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Reply #60 posted 08/06/05 1:31pm

Hotlegs

AntonioFargas said:

Sdldawn said:

I think the reasons I dig this album is the amount of time it took for me to understand it.. and I never once considered it boaring.. it was an abstract soul sound I've never really heard.. most of the stuff I have/heard are too locked into the structure of the ways of the past soul/pop or whatever.. the forumlas thats been here. Not thats a bad thing.. but D dropped his debut album.. and then came out with this experimental disk that pretty much would turn the mass away from it..

I think the fact that he didnt release an album like the brown sugar is what turns alot of people off.. they were craving more of that style from him, and suprisingly D stuck to his guns and released a whopper of an album.. for many to appreciate.. I appreciated the eclectic definitions he presents in his music (Voodoo).. it wasn't your ordinary walk in the park.



Does the LP sound like a Prince imitation to you? I know personally, I hear touches of Prince in 4 songs only: Left & Right, Chicken Grease, Untitled and Africa.

Those 4 songs were enough as far as I was concerned. His debut album had more orginality and substance and that's my take.
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Reply #61 posted 08/06/05 1:49pm

AntonioFargas

TheCrucialExperience said:[quote]

AntonioFargas said:




This is what

YOU typed:

The fact that Voodoo is an album that is still worthy of discussion after 5 years should leave you open to believe that maybe the album isn't as bad as you think it is.


Now, I can name about 50 albums that people STILL talk about TODAY from 5-50 years ago that ARE CRAP. THAT was my point: Discussing an album doesn't make it "A CLASSIC" nor "NOT AS BAD AS ONE THINKS IT IS."

Just because people still talk about VooDoo TODAY, 5 years later, IN NO WAY DOES THAT MEAN IT "COULD" BE A CLASSIC OR ISN'T "AS BAD AS ONE THINKS IT IS."

Your statement was false. F-A-L-S-E. Because it makes no sense. Case closed.
[Edited 8/6/05 13:29pm]


Okay, you're definitely right about that. Somebody somewhere probably thinks Plastic Ono Band is God's gift to music. But once again music is all relative... different strokes for different folks. I think we can at least agree on that.

However, I still stand behind the premise that time will be the factor in what makes the album classic. There will always be folks out there who don't like albums like Bitches Brew, There's A Riot Goin' On, or The Hissing Of Summer Lawns but it still doesn't keep them from being classic albums whether they enjoy them or not. I don't like Thriller but there's no way I could deny that it's a classic album.
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Reply #62 posted 08/06/05 2:52pm

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AntonioFargas said:

TheCrucialExperience said:



Now, I can name about 50 albums that people STILL talk about TODAY from 5-50 years ago that ARE CRAP. THAT was my point: Discussing an album doesn't make it "A CLASSIC" nor "NOT AS BAD AS ONE THINKS IT IS."

Just because people still talk about VooDoo TODAY, 5 years later, IN NO WAY DOES THAT MEAN IT "COULD" BE A CLASSIC OR ISN'T "AS BAD AS ONE THINKS IT IS."

Your statement was false. F-A-L-S-E. Because it makes no sense. Case closed.
[Edited 8/6/05 13:29pm]


Okay, you're definitely right about that. Somebody somewhere probably thinks Plastic Ono Band is God's gift to music. But once again music is all relative... different strokes for different folks. I think we can at least agree on that.

However, I still stand behind the premise that time will be the factor in what makes the album classic. There will always be folks out there who don't like albums like Bitches Brew, There's A Riot Goin' On, or The Hissing Of Summer Lawns but it still doesn't keep them from being classic albums whether they enjoy them or not. I don't like Thriller but there's no way I could deny that it's a classic album.


Agreed.
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Reply #63 posted 08/06/05 3:53pm

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for those of you who aren't feeling this, y'all need to get a sack of that Chron, burn some incense and light some candles and let the incantation begin. This is one for the soul and spirit. And reading the linear notes might help.

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Reply #64 posted 08/06/05 4:07pm

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Voodoo is an excellent album, very deep, funky and soulful if you ask me. I agree that it will be a soul classic in time. Brown Sugar is very enjoyable and features some great songwriting, but isn't as deep and layered as Voodoo IMO.
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Reply #65 posted 08/06/05 6:18pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

for those of you who aren't feeling this, y'all need to get a sack of that Chron, burn some incense and light some candles and let the incantation begin. This is one for the soul and spirit. And reading the linear notes might help.



