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PrintableNeoSoulScribe said: Why not? He stole damn near everything else.
such crap 
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NeoSoulScribe said: kisscamille said: Don't let it get to you Andykeen. Many people on this site don't think Elvis deserved any of the fame and fortune he acquired. The fact is, even though Elvis was not the orignator, if it wasn't for him and a few others, black musicians would've never gotten any recognition. Elvis helped bring music from blacks into the spotlight. Even though Elvis didn't invent funk, he is funky! So basically you're saying "Good thing Elvis stole a lot from Chuck Berry or else other Black artists wouldn't have made it" LOL! Good grief! That reasoning is ridiculous. Why call it stealing ? such crap !!  | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: funkpill said: TALK!!!  They don't wanna hear me, bruh. Ignorance is bliss far too often when it comes to speaking against Elvis. you're the one that's being ignorant  | |
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BOY!!!
The effect Elvis has on people..... 
He was at the right place at the right time to be titled, "King Of Rock N Roll"... 
And yep!!! Being white played its part too.... You could never talk about this, without giving its history.... | |
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Dewrede said: NeoSoulScribe said: Why not? He stole damn near everything else.
such crap
why can't whites sing blues or rock & roll ?! Show me where I said Whites can't sing Blues oor Rock? ALL I'm saying is give credit where credit is due and stop making Elvis out to be this big ORIGINATOR. Sting gives credit to Afro-Rhythms influencing his music. Teena Marie gives credit to Black soul singers. Ricky Martin gives credit to Afro-Cuban rhythms for his music. How come Elvis NEVER gave Chuck Berry credit, or ANY other Black pioneer of Rock N Roll? All I'm saying is, if you're gonna borrow GIVE THE RESPECT AND CREDIT from where you got it from. As HUGE as Elvis got NOT ONCE did he mention ANY of theBlack artists he "borrowed" from and that's what MOST of you guys are missing. PAY RESPECT, GODDAMMIT! Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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Dewrede said: NeoSoulScribe said: So basically you're saying "Good thing Elvis stole a lot from Chuck Berry or else other Black artists wouldn't have made it" LOL! Good grief! That reasoning is ridiculous. Why call it stealing ? such crap !! When you DON'T pay your RESPECTS or HOMAGE or ACKNOWLEDGE where you got something from, especially if you BLEW UP from it - IT'S FUCKING THIEVERY. No other way to cut it. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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Dewrede said: NeoSoulScribe said: They don't wanna hear me, bruh. Ignorance is bliss far too often when it comes to speaking against Elvis. you're the one that's being ignorant Am I? YOU'RE the one that seems to think there's nothnig wrong that Elvis never gave any props to the Black artists he stole from. Ignorant is YOU. Open ya eyes, brudduh. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: Dewrede said: such crap
why can't whites sing blues or rock & roll ?! Show me where I said Whites can't sing Blues oor Rock? ALL I'm saying is give credit where credit is due and stop making Elvis out to be this big ORIGINATOR. Sting gives credit to Afro-Rhythms influencing his music. Teena Marie gives credit to Black soul singers. Ricky Martin gives credit to Afro-Cuban rhythms for his music. How come Elvis NEVER gave Chuck Berry credit, or ANY other Black pioneer of Rock N Roll? All I'm saying is, if you're gonna borrow GIVE THE RESPECT AND CREDIT from where you got it from. As HUGE as Elvis got NOT ONCE did he mention ANY of theBlack artists he "borrowed" from and that's what MOST of you guys are missing. PAY RESPECT, GODDAMMIT! really? did you not see the "whitewashing elvis" thread where there was an inteview with Elvis from 1957 in jet magazine where he talked about his black influences? PAY ATTENTION GODDAMMIT! | |
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funkpill said: BOY!!!
The effect Elvis has on people.....
He was at the right place at the right time to be titled, "King Of Rock N Roll"...
