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Printablelilgish said: ThreadBare said: The more things change...
It's worth noting that the lowest-common-denominator stereotypes that made "Gone with the Wind" and "Birth of a Nation" enduring, subtextual American classics can be seen at play in the African-American hue given to discussions of "DL" men. Such labels as "DL Brothas" and "baby-mommas" and "baby-daddies" insinuate themselves into the American lexicon as little more than shorthand for alleged black behavior in the 2000's, the way "welfare queens," "pimps" and "drive-bys" did in decades past. It all smacks of "The Bell Curve," thinly veiled racism and a wink at eugenics. The discussions' bottom line usually can be boiled down to the argument: "Why can't those people control themselves?" as if sexual proclivities and complexities were a black invention instead of a human reality. Race -- as most scientists agree -- is little more than a fairy tale. When it becomes a factor in discussions of human behavior -- more so than, say, economic levels and access to resources -- it becomes worse, mythology dressed up as revelation. Men and women of all stripes have issues relating to each other, not the least of which romantically. When discussions of those varying relations get colored by race (pardon the pun), it never takes long for darker peoples to be vilified or dehumanized, all these centuries later. Happy 2005. The DL is not a stereotype, Black men and Black women have a unique response to homosexuality or bisexuality, especially as it relates to the image of sex in the hip-hop culture. The mere appearance of homosexuality/bisexuality is enough to stir up the hip-hop world. It's Black people like superhead and Wendy Williams doing the stirring, not some white author. Why are we stirred up is the question? Why do blacks have a "unique response?" Did persecution of homosexuals and bisexuals begin with blacks? No. That's what I'm talking about -- mythology posing as revelation. | |
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ThreadBare said: lilgish said: The DL is not a stereotype, Black men and Black women have a unique response to homosexuality or bisexuality, especially as it relates to the image of sex in the hip-hop culture. The mere appearance of homosexuality/bisexuality is enough to stir up the hip-hop world. It's Black people like superhead and Wendy Williams doing the stirring, not some white author. Why are we stirred up is the question? Why do blacks have a "unique response?" Did persecution of homosexuals and bisexuals begin with blacks? No. That's what I'm talking about -- mythology posing as revelation. Unique, does not mean persecute. At no point in American history did Black people treat gay Blacks the same as their White counterparts. Every culture is unique in some way. And you left out especially as it relates to the image of sex in the hip-hop culture
is this reaction a myth, have you heard what's gone down in the last few days? and what it reflects about the young Black hip-hop community? | |
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lilgish said:[quote] ThreadBare said: Unique, does not mean persecute. At no point in American history did Black people treat gay Blacks the same as their White counterparts. Every culture is unique in some way. If by "the same," you mean universally support, you're mistaken. Ever hear of Stonewall? That wasn't exactly a black event... And you left out especially as it relates to the image of sex in the hip-hop culture
is this reaction a myth, have you heard what's gone down in the last few days? and what it reflects about the young Black hip-hop community? I leave you with this question, because I gotta go to bed. Is the reflection you speak of new? Or is the reflection one seen before in different contexts, in different times, with this same factor -- where people demonize what's different (or even what they perceive to be different) from themselves? I say it's not new. I say it's the same ignorance and hatred seen in Salem, in Germany, in Rwanda, Northern Ireland and Pakistan/India: "You're different, so I will try to mistreat you, because I think I can." It's not a unique response. It's a tired, sad one. And, it certainly isn't black. G'night, friend. [Edited 7/12/05 22:38pm] | |
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vainandy said: Hotlegs said:
Judging from the tone of your posts, your full of bullshit and bitter towards Black Women. You don't know nothing about me andyet you chose to prejudge me , disrect me like a insecure weak triflin bitch made muthafucka would do. Only a pitiful fuck would do that and here I thought your ass was different but I see you still have growing up to do. Now after you grow a set of balls and stop  ing off  like little boys do perhaps then, we can have a civil adult conversation. You are a bad lady and deserve much respect for understanding, realizing, and facing the truth in this matter. You must have had many gay male friends to hip you to these motherfuckers because the average straight person refuses to believe it until it has been proven to them. The only way for some people to believe it would be to actually have a videotape of the motherfuckers having sex. Even then, the trade bastards would probably say the tape was edited with special effects.   Thanks Vain Baby for having full understanding of my perspective . After having dabbled in the entertainment biz over the years, I've had the oppurtunity to come accross all types so nothing fazes me anymore and I will call a spade a spade.[Edited 7/13/05 14:18pm] | |
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OnionJuice said: meow85 said: So care to elaborate on why you've got more respect for a gay man than a bisexual one? Since DL guys are bisexual, what acutally I meant to say was that I respect an open person way more than I respect a DL person. I aint got nothing against open bisexual people at all - just those who do it on the low, but wanna act like they str8 in public. I'll admit I guess I just didnt explain myself well enough to begin with. 
