GeishaGirl said:

I'm not gonna write another long response even though I could. Suffice to say that my point is that there was enough "cause" to bring the case to trial in spite of the credibility issues of the accusers. It was the jury's responsibility to decide whose story, Michael's or the accuser's, was more credible, and they did, so it's a done deal. I was talking more about the malicioius prosecution suit that Meseareau threatened against Sneddon.

But I will say this, if the family feels that Sneddon violated Michael's rights, then they should proceed with the suit. The bottom line is NO ONE really knows for sure how this case was researched investigated,or organized. No one really knows for certain why Sneddon aggressively searched Michael's home. In addition, no one can be sure of the D.A.'s motivation to pursue Michael. If there is any question, the family needs to find out particularly if the state allowed itself to be scammed by this "grifter" family, supported by a tunnel-visioned, obsessed prosecutor, blinded possibly by his own pride and narrow-mindedness.

Oh, I think that they should go after Nancy Grace and CourtTV, too. There has got to be some civil rights violation there???? Maybe not, but worth a shot.

I just think rather than taking on this defiant, but nonetheless "everybody is persecuting Michael" stance, the Jackson family just needs to settle the whole damn thing. Clear his name, once and for all.
[Edited 6/16/05 13:02pm]

Isel said:

I think MJ should move on as well, I don't think going after the prosecution is a good idea. My main problem with this case is that through a fucked up California law the prosecution was allowed to use evidence against MJ from previous allegations where he was never charged with a crime, the majority of previous victims were saying they weren't molested and one didn't show up. That was unfair in my opinion and thank god that the jury saw through all that crap.
[Edited 6/16/05 14:45pm]

Filing a malicious prosecution claim will require that the evidence against Jackson be REINTRODUCED in court. It is also very possible that some evidence that was inadmissible at trial could be admissible to show that the DA had probable cause to try MJ.

Sneddon may very well say, "PLEASE don't throw in dat dere briarpatch, Thriller! Please?!?!?!!"

Damita Jo

Now I know there's a conspiracy going on with these avatars! Marrk's is the only one on this thread!

namepeace said:

I know. I was trying to be sarcastic. I addressed the reasons that a malicious prosecution suit was inappropriate in my earlier long post a little further back in the thread. By suggesting that the family should proceed with the suit,I guess the point that I was trying to make is that neither Jermaine nor Mesereau for that matter should threaten action that is near impossible to carry-out. Mesereau's suggestions were completely ridiculous: in fact,taking an action like that might be malicious prosecution by the JACKSON camp. There was NO basis for a civil action against the prosecution regardless of questions concerning collection of evidence, investigation of the accuser's background, and evidence collection. There WAS probable cause in spite of everything wrong with the case and the personalities involved. But if Michael's team is gonna continue with this vendetta business, conspriracy theory, or whatever, well just do something about it, ya know??? Once again, it's a matter of being "realistic."

But I agree it would just be a waste of time, and definitely not worth rehashing the case. Ya know what, I just hope that in time EVERYTHING works out for EVERYBODY. It was a tough situation for all concerned and a tragedy for all in some respects.

So now, I'm finished with discussing this case and the Jackson family for a while. I'd rather just discuss music.

Isel said:

Fair enough, tho my comments weren't directed at anyone in particular. I'd seen the Jackson family (shameless as they are, ironically using MJ for their own gain, AGAIN) talk about this in the papers and it's absurd.

lilgish said:

Janet is giving you that Jackson jawline.


This picture makes me think of when Jermaine said he and Janet waited upstairs in a room of the courthouse while the verdict was being read (only 6 family memebers are allowed in the courtroom). Janet was pacing, then they heard screaming outside and he went to the window and saw the fans and the doves being released. Good to have big dark glasses in case the verdict went the other way.

Juror Meets Michael's Parents

Paulina Coccoz (46), a female juror, told of an incident when she accidentally came to a face-to-face with the parents of Michael Jackson about two weeks ago. She said she received the shock of her life when the entertainer's parents dropped in to buy some food at her deli workplace in Solvang, California. Initially she thought Joseph and Katherine Jackson had come into the supermarket to intimidate her, before she quickly realised that the situation was just an uncomfortable coincidence for all concerned.

And obvioulsy she wasn't the only one in shock - Joe Jackson was so surprised he couldn't stop staring at her.