And yep!!! Being white played its part too.... You could never talk about this, without giving its history.... Like I said. On my short time of being a member here, I've noticed here you can talk about ANYTHING but when it comes to race issues - People want the Black side of the conversation to shut up. They expect Blacks to close their eyes and not say anything when you speak against one of their icons. Fuck that, I will always speak my mind, no matter how much the truth hurts those that refuse to acknowledge. Fuck them too. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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byronic said: NeoSoulScribe said: Show me where I said Whites can't sing Blues oor Rock? ALL I'm saying is give credit where credit is due and stop making Elvis out to be this big ORIGINATOR. Sting gives credit to Afro-Rhythms influencing his music. Teena Marie gives credit to Black soul singers. Ricky Martin gives credit to Afro-Cuban rhythms for his music. How come Elvis NEVER gave Chuck Berry credit, or ANY other Black pioneer of Rock N Roll? All I'm saying is, if you're gonna borrow GIVE THE RESPECT AND CREDIT from where you got it from. As HUGE as Elvis got NOT ONCE did he mention ANY of theBlack artists he "borrowed" from and that's what MOST of you guys are missing. PAY RESPECT, GODDAMMIT! really? did you not see the "whitewashing elvis" thread where there was an inteview with Elvis from 1957 in jet magazine where he talked about his black influences? PAY ATTENTION GODDAMMIT! No. Do you have a link? Share it. So you can put this debate completely to rest. See, I don't trust people for saying "It was in this article" unless I can read it myself, and your track record since I've seen you post here has been kinda shady and suspect. You make up a lot of things. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: byronic said: really? did you not see the "whitewashing elvis" thread where there was an inteview with Elvis from 1957 in jet magazine where he talked about his black influences? PAY ATTENTION GODDAMMIT! No. Do you have a link? Share it. So you can put this debate completely to rest. See, I don't trust people for saying "It was in this article" unless I can read it myself, and your track record since I've seen you post here has been kinda shady and suspect. You make up a lot of things. The link is in this thread already. Scroll up. | |
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NeoSoulScribe said: byronic said: really? did you not see the "whitewashing elvis" thread where there was an inteview with Elvis from 1957 in jet magazine where he talked about his black influences? PAY ATTENTION GODDAMMIT! No. Do you have a link? Share it. So you can put this debate completely to rest. See, I don't trust people for saying "It was in this article" unless I can read it myself, and your track record since I've seen you post here has been kinda shady and suspect. You make up a lot of things. all you had to do was scroll down the page a little, but here's the link http://www.prince.org/msg/8/144714 it's near halfway through the thread, it's a photocopy of the original magazine. | |
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VoicesCarry said: NeoSoulScribe said: No. Do you have a link? Share it. So you can put this debate completely to rest. See, I don't trust people for saying "It was in this article" unless I can read it myself, and your track record since I've seen you post here has been kinda shady and suspect. You make up a lot of things. The link is in this thread already. Scroll up. The link to the Jet article? Where is it here? Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: VoicesCarry said: The link is in this thread already. Scroll up. The link to the Jet article? Where is it here? In lilgish's post. 
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NeoSoulScribe said: VoicesCarry said: I find this a very odd statement, legs. Don't you think that playing music, no matter its origin, is "natural" for a musician? Or are you saying that it is only "natural" if blacks play "black" music, and whites play "white" music, etc.? [Edited 6/17/05 11:09am] Well, for the most part we're all products of our environment. Now when you consider SEGREGATION, Blacks had no real interaction with Whites so they played what they played, it just so happened to become a "Black" sound so to speak. Same goes for any group of people. We're discussing Ray Charles here. At that point there was very real interaction between white and black musicians. I don't see how it is only "natural" if Ray plays music of black origin, anyway. [Edited 6/17/05 14:03pm] | |
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I noticed he gave props to Billy Kenny. That's a start. I couldn't read the rest of it cuz it was blurred. Who else did he mention? And please don't make up any names, if you don't know just leave it at that. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: Why not? He stole damn near everything else.
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VoicesCarry said: NeoSoulScribe said: Well, for the most part we're all products of our environment. Now when you consider SEGREGATION, Blacks had no real interaction with Whites so they played what they played, it just so happened to become a "Black" sound so to speak. Same goes for any group of people. We're discussing Ray Charles here. At that point there was very real interaction between white and black musicians. I don't see how it is only "natural" if Ray plays music of black origin, anyway. [Edited 6/17/05 14:03pm] Now THAT I agree. For the most part, MOST White musicians didn't give a damn, they just wanted to jam with the best, Black or White. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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NeoSoulScribe said: I noticed he gave props to Billy Kenny. That's a start. I couldn't read the rest of it cuz it was blurred. Who else did he mention? And please don't make up any names, if you don't know just leave it at that.