[Edited 7/11/05 21:28pm] Fair enough. I guess my first instinct was to attack because you weren't clear with your comments. Looks like both of us fucked up a lil. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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vainandy said: immyidol said:
The guys who do this are low, your right but keep in mind....The whole DL thing is nothing but a conspiricy to weaken the strong masculine image of black males! Sure there are black guys who are on the dl, but its not like all or even most black guys are into this. Guys with that "strong masculine image" are usually the ones that are fooling around. Straight men are not that masculine. Straight men don't have anything to prove, down low men do. Before hip hop took over, you used to could spot a down low man strictly by the way he was dressed. They were the very first men dressing the "thugged out" look. Now that hip hop has taken over, it's hard to tell the straight men from the down low men. Instead of gay men approaching other men like they used to do in the past, now they have to wait to be approached because it's hard to spot these down low motherfuckers out because everyone looks like them these days. OK You obviously are one of the people trying to push these false beliefs just to justify your own. Do you have any statistics or proof that gay black men are on the DL more than any other race? If not then its just your opionion? You obviosly are apart of the gay phyloshophy brainwashing going on in this country. If you wanna be gay fine, but dont try to diss my people, or insult my intelligence and exspect to get away with it. If you have no solid proof, then its your opinion and wish that the world would be just like you. People like you are no different from Hitler, or the clergy during the catholic inquisition, if everyone is not gay then burn them! Thats what you'd like right! I have nothing against gay people, you deserve the same rights as others. But there is a segment of the gay community that is just like republicans or democrats, also playing the media and promoting selfish ideals that benifit only your group. Dude just be you, and if your comfortable in your shoes, you wont need everybody else to be gay, or worry about who's next to COME OUT, what your really looking for is a validation of your own sexuality. These topics are really pathetic, no one thinks of the rights of these people discussed. Let them say who they are, who gave you the right to define them? And then you want to cry about someone treating you wrong? How hypocritical is that? I know you'll come back with alot of bable, but im done. Peace and I hope you find it. By any means neccesary. There is no try either do or do not! - Malcom X & Yoda...lol | |
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CalhounSq said: vainandy said: [ There are white men in serious denial like this also but they are usually low class men like truckers, stage hands, carnival workers, or other men that travel constantly.
That's some cold shit No tell it like it is! Its the most twisted racist, classist comment I have seen in a loonnng time! Vainlady, you obviously have no idea what your talking about, these sweeping generalizations just show your blindness to the facts. I am sure your a ok dude, but man get your facts to gether. This is way off base. By any means neccesary. There is no try either do or do not! - Malcom X & Yoda...lol | |
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WOW...what an interesting thread!! A few comments...
***Since I don't watch BET anymore,I have absolutely NO idea who this "Big Tigga" rapper is.But it looks like he's going through a rough time,eh? ***There are "downlow" people in every race.Closeted bisexual people are nothing new,and it's not something you only see in the black community. ***I'm getting sick and tired of the whole process of "outing" famous people.In the last week or so,I've been seeing ALOT of people speculating about Luther's sexuality.Does it really matter?! Why are people so obsessed with whom a person sleeps with? I don't get it. ***But having said that....I bet that Wendy Williams is having a field day with this Tigga scandal [Edited 7/13/05 6:35am] | |
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vainandy said: immyidol said:
The guys who do this are low, your right but keep in mind....The whole DL thing is nothing but a conspiricy to weaken the strong masculine image of black males! Sure there are black guys who are on the dl, but its not like all or even most black guys are into this. Guys with that "strong masculine image" are usually the ones that are fooling around. Straight men are not that masculine. Straight men don't have anything to prove, down low men do. Before hip hop took over, you used to could spot a down low man strictly by the way he was dressed. They were the very first men dressing the "thugged out" look. Now that hip hop has taken over, it's hard to tell the straight men from the down low men. Instead of gay men approaching other men like they used to do in the past, now they have to wait to be approached because it's hard to spot these down low motherfuckers out because everyone looks like them these days. This is  God made men masculine and women feminine. Its sooo simple.