"I looked beyond the counter and saw Michael Jackson's mother and father. I'd seen them in court that morning.

I could tell by their looks that they both recognised me. Their faces said, 'We know who you are.'

I went over and said, 'Can I help you with anything?' Joe just gave me this peer through his beedy eyes over the counter. He was just standing there looking at me.

Joe's stare was only for about 20 seconds, but it was the longest 20 seconds of my life. He then walked away down an aisle, you could tell he was real deep in thought.

A lot of things went through my mind, like how did they know where I worked? The situation was very uncomfortable.

The manager asked me to slice some baloney for a customer and when I looked over it was Mr Jackson.

Jackson's mother looked very nervous. But then they grabbed the package and nearly stumbled over themselves to leave.

They were probably thinking, 'The life of my son is in the hands of a deli worker.'

If they'd have said something about Michael, I would have pretended I didn't hear. Nothing they could have said would have changed my mind about the case."
[Edited 6/16/05 21:30pm]

kremlinshadow said:

Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela are GREAT men who have unselfishly lived their lives and died (MLK)fighting for the civil rights of their people. Michael Jackson may write a couple checks here and there (and the fact that these checks are tax deductable isn't wasted on me) but, you NEED to realize, seeing that you love MJ so much that Martin Luther King DOES have significance in your life. First of all, you're posting on a website for fans of a black man. Secondly, MJ may not have ever been such a huge star or even a star at all had it not been for the Civil Rights movement here in America. I'm not sure how old you are, where you're from, or if you know anything about American history (fyi- I don't mean the album) but, for you or MJ to even make such comparisons is very ignorant and arrogant on his part.

VanitySixx said:

Sure. But Michael Jackson is one of the most important cultural icons of the 20th Century. As a character and a person who contributed greatly how we perceive the cultural climate all across the globe. In a way he did indeed change the world, with his status it was inescapable. In impact he surely surpasses Mandela. I don't think you could rightly compare him to any other figure than, say, Hitler.

lilgish said:

I'll bet there's no seat on that bike.....

lilgish said:

OMG look at that chin....! She's aging rapidly...

COPY AND PASTE JOB FROM A MEMBER AT AN MJ BOARD

The Spanish Show "Aqui Y Ahora"

Wow..
JEsus Salas said things he never said during the trial
Says MJ never gave GAvin wine or alcohol... never saw the Arvizos sleep in Mj's bedroom.. they slept everywhere.. Janet Arvizo was always in the RANCH...
never ...was kidnapped... the ARvizos... were always happy... says that he saw Gavin running around NEverland with his brother... and they went to places they weren't supposed to.. when MJ wasn't there... that they could of grab the alcohol themselves like other maids said.. cuz HE never saw MJ give alcohol to minors.. or never saw MJ invite children to his room... while drunk or invite children to his room to give them alcohol... wtf2.gif says the mother left the ranch one night... and came back.. he said the MOTher told him she wanted to leave.. cuz she wasn't please with people AROUND MJ.... and she told him that she left..cuz the GERMANS were going to get her... Jesus..says... she lied..cuz the GERMANS weren't there that night.. that she supposedly fled...
Jesus Salas said Mj treated the Arvizos kids... like he treated any other child in neverland... always respectful and compasionate.. the 20 years he was there.. never saw MJ act innappropriate with any child... says MJ used to drink a lot.. but feels that maybe that isn't so right now...says MJ needs to stop having kids in his room.. or more things like this can happen to him again....
WHY SALAS NEVER SAID THIS IN COURT
anyway moving along...
Masada was in the show.. talking CRAp.. saying that the MOther was never for money.. cuz many other comedians.. offered her Houses...and she never took their offer he says the mother always told him...to give the money and the blank checks back..that she only wanted PRAYERS rolleyes.gif Yeah righ!!! a censored.gif le also said that he called Neverland..and SPOKE TO MJ IN PERSON TO GET HIM TO CALL GAVIN wtf2.gif AND THat the next day... Mj called GAVIN... laugh.gif

