R+B producer JERMAINE DUPRI is urging his fellow African Americans to offer his future brother-in-law MICHAEL JACKSON all the support they can because he deserves more respect.

The Atlanta, Georgia-based mogul, who is dating JANET JACKSON, admits he was appalled with the way America's black population turned their backs on the King of Pop when he needed them most - at the height of his child molestation trial.

He says, "It's clear that Michael was set up... What's foolish about it is that our own community jokes about it (trial). If ELVIS (PRESLEY) were still alive, they would never let anything happen to him.

"What I hate about the black community is we don't protect our own... He's the only living legend that touched all our lives."

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Krytonite said:

?!?!?!?!?!?!

VoicesCarry said:[quote]

Krytonite said:

We'll besides our man P, I would have to that MJ has made an impact in music and that can't be denied all bullshit aside.

Hotlegs said:

JD has conveniently forgotten about people like

, too.
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Krytonite said:

What about those of us who believe that if MJ didn't do exactly what he was charged with, surely did
SOMETHING .

No man close to 50 years old should be in bed with a young child. End of story. No ifs, and, or buts.

If anything, we blacks are TOO PROTECTIVE of our own who fuck up . Look at all these people still supporting R Kelly. Or those who actually thought OJ was innocent. Or those who stood behind the crackhead who the mayor of Washington DC

Michael gets enough support in the Black community.


Nuff said.

jjhunsecker said:

Err, hence why it was never proved or admitted by anyone that he has done in the last 12 years. Read the damn testimony instead of the tablod soundbytes trying to summarize 5-6 hours of a court day in 3 minutes,

Ellie said:

Michael himself has admitted that he sleeps in the same bed with young children.

VoicesCarry said:

When? Where? In the PAST, yes, not in the last few years. He said he saw nothing wrong with it, not that he did it. Even Gavin Arvizo said they never shared a bed.

Ellie said:

Man, even the most devoted MJ fans on this site will admit that he has said many times that a) he's done it/ did it and b) he sees nothing wrong with it. This is not tabloid made up bullshit. I'm not a big enough MJ fan to hook you up with the sources, so your questios are gonna have to be answered by someone who knows better (and this question has been asked and answered on many of the MJ threads we've had in the past, which is how I know).
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Done it and did it, with whom? No-one in the last 12 years. Culkin and Barnes were probably the very last.

Like I said, in the actual transcripts, eevn Gavin The Goon said they never shared a bed.
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Ellie said:

As I said, I cannot answer these questions. Someone with encyclopedic MJ knowledge, can you please stand up?

VoicesCarry said:

what do you guys want now?

You're really not going to get anyone better than me in this forum. I can back it up, and just beause a drugged up Jackson post-arrest continued to assert his general beliefs that it's not ethically wrong, he never said he continued to do it after '93.

This is the snip from LWMJ:

lilgish said:

QUESTION: When/where/with which children (if known) has Michael admitted he's shared the same bed with in the past 12 years?

I want a specific instance.

The best quote to back up the idea is from the PTL interview, of which I was rather surprised that people never jumped on it back then, yet jumped on it in 2003 like it was new information:




But not one "child" in court ever testified to that, apart from Culkin, Robson and Barnes, who stayed over into adulthood, particularly Robson whose sister and parents were there too on occasions. Anyone else was a relation (cousin/niece/nephew), in fact, cousin Rijo Jackson (from the name I reckon a son of Joe's brother Luther, it was never explained, could be a second cousin) ran into MJ's room for a point of safety when catching Gavin and Star masturbating together in their guest quarters... ewwww.
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Ellie said:

I'd like to know why you called jjhunsecker out because he mentioned the fact that Michael has slept in the same bed as children in the past. "Other than these children" and "within the last 12 years" were not part of his post. What he said was factually accurate.

Confirmed: Brett Barnes stated the last time he slept in bed with Michael Jackson, he was 19 years old. That would have been around 98/99.

MJ stated in the Bashir vid which was filmed in 2002, that he gave, meaning shared his bed with Gavin Arvizo. The last time he admitted physically sleeping in the same bed was in the same Bashir doc and those were with the Culkin children.

lilgish said:

Thanks for the knowledge, lilgish.

Yep, like I said, Culkins and Barnes, into adulthood. Anyone NEW post-93? Because they were before and were trustworthy kids, staying in groups, sometimes alone, sometimes with parents, sometimes with Michael.