Remember, folks!: Whenever you need a mind stimulant/narcotic TO ENJOY AN ALBUM - BAD SIGN! LOL!
"But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois --
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Reply #66 posted 08/06/05 6:28pm

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TheCrucialExperience said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

for those of you who aren't feeling this, y'all need to get a sack of that Chron, burn some incense and light some candles and let the incantation begin. This is one for the soul and spirit. And reading the linear notes might help.



Remember, folks!: Whenever you need a mind stimulant/narcotic TO ENJOY AN ALBUM - BAD SIGN! LOL!


not really, you just have to be in the same state as the artist was when the album was recorded. wink
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Reply #67 posted 08/06/05 6:33pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

TheCrucialExperience said:



Remember, folks!: Whenever you need a mind stimulant/narcotic TO ENJOY AN ALBUM - BAD SIGN! LOL!


not really, you just have to be in the same state as the artist was when the album was recorded. wink


Oh ok...HIGH. I got it now! LOL! eek
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Reply #68 posted 08/06/05 8:19pm

sinisterpentat
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TheCrucialExperience said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



not really, you just have to be in the same state as the artist was when the album was recorded. wink


Oh ok...HIGH. I got it now! LOL! eek


Yeah, isn't that weird? i would of thought anyone who wasn't feeling this album was smoking that shit. lol

Maybe, they're just on that xtra special shit. smile
[Edited 8/6/05 20:23pm]
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Reply #69 posted 08/06/05 8:37pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

TheCrucialExperience said:



Oh ok...HIGH. I got it now! LOL! eek


Yeah, isn't that weird? i would of thought anyone who wasn't feeling this album was smoking that shit. lol

Maybe, they're just on that xtra special shit. smile
[Edited 8/6/05 20:23pm]


More extra than what D' was smokin' WHEN HE MADE VOODOO!? lol lol lol
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Reply #70 posted 08/06/05 10:03pm

Sdldawn

AntonioFargas said:

Sdldawn said:

I think the reasons I dig this album is the amount of time it took for me to understand it.. and I never once considered it boaring.. it was an abstract soul sound I've never really heard.. most of the stuff I have/heard are too locked into the structure of the ways of the past soul/pop or whatever.. the forumlas thats been here. Not thats a bad thing.. but D dropped his debut album.. and then came out with this experimental disk that pretty much would turn the mass away from it..

I think the fact that he didnt release an album like the brown sugar is what turns alot of people off.. they were craving more of that style from him, and suprisingly D stuck to his guns and released a whopper of an album.. for many to appreciate.. I appreciated the eclectic definitions he presents in his music (Voodoo).. it wasn't your ordinary walk in the park.



Does the LP sound like a Prince imitation to you? I know personally, I hear touches of Prince in 4 songs only: Left & Right, Chicken Grease, Untitled and Africa. But out of 13 songs I don't think that constitutes a "Prince copy"


I didnt think it honestly constituted an official copy.. I understand the inspiration.. but hell, what are you gonna do? I dont generally think of prince when I listen to D.. I hear the simularities that D felt were necessary for his music.. I mean damn, if you were inspired by Prince, and felt that this paticular style would benefit your vision.. why not..

I dont think he was trying to imitate Prince.. cause Prince never surfaced this type of album.. not saying thats a good or bad thing. I just think this album is very different from prince music.. although the sound is simular..
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Reply #71 posted 08/06/05 10:34pm

Hotlegs

TheCrucialExperience said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



Yeah, isn't that weird? i would of thought anyone who wasn't feeling this album was smoking that shit. lol

Maybe, they're just on that xtra special shit. smile
[Edited 8/6/05 20:23pm]


More extra than what D' was smokin' WHEN HE MADE VOODOO!? lol lol lol

highfive Too Much Devil's Pie. evillol
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Reply #72 posted 08/06/05 11:19pm

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Y'all bullshittin', I dig that album headbang There's a few cuts @ the beginning that I skip over @ times but from about track 4 on that shit is solid...
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Reply #73 posted 08/06/05 11:51pm

Hotlegs

CalhounSq said:

There's a few cuts @ the beginning that I skip .

nod
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Reply #74 posted 08/07/05 1:33am

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The album is very subtle and delicate, it's his "vespertine"
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Reply #75 posted 08/07/05 4:28am

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Great album. Pisses all over Brown Sugar.
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Reply #76 posted 08/07/05 5:18am

justhemusic

i was gonna stay outta this one, and i haven't really read through the entire thread...so i'll just blindly thow in my 2cents..

I really dig both of D's records...Brown Sugar & Voodoo both. But if given an ultimatum that i could keep ONLY ONE of these to records I would grab Voodoo without hesitation.

so i guess that sums it up for me.