Juror number 2 :Says he didn't have an opinion about MJ...but now.. he feels MJ is a sweet man...and a caring person.. that he wouldn't hurt a child.. believes MJ has never done anything to any child.. says.. that he wishes MJ dont have sleepovers again..so people don't take advantage of this.. SAYS THAT MOST OF THE JURORS.. BELIEVED MJ IS INNOCENT.. that he put his vote in ..not only for reasonable doubt.. but that he feels mj is innocent.. says 4 jurors had doubts... about 1993 buy the rest didn't believe.. despite the settlements.. including HIM...
says that the mother was a liar and so were the children.. the mother... lied in Jc pennny and had those kids to lie.. he felt insulted.. when she winked at him..and told him about our culture.. saying.. YOu know how our culture is.. we do the best to get our point.. says he was upset and disgusted..and thought.. WE ARE NOT like that.. says GAVIN changed his story too many times..and so did the other members of the family... says... that the boy was only honest when proclaiming his LOVE FOR MJ ON THE STAND.. that was the only time he sounded honest... eviltongue.gif he knew when those kids were lying..
says he would never have allowed anybody on that jury to send MJ to jail for this .... says that he explained to others.. that 1993 wasn't the reason.. why MJ was on trial.. reminded them what Melville told them.. only to use it as propensity.. that's all... Indicates.. he is now on MJ's side.. that they only wanted to get him on money.. says the family had a history of FALSE CLAIMS.... spaz.gif


EX FRIENDS OF THE ARVIZOSa family of 4 spoke to the reporter..and said THAT GAVIN SAID MJ WAS THE BEST.. the daughter said.. that GAvin told her.. NONE OF THE ACCUSATIONS WERE TRUE...that Mj never did anything to him He denied it when asked.
said the family was always praising MJ... THEY don't talk to them anymore after they moved.. they said that MJ SAVED THAT KID... not only with MOney..but with spiritual and mental healing blush.gif says they believed THEY LIED agaisnt MJ.. for they always denied any wrong doing.. especially when the girl ... daughter of the couple asked GAvin Directly about what was being said..and GAvin said MJ never Touched me

In conclusion... Mez did a hell of a job... that JUROR number 2 is now a new MJ fan..and Mez mouth piece..


any spanish speaker see this?

Day after verdict

He looks happy.

The accuser was lying. His mother was lying. These charges should have never been brought. It was ridiculous just like Messeareu said it was.

kremlinshadow said:

And people don't believe me when I say MJ fans are fucked up...

lilgish said:

Wow, great pics, looks like Gavin, instead of Michael Jackson, likes girls, and he likes girls of his own age...
[Edited 6/17/05 8:44am]

lilgish said:

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Poor lamb. He looks distraught, unable to get out of bed, scared to leave the house or go to school.





wait a minute!



Fucking grifter. he'll still make money out of this, the little lying bastard.
[Edited 6/17/05 12:37pm]

Marrk said:

Poor lamb. He looks distraught, unable to get out of bed, scared to leave the house or go to school.





wait a minute!



Fucking grifter. he'll still make money out of this, the little lying bastard.
[Edited 6/17/05 12:37pm]
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Yeah, he looks as distraught as Michael when we started dancing and waving on the roof of his car.....

SquirrelMeat said:

Did Michael even dance on his car? From what I remember, he just stood on top of the car and waved.

Same with the term "dangling" when he held Blanket over the balcony. Was it really dangling? It's not as if he had the kid by one finger.

The media sure likes to blow things out of proportion.

*end rant*

squiddyren said:

Hmmm. So lets make this clear. You think it was overhyped and/or wrongly reported when we all saw MJ place a baby over the natural safety barrier of a balcony?

kremlinshadow said:

I just wanted to push this back up to the top so everybody can see how fucking ignorant this statement is. Are you black? Do you care about the civil rights of black people? To say they have no significance...oh my god, you gave me a fucking headache.

krayzie said:

Some MJ fans are indeed fucked up but so are some Prince fans.

DavidEye said:

Agreed. As usual, your post is dead-on accurate.

Thomas Mesereau was on Leno. If you want to check it out, go to www.latebyte.nl. You have to register and then download the torrent link.

BlueNote

Jun 17, 10:04 PM (ET)

By RYAN PEARSON

BURBANK, Calif. (AP) - Jay Leno greeted Michael Jackson's defense attorney with a mock swearing-in on "The Tonight Show" Friday, then mostly played nice after months of making the entertainer the target of monologue jokes.

Leno, a defense witness in Jackson's molestation trial, delivered only one gentle gibe at the pop star's faltering career before interviewing Thomas Mesereau Jr.