I particularly liked the testimony from Culkin when he was asked if he was wearing pajamas. WHen he said no the prosecutors jumped on that like he was about to say he was naked or in his underwear, and then Culkin just replied that up until the age of 17 he'd always fall asleep in his clothes

VoicesCarry said:

so did you get the invitation to the Dupri/Jackson wedding.

I saw this topic on other site, and I wrote this response about the fact that the white community didn't appear to support Elvis during his "decline" at all. People STILL joke about Elvis. In fact, it's really because Priscilla has made an effort to protect Elvis' legacy and legend that his memory isn't more of a characature. Priscilla has made sure that people remember what Elvis started out to be and recall the person that he apparently was.

Honestly, I think Michael and Elvis are similar in a way: the deal is that the public at large (not necessarily the black community) just can't relate to Michael anymore in the same way that public wasn't able to relate to Elvis. But with Michael, it's even worse. Although I think that Jermaine was hyper-critical of the Black community, it's still kinda sad that we ALL build-up OUR idols only to knock em down when they don't live up to our expectations or become increasingly eccentric coz they start "believing" their own hype. Hey, in a way we fans are responsible for making them believe that the are "above it all" in the first place. When they are popular, we treat em like they are gods that can do no wrong. As a result, these artists just "evolve" into something unrecognizable, then the some fans "turn" on em, and they are kinda left with this emptiness and rejection but still believing in that "image," or that "persona" that's not even based in reality. Hey, the disappointment that Elvis apparently felt coz he didn't understand why his live was not respresentative of the "king" that he believed himself to be drove him to insomnia, then he became addicted to drugs and died of an overdose. I sure don't want that to happen to Michael.

I just hope that Michael can come back. I want Michael to come back, and I'm more of a Janet fan. He doesn't has to "change," except to the extent of protecting himself against any further allegations. I just hope he can come back to show that public that he can survive all of the stuff and still be productive or just happy. That's what I want for Michael.

black community,white community, etc... i always thought communities were to bring people together; not segregate them.

VoicesCarry said:

When people talk about it they always state ages. He'll be 47 next month. When they say "close to 50 years old", when there's no evidence or testimony from anyone to say he's slept in a bed with a CHILD even into his 40s, it's factually incorrect. When people talk about it they talk about it like he's got a huge string of kids on a nightly ritual. When the Culkins and Barnes' were visiting Neverland in the last deacde it was more like once every 4 months.

So basically, no-one since the birth of his own children - a 19 year old Brett Barnes doesn't count because when you forget the times, ages and circumstances it sounds more sinister than it is - and I seriously doubt any bed sharing at that age was anything more than falling asleep while watching movies and playing video games, as they testified to lots of times. Mark Lester has described just exactly that when talking about his 3 daughters (MJ is their godfather) all there with him, MJ, Prince & Paris etc.

Now you could say the same "close to 40 years old", "in his 30s" and it would have the same impact of instant supiscion - but then again, what goes on in our own dirty minds isn't the truth of what actually happens - but they still chose to talk about this bed sharing shit like it's in the present.

Krytonite said:

Beside MJ, THAT part of the statement is a thread in itself.

Oh BTW, for the record, personally I don't believe Jermaine Dupri even believes a word of what he's saying. He's just churning out generic rubbish to please the missus.

Nice post Isel. I agree with most of what you say, and I think the thing about having a pre-conceived image of what the person is like applies to both the craziest fanatics and the harshest critics. It works both ways, and we end up ripping eachother apart arguing about it. I know in the last 4-5 years I've become a hell of a lot more defensive over MJ just to counter-balance the criticisms. I believe what I'm saying, but I wouldn't feel the need to say it so often or in such detail if the lynch-mob wasn't out there.
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I would share a bed with MJ for sure

Ellie said:

I think the sentiment of his post was what mattered to him. Writing 3 paragraphs about the semantics of his 23-word post won't change his mind This is how many people see Michael Jackson, and it is always how they will see Michael Jackson. The end.
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Still, I swear, if there was 24hr surveillance footage captured of MJ's entire life over the last 20 years, there would still be folks saying he's guilty "of something... in my opinion". The thing is, there's no real opinion about it. It's not a discussion on favourite songs. Inappropriate according to Western society or not, it doesn't make any difference if a person is factually innocent.

Ellie said:

What jjhunsecker is saying is that he considers Michael's conduct inappropriate, even if there is nothing technically illegal about it according to Western courts (NOT Western society, since many people in Western society take issue with Michael's actions). This is a perfectly legitimate viewpoint.
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