Presley is frank about his own contributions to the medium. "A lot of people seem to think I started this business," he muses, "but rock 'n' roll was here a long time before I came along. Nobody can sing that kind of music like colored people. Let's face it: I can't sing it like Fats Domino can. I know that. But I always liked that kind of music. I used to go to the colored churches when I was a kid - like Rev. Brewester's church (Rev. W. Herbert Brewster of East Trigg Ave. Baptist Church in Memphis) | |
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kisscamille said: andykeen said: Stole
[Edited 6/17/05 9:39am] Don't let it get to you Andykeen. Many people on this site don't think Elvis deserved any of the fame and fortune he acquired. The fact is, even though Elvis was not the orignator, if it wasn't for him and a few others, black musicians would've never gotten any recognition. Elvis helped bring music from blacks into the spotlight. Even though Elvis didn't invent funk, he is funky! And this is why I love you. :kisses:Camille | |
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VoicesCarry said: NeoSoulScribe said: I noticed he gave props to Billy Kenny. That's a start. I couldn't read the rest of it cuz it was blurred. Who else did he mention? And please don't make up any names, if you don't know just leave it at that.
Presley is frank about his own contributions to the medium. "A lot of people seem to think I started this business," he muses, "but rock 'n' roll was here a long time before I came along. Nobody can sing that kind of music like colored people. Let's face it: I can't sing it like Fats Domino can. I know that. But I always liked that kind of music. I used to go to the colored churches when I was a kid - like Rev. Brewester's church (Rev. W. Herbert Brewster of East Trigg Ave. Baptist Church in Memphis) he also mentions the debt he owes to Authur (Big Boy) Crudup and how his vocal style influenced Elvis. | |
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VoicesCarry said: NeoSoulScribe said: The link to the Jet article? Where is it here? In lilgish's post.
[Edited 6/17/05 14:00pm] This is cool and all.... But its usually the masses who put Elvis on a pedestal..... | |
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VoicesCarry said: NeoSoulScribe said: I noticed he gave props to Billy Kenny. That's a start. I couldn't read the rest of it cuz it was blurred. Who else did he mention? And please don't make up any names, if you don't know just leave it at that.
Presley is frank about his own contributions to the medium. "A lot of people seem to think I started this business," he muses, "but rock 'n' roll was here a long time before I came along. Nobody can sing that kind of music like colored people. Let's face it: I can't sing it like Fats Domino can. I know that. But I always liked that kind of music. I used to go to the colored churches when I was a kid - like Rev. Brewester's church (Rev. W. Herbert Brewster of East Trigg Ave. Baptist Church in Memphis) If that's a true quote, then I give Elvis MUCH RESPECT for saying that. Silent shouts, I hope you hear
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funkpill said: VoicesCarry said: In lilgish's post.
[Edited 6/17/05 14:00pm] This is cool and all.... But its usually the masses who put Elvis on a pedestal..... Right, so I don't see why Elvis gets the blame for the collective racism/stupidity of much of white America at the time. It's just a myth that has persisted since. [Edited 6/17/05 14:30pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: funkpill said: This is cool and all.... But its usually the masses who put Elvis on a pedestal..... Right, so I don't see why Elvis gets the blame for the collective racism/stupidity of much of white America at the time. It's just a myth that has persisted since. [Edited 6/17/05 14:30pm] That has been my arguement all along.... | |
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funkpill said: VoicesCarry said: Right, so I don't see why Elvis gets the blame for the collective racism/stupidity of much of white America at the time. It's just a myth that has persisted since. [Edited 6/17/05 14:30pm] That has been my arguement all along.... 
Some people spew such vitriol the man's way for something that was beyond his control. [Edited 6/17/05 14:42pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: funkpill said: That has been my arguement all along....
Some people spew such vitriol the man's way for something that was beyond his control. [Edited 6/17/05 14:42pm] Back at cha' my friend..... | |
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