If you want to be something in between, but dont try to change the male image. Its one thing to want to be you. Its another to try to make the world like you. thats called facism! They had that in germany. Men are supposed to be masculine, sorry it offends you. Maybe because your not masculine, other men make you feel intimidated or uncomfortable, you need to work thru that. There are plenty of gay guys who can kick some ass and dont care what anyone else does. You need to join that crowd. By any means neccesary. There is no try either do or do not! - Malcom X & Yoda...lol | |
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lilgish said: vainandy said: From what I have seen, many white men can admit it and black men can't. That's why they are on the "down low" while many of the white men are "openly bisexual". For some reason, and I don't know why....black men and women have had a problem for ages owning up to certain sexual acts. I can remember in the 1980s, black men refused to admit that they ate pussy and black women also refused to admit that they sucked dick. White men and women back then, had no problem admitting this. It wasn't until the 1990s, that I saw black men and women admitting to such acts. True, Caribbean Blacks will still say they don't do oral.  That might be a Jamaican stereotype. spelling edit [Edited 7/13/05 8:36am] | |
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ThreadBare said: The more things change...
It's worth noting that the lowest-common-denominator stereotypes that made "Gone with the Wind" and "Birth of a Nation" enduring, subtextual American classics can be seen at play in the African-American hue given to discussions of "DL" men. Such labels as "DL Brothas" and "baby-mommas" and "baby-daddies" insinuate themselves into the American lexicon as little more than shorthand for alleged black behavior in the 2000's, the way "welfare queens," "pimps" and "drive-bys" did in decades past. It all smacks of "The Bell Curve," thinly veiled racism and a wink at eugenics. The discussions' bottom line usually can be boiled down to the argument: "Why can't those people control themselves?" as if sexual proclivities and complexities were a black invention instead of a human reality. Race -- as most scientists agree -- is little more than a fairy tale. When it becomes a factor in discussions of human behavior -- more so than, say, economic levels and access to resources -- it becomes worse, mythology dressed up as revelation. Men and women of all stripes have issues relating to each other, not the least of which romantically. When discussions of those varying relations get colored by race (pardon the pun), it never takes long for darker peoples to be vilified or dehumanized, all these centuries later. Happy 2005.  threadbare's back!!!I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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ThreadBare said: lilgish said: ThreadBare said:
is this reaction a myth, have you heard what's gone down in the last few days? and what it reflects about the young Black hip-hop community? I leave you with this question, because I gotta go to bed. Is the reflection you speak of new? Or is the reflection one seen before in different contexts, in different times, with this same factor -- where people demonize what's different (or even what they perceive to be different) from themselves? I say it's not new. I say it's the same ignorance and hatred seen in Salem, in Germany, in Rwanda, Northern Ireland and Pakistan/India: "You're different, so I will try to mistreat you, because I think I can." It's not a unique response. It's a tired, sad one. And, it certainly isn't black. G'night, friend. [Edited 7/12/05 22:38pm]   | |
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immyidol said: I have nothing against gay people, you deserve the same rights as others. But there is a segment of the gay community that is just like republicans or democrats, also playing the media and promoting selfish ideals that benifit only your group. [b]This is all I'm saying. I've seen several posts attacking what I have said. The bottom line is that I refuse to believe that this "down low brother" syndrome is in epic proportions in the black community. I do believe the sensationalist media and the devils (black and white) that work in it are using it as a jumpoff for book sales, magazine sales and ratings. Black people as a CULTURE (we can discuss and argure the physiological aspects of race all day and night, but I'm speaking of black culture which is UNDENIABLE no matter how you look at it) has gone in a haphazard direction of addressing homosexuality in our community. It is this confusion that allows people to play on it, shroud it in mystery and scramble the numbers to create a paranoia that divides our sisters and brothers. i live in a city with a huge gay population, i have gay friends and i in no way try to avoid anyone because of their sexual preference. I don't care who is fucking who. I'm not involved, so I couldn't care less. I do care about my brothers that have been persecuted in this society as it is and I have no love for people with agendas who create mischief to stir people up and attempt to create confusion for their own personal profit or to push their own agenda through. Half the black men in the country ain't gay. If you think this, then you have been bamboozled and you need to check your paranoia level or go to the doctor and see abour getting yourself some Zyprexa or one of those other psycotropic drugs becaue your ass is PARANOID. I, for one am not falling for the okey doke. I see ImMyIdol isn't either. On the real, homosexuality in our community isn't an epidemic; it just may appear that way because we refuse to talk openly about it. It may appear that way to those who are homosexual because you are around more gays than others, but its still not epidemicly large. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: it just may appear that way because we refuse to talk openly about it. [/color]