I think it has to do with folks musical preferences. Many folks, in fact i'd say most folks, tend to prefer very clean polished production and farmiliar easily identifyable song structures...Brown Sugar obviousy leaned more towards that style. I think thats fine, when its done well i too apreciate that type crispness..and Brown Sugar was definitely done very well and i loved that record witout a doubt. Wore it out.

But there are others out there, like myself, who actually prefer more murky thick, exploritive and subtle type of record...thats what Voodoo was for me. Dont get me wrong Voodoo had crispness where it needed it, but it also had those little things, some hidden things the subtle less obvious things going on...there was more depth musically and lyrically without a doubt on Voodoo than on Brown Sugar...without a doubt. So thats why its a given that I'd pick Voodoo first without even having to think about it. Some folks listen to Voodoo on the surface and think 'i don't hear a hit'. Well i listen to it it and think, 'i'm glad he didn't try to clean this up too much to try to make it into 'a hit''.

I really think they are both milestones in modern soul, but if i had to pick one that i would enjoy over the logest period of time, Voodoo gets my vote as the one to pick.
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Reply #77 posted 08/07/05 6:56am

Hotlegs

TheCrucialExperience said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



not really, you just have to be in the same state as the artist was when the album was recorded. wink


Oh ok...HIGH. I got it now! LOL! eek

evillol
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Reply #78 posted 08/07/05 7:02am

Ottensen

TheCrucialExperience said:

It was a hoshposh of outtakes to me. Some shit he just threw together after he found another label after being gone for 5 years. A weak effort that ONLY generated heat due to his naked video.


Well, what is it exactly that makes you feel that way? What specifically makes you feel like Voodoo was a "hosposh of outtakes"?
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Reply #79 posted 08/07/05 7:26am

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front if you want.. Voodoo is an EXCELLENT record that i can still listen to today and pickup new things
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Reply #80 posted 08/07/05 8:03am

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Cloudbuster said:

Great album. Pisses all over Brown Sugar.


nod
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Reply #81 posted 08/07/05 8:11am

Evillol

Hotlegs said:

TheCrucialExperience said:



Oh ok...HIGH. I got it now! LOL! eek

evillol


no no no!
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Reply #82 posted 08/07/05 8:31am

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Hotlegs said:

AntonioFargas said:



So be it. Different strokes right? I'm just suprised that someone so well learned in funk would dismiss an album with so many funky influences. Many are so quick to dismiss Voodoo as a boring bland Prince copy,


nod That's exactly what it was shit that turn me off.


I dont' know where y'all bought your copy of Voodoo, but mine sounds NOTHING like Prince. Maybe Untitled, but other than that, I dont' hear ANY Prince on there at all.
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Reply #83 posted 08/07/05 8:33am

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sinisterpentatonic said:

for those of you who aren't feeling this, y'all need to get a sack of that Chron, burn some incense and light some candles and let the incantation begin. This is one for the soul and spirit. And reading the linear notes might help.




That was another thing that I loved about this record, the fact that it actually HAD liner notes! And the subject matter of them was very helpful to me as I was going thru a period of writer's block at the time.
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Reply #84 posted 08/07/05 8:55am

Hotlegs

guitarslinger44 said:

Hotlegs said:



nod That's exactly what it was shit that turn me off.


I dont' know where y'all bought your copy of Voodoo, but mine sounds NOTHING like Prince. Maybe Untitled, but other than that, I dont' hear ANY Prince on there at all.

That's my opinion dammit and I'm sticking to it. There are certain songs on that album that are dead ringers for P's music and D should be paying P royalties in fact.
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Reply #85 posted 08/07/05 8:55am

Hotlegs

Evillol said:

Hotlegs said:


evillol


no no no!

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Reply #86 posted 08/07/05 10:20am

AntonioFargas

on a side note, ?uestlove is giving away a bunch of Voodoo outtakes and live goodies in the following thread at Okayplayer:

http://board.okayplayer.c...9934&page=
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Reply #87 posted 08/07/05 10:21am

Hotlegs

AntonioFargas said:

on a side note, ?uestlove is giving away a bunch of Voodoo outtakes and live goodies in the following thread at Okayplayer:

http://board.okayplayer.c...9934&page=

cool
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Reply #88 posted 08/07/05 10:59am

GeishaGirl

I love both of these CD's but I listen to Voodoo more often and became a bigger fan of his after Voodoo. Send It On, Spanish Joint, Greatdayndamornin', Africa etc....I can listen to those songs forever.
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Reply #89 posted 08/07/05 11:22am

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AntonioFargas said:

on a side note, ?uestlove is giving away a bunch of Voodoo outtakes and live goodies in the following thread at Okayplayer:

http://board.okayplayer.c...9934&page=


How does this site work, I don't get it.
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