Referring to a rumor that Jackson could start a show in Las Vegas, Leno joked in his monologue, "He's going to be playing Diana Ross in the 'Legends Show.'"

The comic turned serious when questioning Mesereau, who called Jackson a "misunderstood" musician who could never hurt a child or conceive of holding a family hostage.

Jackson, 46, was acquitted of charges earlier this week that he molested a boy at his Neverland Ranch, gave him alcohol and conspired to hold his family captive. He has not spoken publicly since the trial ended.

"Michael Jackson is an artist. He's a creative spirit. He likes to sit in a tree and compose music," said Mesereau, who wore all black and barely cracked a smile during the interview.

Mesereau attacked prosecutor Tom Sneddon, saying "he had a personal vendetta" and "mischaracterized the case from day one." He said Sneddon had been searching for accusers since a previous case fell apart after the boy's family accepted a multimillion dollar settlement from Jackson.

"It was like an open casting call on Michael Jackson. The best they could come up with was this family, which we thoroughly discredited from A to Z," Mesereau said.

He characterized Jackson's 1994 settlement as "really insignificant money given what he was making" but said it was a mistake.

"All this money was spinning all around him, and he got taken advantage of," Mesereau said. After the settlement, he said, "others thought they could get an easy pay day as well."

Mesereau praised the jury as "strong willed, independent and open minded."

"We got some very honorable, courageous people, and they did the right thing," he said.

Leno asked Mesereau why Jackson needed to be rushed to a hospital emergency room several times during the trial despite his seemingly large number of aides.

"There's the umbrella guy, there's the magician. Why isn't there a doctor?" Leno asked. Mesereau said he didn't know, but added that Jackson's stress-related back problem was serious.

"Michael was not emotionally built for this type of process: month after month, sitting in the courtroom, listening to this nonsense being thrown at him," he said.

Leno testified at Jackson's trial in May that he became suspicious of effusive and seemingly scripted phone messages he received in 2000 from the boy who would later accuse Jackson of molestation.

http://apnews.myway.com//...O2BG0.html

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Juror Attends Jackson Family's Big Party By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special
2 hours, 13 minutes ago



SANTA YNEZ, Calif. - Michael Jackson's family and fans — and at least one of the jurors who acquitted him of child molestation — gathered Friday night for a huge party that was billed as a celebration of thanks.

The pop star himself, who has not appeared in public since his 14-week trial ended Monday, was nowhere in sight.

Among the approximately 400 people who arrived at the Chumash Indian Casino was juror Pauline Coccoz. When she walked into the casino and heard Jackson's music playing, Coccoz said, the enormity of what had transpired hit her.

"They were playing 'Beat It,' and I almost started to cry," she said as she waited to enter the showroom. She said that earlier in the day, she had received a wristband needed for admission to the party.

The crowd erupted in cheers as Jackson's mother, Katherine, arrived to the sounds of the song "I'll Be There." She came on stage at the end of the show to thank her son's fans from around the world for their support.

"We couldn't have done it without you," Katherine Jackson said as her son Tito stood next to her, his hand on her shoulder.

Others spotted arriving for the show included defense attorney Robert Sanger and Jackson's magician friend, who calls himself Majestic Magnificent.

Reporters were kept out of the showroom, and an Associated Press reporter who got inside briefly was escorted out by tribal police. Casino officials said they had orders from the Jackson family to keep all journalists out.

Tito Jackson has been performing periodically at the casino, and he had been scheduled to appear Friday night before it was decided to turn the show into what one of his band members called a celebration of thanks.

Coccoz said that when someone gave her the wristbands she decided to bring her family, partly as a public display of her confidence in the jury's verdict.

After the trial ended Monday, Coccoz, 45, was among the jurors who criticized the testimony of the accuser's mother. Coccoz also questioned the woman's parenting choices.

"What mother in her right mind would ... just freely volunteer your child to sleep with someone, and not so much Michael Jackson but anyone, for that matter?" Coccoz said Monday.


sidenote: This Juror had a masters degree, she also mad a point in the press conference to say that the prior 1108 victim were "alleged", you can tell she didn't believe it. This chick was tough and never believed shit, Orth, who is a cunt, did say that this lady and two other women smiled often a Jackson.....

dorgish said:

ANYONE NOTICE THIS