 BK Baby, your definitely on to something now and have made a major point. That's the fucking problem with our race and society in general. But, this is where threads like these , even the Tigga scandal, and the DL Book come in handy. Beacause,it allows/ forces us as a race of people to deal with "social myths/tabus" and be more inclusive instead of denying reality.[Edited 7/13/05 12:12pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: immyidol said: I have nothing against gay people, you deserve the same rights as others. But there is a segment of the gay community that is just like republicans or democrats, also playing the media and promoting selfish ideals that benifit only your group. [b]This is all I'm saying. I've seen several posts attacking what I have said. The bottom line is that I refuse to believe that this "down low brother" syndrome is in epic proportions in the black community. I do believe the sensationalist media and the devils (black and white) that work in it are using it as a jumpoff for book sales, magazine sales and ratings. Black people as a CULTURE (we can discuss and argure the physiological aspects of race all day and night, but I'm speaking of black culture which is UNDENIABLE no matter how you look at it) has gone in a haphazard direction of addressing homosexuality in our community. It is this confusion that allows people to play on it, shroud it in mystery and scramble the numbers to create a paranoia that divides our sisters and brothers. i live in a city with a huge gay population, i have gay friends and i in no way try to avoid anyone because of their sexual preference. I don't care who is fucking who. I'm not involved, so I couldn't care less. I do care about my brothers that have been persecuted in this society as it is and I have no love for people with agendas who create mischief to stir people up and attempt to create confusion for their own personal profit or to push their own agenda through. Half the black men in the country ain't gay. If you think this, then you have been bamboozled and you need to check your paranoia level or go to the doctor and see abour getting yourself some Zyprexa or one of those other psycotropic drugs becaue your ass is PARANOID. I, for one am not falling for the okey doke. I see ImMyIdol isn't either. On the real, homosexuality in our community isn't an epidemic; it just may appear that way because we refuse to talk openly about it. It may appear that way to those who are homosexual because you are around more gays than others, but its still not epidemicly large. the voice of reason has spoken....  you look better on your facebook page than you do in person  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: it just may appear that way because we refuse to talk openly about it. [/color]
BK Baby, your definitely on to something now and have made a major point. That's the fucking problem with our race and society in general. But, this is where threads like these , even the Tigga scandal, and the DL Book come in handy. Beacause,it allows/ forces us as a race of people to deal with "social myths/tabus" and be more inclusive instead of denying reality. | |
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immyidol said:
OK You obviously are one of the people trying to push these false beliefs just to justify your own. Do you have any statistics or proof that gay black men are on the DL more than any other race? If not then its just your opionion? You obviosly are apart of the gay phyloshophy brainwashing going on in this country. If you wanna be gay fine, but dont try to diss my people, or insult my intelligence and exspect to get away with it. It's more than just my opinion. I have slept with many of these bastards and have had them first hand. Of course there are no statistics and proof other than the word of gay men that have had them and straight women that have caught them. If the son of a bitches won't admit their bisexuality to themselves, they sure as hell aren't going to engage in an interview with someone or some sort of study. I know from my own experience (and if I'm lying, may lightning strike me down), the type of assholes that fool around and unless you have frequented gay clubs night after night and engaged in these acts yourself, you would have no way of knowing about these types of men. And as far as black men go, I have slept with enough of them to start an episode of "Soul Train". Dude just be you, and if your comfortable in your shoes, you wont need everybody else to be gay, or worry about who's next to COME OUT, what your really looking for is a validation of your own sexuality. These topics are really pathetic, no one thinks of the rights of these people discussed.
I am very comfortable in my own shoes and these trade bastards need to be comfortable in theirs. I don't need validation for my sexuality because if anyone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. Let them say who they are, who gave you the right to define them?
