contradicting yourself. My whole point revolves around that quote. Whether I typed the entire statement or not... the man is entitled to his opinion... wasn't that basically the premise of your statement? No apples nor oranges about it. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said:[quote] AntonioFargas said: I think the issue then was that D was being hailed as the "new Prince" and that he was putting out the music Prince should have been releasing. The liner notes just added fuel to the fire for some prince fans that weren't convinced that D'angelo himself (or through someone elses words) should be acting like he'd been in the game for more than a nano second. The fact that he's a huge fan of Prince, et., al. is irrelevant. what exactly does that mean? | |
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AntonioFargas said:[quote] Ifsixwuz9 said: Okay here's the entire text: you said: But back to the topic at hand, I don't think that just because he is/used to be a Prince fan that people shouldn't be able to criticize him. And it seems that some of his hardcore fans tend to feel that everyone should kiss his ass. Sort of like the Prince fans that think he can do no wrong.
Full text, you're still contradicting yourself. My whole point revolves around that quote. Whether I typed the entire statement or not... the man is entitled to his opinion... wasn't that basically the premise of your statement? No apples nor oranges about it. Actually no, that is not what I was getting at.
With regard to JB and Little Ritchard, again no. What the "fams" think of JB and Little Richard's careers for the last 30 years is irrelevant. The point is they have paid their dues ten times over in the music biz and are pioneers. D had not and is not. . [Edited 8/10/05 16:23pm] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Scrapluv said:[quote] Ifsixwuz9 said: AntonioFargas said: I think the issue then was that D was being hailed as the "new Prince" and that he was putting out the music Prince should have been releasing. The liner notes just added fuel to the fire for some prince fans that weren't convinced that D'angelo himself (or through someone elses words) should be acting like he'd been in the game for more than a nano second. The fact that he's a huge fan of Prince, et., al. is irrelevant. what exactly does that mean? Basically, when Voodoo came out a bunch of fans were saying that the type of music D was putting out is the type of music Prince should have been releasing instead of "Rave" and all the other stuff Prince been doing since 1996 or so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Scrapluv said: what exactly does that mean? Basically, when Voodoo came out a bunch of fans were saying that the type of music D was putting out is the type of music Prince should have been releasing instead of "Rave" and all the other stuff Prince been doing since 1996 or so. i agree. then came TRC | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: AntonioFargas said: That's as harsh as it gets. But you can't tell me that at the time it wasn't true. And that would apply to many other legends besides Prince as well. I don't know if it's the self-righteousness in Prince fans that cause them to get so riled up over that statement. But it seems to me they'd be a lot better off defending him in threads like this one rather than go on and on about the Voodoo liner notes... Yeah, but the bottomline is - D' IS STILL A NEOPHYTE AT THAT POINT, so he needed to shut the fuck up in trying to diss ANYONE that had been in the game longer than his ass was idiotic and egotistical for no reason.  | |
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Scrapluv said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Basically, when Voodoo came out a bunch of fans were saying that the type of music D was putting out is the type of music Prince should have been releasing instead of "Rave" and all the other stuff Prince been doing since 1996 or so. i agree. then came TRC Man, they don't hear you... 
TRC woulda never happened if somebody hadn't given him that inspiration again. [Edited 8/10/05 21:46pm] | |
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AntonioFargas said: Scrapluv said: i agree. then came TRC Man, they don't hear you...
TRC woulda never happened if somebody hadn't given him that inspiration again. [Edited 8/10/05 21:46pm] TRC was a complete answer record due to Voodoo. Voodoo lit a fire under Princes' ass. Which is weird because he was inspired (or fired...up) by someone aping HIM circa Parade/SOTT era. | |
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DiamondGirl said: AntonioFargas said: Man, they don't hear you...
TRC woulda never happened if somebody hadn't given him that inspiration again. [Edited 8/10/05 21:46pm] TRC was a complete answer record due to Voodoo. Voodoo lit a fire under Princes' ass. Which is weird because he was inspired (or fired...up) by someone aping HIM circa Parade/SOTT era. I agree that TRC is an answer to it.. but I don't think Voodoo was enough. I dig TRC and Its one of prince's best records in years.. but honestly, It lacks. but yes, Its a definant answer to Voodoo.. | |
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