TheRealFiness said:

"cough" SNOB "cough"
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jacktheimprovident said:

Sly is so underrated, very sad...
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krayzie said:

so is that man in ur av.


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I don't think it's possible to overrate Stevie

FunkyBrotha said:

sermwanderer said:

I thought you were done with MJ threads. Here's reminding you not to post when the next album flops.

I have no clue why people attach any significance to the notion that this was a Sony release that MJ didn't have anything to do with. So what? That has absolutely nothing to do with the dismal sales.

When Sony released a very similar "essential Bruce Springsteen" collection in 2003 with a similar amount of promotion, it debuted at #14 on the charts. Bruce had also previously released a greatest hits set.

Sounds to me like people are trying to make excuses as to why the new collection tanked so bad. Let's face facts: if Madonna, or any other huge music star, released an "essential collection" it would have sold 5 times the copies that this did, with similar promotion.

And as far as "Michael didn't have anything to do with it, so that's why it tanked." Show me the logic. Ya think MJ actively promoting this would have helped sales???? um, no. Let's see, the last time MJ actively promoted an album - Ones, and before that Invincible, and before that, Blood on the Dance Floor - - - all did poorly. None met expectations.

And now 8k copies??? 8k?? That is astonishingly pathetic.

MJ is done in the US.

JonSnow said:

So why did Invincible sell more than American Life.

lilgish said:

If Madonna released a 2-CD "essential collection" tomorrow - even though she already has 3 previous compilations - would it, or would it not, sell more than 8 thousand copies? Simple question.

We all know the answer.

I thought I read it was selling well on another thread... was that for the UK?

JonSnow said:

ok, so why did Invincible sell more than American Life? Is Madonna done in the U.S to?

CinisterCee said:

check amits posts for all sales figures.

lilgish said:

Invincible was a huge disappointment, and so was American Life. We are talking about a PATTERN of failures and disappointments for MJ, topped off by the spectacularly poor showing of his new collection. Madonna has had one sub-par sales performace. If she ever releases a compliation that sells 8,000 copies then, yes, she may be finished. Of course, I don't think anybody here believes that would ever happen.

The last time an MJ album sold up to expectations in the US was "Dangerous", and even that is arguable. But even at the time of "invincible", MJ - while no longer the force he once was - was still a major player on the charts. Well, kinda...

But now - 8,000!?!?!?!?!?! - he is done in the US.



Oh... and can you please answer this question: If Madonna released a 2-CD "essential collection" tomorrow - even though she already has 3 previous compilations - would it, or would it not, sell more than 8 thousand copies?
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JonSnow said:

It would, but I never disputed that. You say MJ is done and compare his sales with Madonna. MJ sales twice to three times the units Madge moves each week. American life sold less than Invincible. Point. Madonna is not selling more or much more than MJ right now.

This disc also cost 30.00 dollars, so it's not like madge was gonna move 200 - 300,000 on this.

lilgish said:

Invincible vs. American Life is not relevant to MJ selling 8k copies right now. Again, Bruce Springsteen's similar compilation, with similar packaging, debuted at #14.

MJ? #128.

JonSnow said:

way to gloss over the weekly numbers. How many units is Bruce moving each week? I could care less about the sales, I own almost all his stuff and didn't buy this. These numbers prove little, he could be done, but this third straight 30.00 collection is certainly not proof.

lilgish will you PLEASE come play on yahoo?

CinisterCee said:

play what exactly?????

lilgish said:

why do I have the feeling that this phrase is going to be repeated quite a bit by MJ fans in the future.....? Just a prediction.

lilgish said:

catcher. I have a file for you

CinisterCee said:

lilgish said:

"What's the problem?"

how can someone be king of anything just sellin 8,000 albums
that too only cause they had sale at bestbuy for $15 for 2cds


next week it will be like 3k albums

TonyVanDam said:

he always has

Back to the idea of MJ's "Essentail" being the most sucessful, Barbara Sterisand's debuted at 15 (and I also recall it having good internatonal numbers). That being said, when people are in the mood for a good compilation, they'll buy it (Donna Summer, the queen of comps, recently charted with a single disc set with some new songs and a bonus disc of 12 inch mixes....good idea and good timing). This one had bad timing and a worse tracklisting. Sterisand's had commericals, as I recall. I think it also had a pretty good tracklisting (she' probably had at least some say in what was on there).

As for Madonna, no comparison is fair. She's never released a comp like this. Nor as MJ released a proper hits Cd like Madonna did twice ("The Immaculate Collection" and "GVH2", both of which sold exteremly well and in the case of IC, still sells). I'm willing to beat, whoever, if there was a Madonna essentail collection, her fans would come out in big numbers and support it just because she isn't the type to rerelease material that often.

I'm not saying MJ's numbers are terrible...a few of these complitions come with some promotion and in fact do better (in America at least). However, MJ's certainly has done better than most.

jn2 said:

I have yet to see promotion on this record.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

what the fuck you think this is!!!