And then you want to cry about someone treating you wrong? How hypocritical is that? Who gave those motherfuckers the right to define me. I be damned if I'm going to let a motherfucker that's doing some of the same things that I am doing, sit up and disrespect me with names like faggott. If a motherfucker is going to cross me, their closet better be squeaky clean, otherwise I'm going to expose their ass for what they are and let them feel the same pain. Fuck turning the other cheek. If you turn the other cheek, you will get that one slapped too. I believe in payback, especially payback that fits the crime and payback is a motherfucker. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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immyidol said:
This is God made men masculine and women feminine. Its sooo simple.
If you want to be something in between, but dont try to change the male image. Its one thing to want to be you. Its another to try to make the world like you. thats called facism! They had that in germany. Men are supposed to be masculine, sorry it offends you. Maybe because your not masculine, other men make you feel intimidated or uncomfortable, you need to work thru that. Every male is not 100% hardcore masculine and every woman is not 100% hardcore feminine. Everyone, straight and gay, has a little of the opposite gender's ways in them. Those that are overly masculine, and I do mean OVERLY masculine, usually have something to hide. I have plenty of straight male friends and none of them are as masculine as these men. There are plenty of gay guys who can kick some ass and dont care what anyone else does. You need to join that crowd.
Unfortunately, there are not enough. Gay clubs are the only clubs I know of where these men can go in and openly call people "fags", in their OWN club and get away with it. If a white person went in a black club and called people "niggers", they would be lucky to make it out of the club alive. Gay clubs should be this way also, but they aren't. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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[quote] MsLegs said: vainandy said: You are a bad lady and deserve much respect for understanding, realizing, and facing the truth in this matter. You must have had many gay male friends to hip you to these motherfuckers because the average straight person refuses to believe it until it has been proven to them. The only way for some people to believe it would be to actually have a videotape of the motherfuckers having sex. Even then, the trade bastards would probably say the tape was edited with special effects. [b][color=green]Thanks TA Baby for having full understanding of my perspective . Legs, I'm going to spank you. You were responding to my post. As much as I love "TA" (The Audience), I'm just little old Vainandy. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Thanks VA Baby for having full understanding of my perspective . Legs, I'm going to spank you. You were responding to my post. As much as I love "TA" (The Audience), I'm just little old Vainandy. Oops, my bag. Sorry Vain Baby.  Don't say nothing to TA b/c he's going to want to swat me next. But then again, you know what my auntie Tina says.
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ThreadBare said: If by "the same," you mean universally support, you're mistaken. Ever hear of Stonewall? That wasn't exactly a black event...
I'm saying the opposite, the Black community has never had the wherewithal to negatively affect its gay portion as much as Whites have affected theirs. Is the reflection you speak of new? Or is the reflection one seen before in different contexts, in different times, with this same factor -- where people demonize what's different (or even what they perceive to be different) from themselves?
I say it's not new. I say it's the same ignorance and hatred seen in Salem, in Germany, in Rwanda, Northern Ireland and Pakistan/India: "You're different, so I will try to mistreat you, because I think I can." It's not a unique response. It's a tired, sad one. And, it certainly isn't black. Ignorance, and in this case "self-hatred" is not new or unique, but this is a real issue and not hysteria as some might think. The false machismo of hip-hop/thug culture makes this outing all the more scandalous. | |
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vainandy said: immyidol said:
This is God made men masculine and women feminine. Its sooo simple.
If you want to be something in between, but dont try to change the male image. Its one thing to want to be you. Its another to try to make the world like you. thats called facism! They had that in germany. Men are supposed to be masculine, sorry it offends you. Maybe because your not masculine, other men make you feel intimidated or uncomfortable, you need to work thru that. Every male is not 100% hardcore masculine and every woman is not 100% hardcore feminine. Everyone, straight and gay, has a little of the opposite gender's ways in them. Those that are overly masculine, and I do mean OVERLY masculine, usually have something to hide. I have plenty of straight male friends and none of them are as masculine as these men. There are plenty of gay guys who can kick some ass and dont care what anyone else does. You need to join that crowd.
