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PrintableDavidEye said: jayaredee said: Before kaballah came into her life, Madonna always had religious imagery in her videos, concerts etc. and no one cared. Probably because it was Christian imagery, and christianity is mainstream. Kaballah is not as mainstream and people dismiss it because they don't understand what it is she's doing.
You bring up an interesting point.I wonder what people would be saying if Madonna embraced Christianity instead? No one would care. Besides, there are already over 1000 different versions of how to practice Christianity and it seems everyone says they're a christian but don't do a fucking thing the bible instructs. | |
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DavidEye said: jayaredee said: Before kaballah came into her life, Madonna always had religious imagery in her videos, concerts etc. and no one cared. Probably because it was Christian imagery, and christianity is mainstream. Kaballah is not as mainstream and people dismiss it because they don't understand what it is she's doing.
You bring up an interesting point.I wonder what people would be saying if Madonna embraced Christianity instead? People would be laughing too hard to say anything. | |
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I agree with Madonna on this much:
That one can be spiritual and become a better person. That one can be selfless and do good for others. That doesn't really reflect Madonna completely, nor many human beings. But i believe we can better ourselves. You don't need a religion to do that. I don't agree with religious groups. Specifically the Catholic church in which i was raised as was Madonna. I totally understand why she spat on it. It's hypocrisy the things they say, and the actions they take. If you don't partake in their faith, you'll go to hell. Is that really any way to live? | |
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jayaredee said: I agree with Madonna on this much:
That one can be spiritual and become a better person. That one can be selfless and do good for others. That doesn't really reflect Madonna completely, nor many human beings. But i believe we can better ourselves. You don't need a religion to do that. I don't agree with religious groups. Specifically the Catholic church in which i was raised as was Madonna. I totally understand why she spat on it. It's hypocrisy the things they say, and the actions they take. If you don't partake in their faith, you'll go to hell. Is that really any way to live? not that catholicism is my choice of religion but, yes, that is the way religions work. there is a God. He has rules. the specific religion claims to be the accurate interpreters of those rules. those who do not follow those rules will not be blessed by God's grace. that method of thought is not limited to catholicism OR christianity in general. that's one of the differences between philosophy and religion. [Edited 6/20/05 6:50am] | |
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jayaredee said: I agree with Madonna on this much:
That one can be spiritual and become a better person. That one can be selfless and do good for others. That doesn't really reflect Madonna completely, nor many human beings. But i believe we can better ourselves. You don't need a religion to do that. I don't agree with religious groups. Specifically the Catholic church in which i was raised as was Madonna. I totally understand why she spat on it. It's hypocrisy the things they say, and the actions they take. If you don't partake in their faith, you'll go to hell. Is that really any way to live? like I pointed out above...many of the Kabbalah ideas (being selfless and doing for others....destroying your ego and becoming a better person...etc) are universal themes that are embraced by other religions.But for some reason,Kabbalah gets criticized and labeled a "cult".If it is a cult,then so are all the other religions. | |
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SassyBritches said: jayaredee said: I agree with Madonna on this much:
That one can be spiritual and become a better person. That one can be selfless and do good for others. That doesn't really reflect Madonna completely, nor many human beings. But i believe we can better ourselves. You don't need a religion to do that. I don't agree with religious groups. Specifically the Catholic church in which i was raised as was Madonna. I totally understand why she spat on it. It's hypocrisy the things they say, and the actions they take. If you don't partake in their faith, you'll go to hell. Is that really any way to live? not that catholicism is my choice of religion but, yes, that is the way religions work. there is a God. He has rules. the specific religion claims to be the accurate interpreters of those rules. those who do not follow those rules will not be blessed by God's grace. that method of thought is not limited to catholicism OR christianity in general. that's one of the differences between philosophy and religion. [Edited 6/20/05 6:50am] Oh i know it applies to other religions too, i'm just more familiar with catholicism. I believe in a way, Madonna is following a religion. Because of the symbolism, red bracelet, etc. When i think of spirituality, i don't think of using symbols, accessories and all that. You would never catch me practicing a religion. I can hardly devout myself to a diet..... | |
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DavidEye said: jayaredee said: I agree with Madonna on this much:
That one can be spiritual and become a better person. That one can be selfless and do good for others. That doesn't really reflect Madonna completely, nor many human beings. But i believe we can better ourselves. You don't need a religion to do that. I don't agree with religious groups. Specifically the Catholic church in which i was raised as was Madonna. I totally understand why she spat on it. It's hypocrisy the things they say, and the actions they take. If you don't partake in their faith, you'll go to hell. Is that really any way to live? like I pointed out above...many of the Kabbalah ideas (being selfless and doing for others....destroying your ego and becoming a better person...etc) are universal themes that are embraced by other religions.But for some reason,Kabbalah gets criticized and labeled a "cult".If it is a cult,then so are all the other religions. Well kaballah isn't as mainstream or understood as christianity, budhism, hinduism or Islam. So i kind of understand. People think this is just some new made up faith, when it's actually been around before Christianity. [Edited 6/20/05 6:59am] | |
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DavidEye said: jayaredee said: I agree with Madonna on this much:
That one can be spiritual and become a better person. That one can be selfless and do good for others. That doesn't really reflect Madonna completely, nor many human beings. But i believe we can better ourselves. You don't need a religion to do that. I don't agree with religious groups. Specifically the Catholic church in which i was raised as was Madonna. I totally understand why she spat on it. It's hypocrisy the things they say, and the actions they take. If you don't partake in their faith, you'll go to hell. Is that really any way to live? like I pointed out above...many of the Kabbalah ideas (being selfless and doing for others....destroying your ego and becoming a better person...etc) are universal themes that are embraced by other religions.But for some reason,Kabbalah gets criticized and labeled a "cult".If it is a cult,then so are all the other religions. Kaballah gets labeled a cult because it is a trendy fad with celebrities and rich women with too much time on their hands. It also seems that you need money to practice it, since it is run like a business ($50 red thread bracelets?). | |
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Scorpion said: dreamfactory313 said: Why do religious people always want to push their cults on us?
 I don't know but they should stop... I agree. It's getting a little old. Enough already. | |
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VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said: like I pointed out above...many of the Kabbalah ideas (being selfless and doing for others....destroying your ego and becoming a better person...etc) are universal themes that are embraced by other religions.But for some reason,Kabbalah gets criticized and labeled a "cult".If it is a cult,then so are all the other religions. Kaballah gets labeled a cult because it is a trendy fad with celebrities and rich women with too much time on their hands. It also seems that you need money to practice it, since it is run like a business ($50 red thread bracelets?). Much like Scientology. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: Kaballah gets labeled a cult because it is a trendy fad with celebrities and rich women with too much time on their hands. It also seems that you need money to practice it, since it is run like a business ($50 red thread bracelets?). Much like Scientology. Right. Can you imagine the average person buying into scientology or kaballah? Not really. It is easy to become a practitioner/believer of Christianity, however. These esoteric bullshit fads for rich trendies will always be labeled cults, because they are not intended for the masses. [Edited 6/20/05 7:07am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: Much like Scientology. Right. Can you imagine the average person buying into scientology or kaballah? Not really. It is easy to become a practitioner/believer of Christianity, however. Madonna's next film project - Battlefield Earth: The Kabbalah Invasion | |
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VoicesCarry said: jayaredee said: And there is a lot of commotion now when she's studying kaballah. Anyways, your topic is based on a rumored title, and the rumored fragerance which has already been dismissed Good. Jenny and Britney can handle the branding, let Madonna handle the music. Mandy Moore has a new clothing line!  | |
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DavidEye said: Honestly,I agree with some of the things you say.But for me personally,it's just not a problem.I never even really think about Kabbalah.I enjoy Madonna's music and her amazing concerts,but I'm not too concerned with whether or not she is a "real" Kabbalist,or whether or not it's a celebrity cult,lol.It's her life.One thing I will say is....she seems much happier and fulfilled these days.She's at peace with herself.If Kabbalah (or her version of it) has something to do with that,then I am happy for her. That's pretty much how I feel about it. | |
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Which one of you guys is acko?
I seen you post Sassy's message on MadonnNation  | |
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jayaredee said: Which one of you guys is acko?
I seen you post Sassy's message on MadonnNation hooker, stop frontin'. you know you're "acko."
i love that someone called The Org "a Jehovah's Witness forum!" 
damn sticky "r" edit. [Edited 6/20/05 12:52pm] | |
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SassyBritches said: jayaredee said: Which one of you guys is acko?