Unfortunately, there are not enough. Gay clubs are the only clubs I know of where these men can go in and openly call people "fags", in their OWN club and get away with it. If a white person went in a black club and called people "niggers", they would be lucky to make it out of the club alive. Gay clubs should be this way also, but they aren't. Hey vain, is that u in ur av Pretty masculine
My ex girlfriend took me to a gay club a couple of times. (well its a gay club a couple of times a week). It was OK. No stupid twats hanging around the dancefloors like vulters just staring at women thats for sure (i hate those posers). On this place, I might be considered gay at times (particually when I talk about how big my ass is-which is very "gay".) But, I guess Iam a contradiction. Shouldn't have to be one though. | |
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thesexofit said:
Hey vain, is that u in ur av Pretty masculineNo, that's not me.....just another one of my "sexy" avatars.
My ex girlfriend took me to a gay club a couple of times. (well its a gay club a couple of times a week). It was OK. No stupid twats hanging around the dancefloors like vulters just staring at women thats for sure (i hate those posers).
I could take you to a gay club in my area where the rough trade harass the lesbians all night long in front of the other rough trade. At the end of the night, when their gansta male friends and any women in the place are not looking, these same "thuggish" men are either getting in the car with a drag queen or a gay man for some action for their satisfaction.
On this place, I might be considered gay at times (particually when I talk about how big my ass is-which is very "gay".) But, I guess Iam a contradiction. Shouldn't have to be one though.
I've never considered you gay in the least. You have simply been yourself, with nothing to prove, and a lot of folks around here love you for it.  [Edited 7/13/05 16:33pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: thesexofit said:
Hey vain, is that u in ur av Pretty masculineNo, that's not me.....just another one of my "sexy" avatars.
I could take you to a gay club in my area where the rough trade harass the lesbians all night long in front of the other rough trade. At the end of the night, when their gansta male friends and any women in the place are not looking, these same "thuggish" men are either getting in the car with a drag queen or a gay man for some action for their satisfaction.
On this place, I might be considered gay at times (particually when I talk about how big my ass is-which is very "gay".) But, I guess Iam a contradiction. Shouldn't have to be one though.
I've never considered you gay in the least. You have simply been yourself, with nothing to prove, and a lot of folks around here love you for it.
[Edited 7/13/05 16:33pm] Cheers vain. As far as I can tell, in the 70's 80's, gays were often butch ala village people. Full force looked gay by stereotype now gay stereotype is more skinny and flamboyant like that dreadful jack in will and grace (cant stand him) and the macho peaked cap, coc d look has been out since the 90's. What u reckon? Iam in way over my head. But gay stereotpye has changed though right?
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thesexofit said: No stupid twats hanging around the dancefloors like vulters just staring at women thats for sure (i hate those posers).
Do have you have something against us? 
Anyway, my homegirl got me up inside of a lesbian club once - at the time, I bought into the stereotypes of lesbianism, like lesbian bars being full of nothing but beautiful women, sexy ass female strippers and Im grabbing myself just picturing it. But reality hit, and none of the lesbian chicks were really hot...at all. Hell, most of them didnt even look like chicks. I even saw some of the college-fade lesbians mean mugging me from the floor up like they wanna throwdown, and they were checking out my homegirl (who was dressed like she just came off of the video of a video; hell, she was finest chick up in there) - it really wasnt no different then any other club. Other than a few feminie-acting guys and a bartender, I was the only guy up in there once, I couldnt wait to leave. Onion Juice appears courtesy of Streethop.com | |
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OnionJuice said: thesexofit said: No stupid twats hanging around the dancefloors like vulters just staring at women thats for sure (i hate those posers).
Do have you have something against us?
Anyway, my homegirl got me up inside of a lesbian club once - at the time, I bought into the stereotypes of lesbianism, like lesbian bars being full of nothing but beautiful women, sexy ass female strippers and Im grabbing myself just picturing it. But reality hit, and none of the lesbian chicks were really hot...at all. Hell, most of them didnt even look like chicks. I even saw some of the college-fade lesbians mean mugging me from the floor up like they wanna throwdown, and they were checking out my homegirl (who was dressed like she just came off of the video of a video; hell, she was finest chick up in there) - it really wasnt no different then any other club. Other than a few feminie-acting guys and a bartender, I was the only guy up in there once, I couldnt wait to leave. Never been to a lesbo bar. My stereotpye is one of ellen from that lame sitcom she did (called ellen  ). short hair, average build. And of course, a feminist and yeah pretty ugly. | |
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lilgish said: Ignorance, and in this case "self-hatred" is not new or unique, but this is a real issue and not hysteria as some might think. The false machismo of hip-hop/thug culture makes this outing all the more scandalous.
Yes, but that's the "outer's" point. I think the duplicity and phoniness and homophobia constitute the stage on which her accusation was produced. But, the machismo (false and otherwise) you reference doesn't occur in a vacuum. Hip-hop resonates with young black men in a national culture that normally rewards images of fearless black men only in the arenas of entertainment and athleticism. Being a thug sells. Why? It's all a game of semantics. Replace "thug" with "rebel," and another layer of this becomes clearer. What is hip-hop? It's rock n'roll. So it taps into the rebelliousness of youth. Today's 50 Cent or Tupac image is little more than an update on what James Dean and Marlon Brando were doing half a century ago. Is the historical and ethnic context a little different? Sure, but it's the same machismo. The parallel extends to sexuality. Questions that have lingered about Dean's and Brando's sexual orientations carry the same whiff of scandal for a hip-hop figure today: Here's an oversimplified icon that bespeaks or evokes one set of emotions within a parochial, national backdrop, while the person behind the icon contains a myriad of dimensions. In the case of Dean and Brando, that complexity is seen as yet another manifestation of their genius. In the case of a Big Tigga (again, if the rumor is true[b]), it is greeted as something lesser and pathetic. And, to me, that illuminates an indictment not against hip-hop culture, but against American or Western culture as a whole. . [b][Edited 7/13/05 21:45pm] | |
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Hotlegs said: OnionJuice said: Terry McMillan's husband recently turned out to be gay. Other than that, its fucked up that "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" was based on their relationship (she's 52 and he's 30). If she makes a sequel to that shit, I think its gonna be all over for us guys. LOL! Cause you know movies that can influence women.
[Edited 7/12/05 0:39am] Exactly.Hell, after she released Waiting To Exhale, I couldn't get a sister to holler at me til 1997. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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meltwithu said: BlaqueKnight said: [b]This is all I'm saying. I've seen several posts attacking what I have said. The bottom line is that I refuse to believe that this "down low brother" syndrome is in epic proportions in the black community. I do believe the sensationalist media and the devils (black and white) that work in it are using it as a jumpoff for book sales, magazine sales and ratings. Black people as a CULTURE (we can discuss and argure the physiological aspects of race all day and night, but I'm speaking of black culture which is UNDENIABLE no matter how you look at it) has gone in a haphazard direction of addressing homosexuality in our community. It is this confusion that allows people to play on it, shroud it in mystery and scramble the numbers to create a paranoia that divides our sisters and brothers. i live in a city with a huge gay population, i have gay friends and i in no way try to avoid anyone because of their sexual preference. I don't care who is fucking who. I'm not involved, so I couldn't care less. I do care about my brothers that have been persecuted in this society as it is and I have no love for people with agendas who create mischief to stir people up and attempt to create confusion for their own personal profit or to push their own agenda through. Half the black men in the country ain't gay. If you think this, then you have been bamboozled and you need to check your paranoia level or go to the doctor and see abour getting yourself some Zyprexa or one of those other psycotropic drugs becaue your ass is PARANOID. I, for one am not falling for the okey doke. I see ImMyIdol isn't either. On the real, homosexuality in our community isn't an epidemic; it just may appear that way because we refuse to talk openly about it. It may appear that way to those who are homosexual because you are around more gays than others, but its still not epidemicly large. the voice of reason has spoken.... Tru dat....  By any means neccesary. There is no try either do or do not! - Malcom X & Yoda...lol | |
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OnionJuice said: thesexofit said: No stupid twats hanging around the dancefloors like vulters just staring at women thats for sure (i hate those posers).
Do have you have something against us?
Anyway, my homegirl got me up inside of a lesbian club once - at the time, I bought into the stereotypes of lesbianism, like lesbian bars being full of nothing but beautiful women, sexy ass female strippers and Im grabbing myself just picturing it. But reality hit, and none of the lesbian chicks were really hot...at all. Hell, most of them didnt even look like chicks. I even saw some of the college-fade lesbians mean mugging me from the floor up like they wanna throwdown, and they were checking out my homegirl (who was dressed like she just came off of the video of a video; hell, she was finest chick up in there) - it really wasnt no different then any other club. Other than a few feminie-acting guys and a bartender, I was the only guy up in there once, I couldnt wait to leave.  | |
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