I seen you post Sassy's message on MadonnNation hooke, stop frontin'. you know you're "acko."
i love that someone called The Org "a Jehovah's Witness forum!" whose hooke? | |
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jayaredee said: SassyBritches said: hooke, stop frontin'. you know you're "acko."
i love that someone called The Org "a Jehovah's Witness forum!" whose hooke? oops...s'posed to read: "hooker..." | |
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Whose acko?
They have a Prince avie on that site too | |
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SassyBritches said: jayaredee said: Which one of you guys is acko?
I seen you post Sassy's message on MadonnNation hooker, stop frontin'. you know you're "acko."
i love that someone called The Org "a Jehovah's Witness forum!"
damn sticky "r" edit. [Edited 6/20/05 12:52pm] oh my god, now you think it's me. I can only say it's not, but that's up for you to believe. I'm guessing it's either David or Chico | |
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i'm just teasing. relax, lol. i know there are plenty of madge fags that frequent both artists' sites. | |
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SassyBritches said: why the denial?
madonna's new "spiritual being" is manifest on songs like american life, hollywood, i'm so stupid, easy road, and many of the other new songs. wearing shirts that say "kabbalists do it better" and videos such the one for dia another day are evidence that madonna is pushing kabbalah into the public eye. let's not even get into all the imagery of the last tour or the photos from the latest ladies home journal (um, you know, the ones where she's reading the Torah in what looks to be an old library). should i even bother mentioning the references to the kabbalah center that come with the children's books? my "interest" in madonna's involvement with kabbalah is not because i think she's in a cult and needs to get out immediately. i just don't think she's studying true kabbalah. i think she - along with all these other celebrities (except maybe demi moore) who've jumped on the "got spirit" campaign - has found this psuedo-spiritual version of kabbalah and, in error, is presenting herself as a kabbalist. i've never once heard madonna speak of studying the torah. you don't just wake up one day and decide that because you've gone to a religious center you are suddenly that religion. the kabbalah center teaches that you don't even have to know hebrew to read the zorah. just look at the letters and you're connection with God is opened, so they say. this is ridiculous. anyway, someone mentioned above (cruzza, maybe) that because they are a fan and they don't see anything being pushed, then i must be mistaken. well, i've been a madonna fan since i was about 6 (yep, i was gay since i was a little kid, lol). i've followed her interviews, concerts, cds, public statements, etc. my mother, on the other hand hasn't nor have many of my friends. somehow, though, they all know that madonna is a self proclaimed kabbalist. i wonder how? oh yeah, i guess its all the media. madonna, her music, and her image building have nothing to do with it. c'mon...as madonna fans you guys should know by now that madonna only USES the media to help promote the image she is using at any given time. why would this suddenly change just because she's studying kabbalah? OK, I see what you're saying now, kind of. I fully understand how much madonna uses the media, and also how much she loves the sound of her own voice, but i dont accept the cynicism that greets every single thing she does in her personal life, I mean are we to believe she's a fucking machine or something??? I just find her too human to believe she could donate large chunks of her personal time and wealth, simply to claim association to the kabbalh in order to further her celebrity. It doesn't make sense? Bar a few images in videos / photos / live, i dont get the references in her work you speak of. American Life, Hollywood, im So Stupid aren't the manifestation of the kabbalah in her music, simply the signs of her maturing into a wiser human being. Ive mainly heard her refer to her children and marriage as the main contributing factors to this new outlook she has on life. Surely if Madonna is falsely proclaiming to be a true kabbalist, this is the fault of her teachers at this Kabbalah centre, rather than a conscious effort on her part to deceive the public into believing she's serious about something when shes not??? Also Im interested to know if it is the Kabbalah centre that is such a crock, how come Demi Moore is permitted to be serious about the Kabbalah when she too follows it? You say you never hear her talk about it so it must be personal to her, but I can't remember the last time i heard demi speak. Could it be that because madonna generates about 10,000 times more column inches, and hours and hours worth of air time than demi does, that we hear it refered to so much more???? | |
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Hollywood has a been a track that has been floating around within the Madonna camp for close to a decade... You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis | |
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