OnionJuice said:

'Rhythym and Blues' has lost it's way to the point that an 18yr old kid doesn't know what the hell you're talking about unless you call it frigging R&B. Seriously.

Trapped in the closet
Girl you using them hangers
In such a sexy way
Work the horizontal clothes pole
I could watch you all day
Rub up on the shoe racks
Baby let me see you squirm
Come to daddy baby
Now it's my turn

Stymie said:

Do you know me to even me sayin some dumb shit like "I know more about R&B music in my pinkie toe than you know in your entire body." Hell, no y'all dont.

And I wasn't talkin about you & Stymie specifically when I see muthafuckas on this board dissin R&B - read that shit again cause I was talking people on this board in general.

I know Isley Brothers has have been before R. Kelly was born. No shit, slay yourself even telling me that. What I was saying was that R. Kelly even gave them songs as great as they are. I cant fucking believe that you didn't understand that.

And R. Kellys been around for over a decade (he first came out in 1990) making hits that many of us R&B lovers consider classics. Now YOU yourself may not consider them classics that R. Kelly's songs are classics, but millions of other people do. If you can respest that, then please dismiss yourself this discussion.

Listen if you're one of these people who dont like the way the music has evolved, then this all is pointless.

VoicesCarry said:

Those aint even real lyrics. Just proves my point that y'all none of make valid points.

Marrk said:

You're one of them people who dont like the way music as an evolve...WHICH I can agree with you on cause a lot of R&B arists now days just make gibberish music. But that aint the kinda of R. Kelly makes most of the time though - and I say that cause "Thoia Thong" was gibberish.

OnionJuice said:

I have zero problem with R&B evolving but in the case of R Kelly, it's gone straight to hell. He's the King? Then there is no fucking hope for R&B. The rest of your post: the slaying part was funny. Look: If you know a lot about R&B and can be happy with the turn it has taken, then I'm jealous because I believe R&B music today sucks major ass. Those truly deserving to sit atop that perch will never get it.

OnionJuice said:

Those lyrics are no worse than the lyrics at the top of the page.

Stymie said:

Hey newbie - you look like someone I useta know...

FunkMistress said:

Hey baby.

Stymie said:

Stymie said:

Yeah, I did. In case you scrolled right past it, I broke what a genius really was and R. Kelly would indentify with the meanings.

Stymie said:

Name one? Okay, str8 off the top of my head - "I Believe I Can Fly".

The general public knows R. Kelly has more classics. For example, the "12 Play" album is known classic to R&B listeners. THats like common sense, everybody knows that.

And it sounded like you contradicted yourself the other time because to said that you knew a classic song when you heard one, then you went on to say how you like your songs with funk to it. Thus, making it sound like a song would have to be of your taste in order for it to be a classic.

Stymie said:

You've got to be kidding me. The lyrics at the top of the page (Trapped In The Closet) make way more sense then whatever the fuck those VoicesCarry posted (which arent really R. Kelly lyrics). Are you for real? Really, let me know. Cause you are, thats pathetic. At least that'll say alot about the quality of your taste of music and we can end this discussion.



What is this "slaying part" you're talkin?

Anyway, y'all still dont what the fuck y'all talkin about. Y'all just listen to whatever songs he has the radio instead of the songs he has on his album. And yeah, R. Kelly's the King of R&B. Aint nobody else right now putting in work like him.

I cant believe y'all are denying R. Kelly's genius. It aint like Im tryna convince y'all that Usher is a genius.

OnionJuice said:

Come on now. I like my songs with funk in them but I still know that the Beatles Revolver album is a classic. Common sense that 12Play is a classic? Okay, if you say so.

VoicesCarry has posted lyrics before and many folks couldn't tell if they were true R. Kelly lyrics or not. Maybe VoicesCarry is genius.

Stymie said:

You say that the Beatles Revolver album is a classic. You see, thats saids alot about you.

If I say so? No brah, anybody that loves R&B will tell you its a classic. But if you're one of those who dont like R. Kelly or R&B of 20th century, then I guess you have a right to say it aint a classic, but just realize one thing, you're gonna sound real ignorant.
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JackieBlue said:

Those arent R. Kelly's lyrics, trust me I know. But if VoicesCarry is a genius for coming up with those lyrics then there is not hope for music in general.

OnionJuice said:[quote]

Stymie said:

Dude, those lyrics at the top of the page are garbage. The fact that the R can impress his fans with the same triflin' ass lyrics kills me.

I was laughing at the part of your post where you said I should slay myself.

I do not listen to the bullshit that is urban radio because they do nothing but play shit like all four parts of Trapped In The Closet back to back, which is the same story, as Down Low, Contagious, that song with JS and Ron Isley, etc.

As far as listening to an R Kelly album, that man will never get a penny of my money and the fact that people buy his shit when he fucks little girls in real life and disses women on wax will never fail to amaze me.

OnionJuice said:

OnionJuice, this may sound ignorant to you, but 12Play is not a classic. You may not respect my opinion on that but there may be someone else in this forum: Harle, finess, Blackguitaritz who will tell you the same thing. There is nothing classic about :Spread your legs apart, feel me I'm so hard.

OnionJuice said:[quote]

Stymie said:

Is it not enough for you he sells albums by the boatload, he's all over the charts and on the radio all the time? Why can't you be happy and content with that? 'Genius' is such an overused term. It's lost all it's meaning anyway.

Why is it that anytime somebody is purely satisfactory at what they do, they automatically have to be labelled a genius. Christ almighty it's annoying. I don't actually believe any artist or band that has ever existed is really worthy of the title.

Now those people that the kids sang about on Stevie Wonder's 'Black Man' were geniuses. They saved lives, changed minds and thought processes, built nations, invented things that had repurcussions for the entire world hundreds of years later. Not one of them peed in an underaged girls mouth either.

but if you insist, in a world full of geniuses, R Kelly is just one of several million.

Stymie said:

For the second time already - WHAT IS ALL OF THIS "SLAY" SHIT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT????? I never said you should "slay" yourself. It really aint that serious, brah. Where did I say anything about "slaying" yourself??? Gimmie a quote.

And see, you dont what the fuck you're talkin about. R. Kelly doesnt sing the same lyrics over and over. Like I said before, you're just making yourself sound more and more ignorant speaking something you dont know shit about.

And if you dont listen to urban radio, then just how the fuck do you know that they play all parts of Trapped In The Closet back to back?? That another contradiction that you're made today. And of course, its is the SAME STORY, but its different parts of the story - I shouldnt even have to explain to you.


"Contagious" was a sequal to "Down Low" (he got busted with his bosses wife); but "Trapped In The Closet" is a completely different story (he wakes up in another woman's bed and so on...). And yeah, I think R. Kelly is guilty of fuckin that underage girl, but that doesnt mean he's not a genius music-wise. And you're STILL not saying anything valid.

OnionJuice said:

FYI, R Kelly "borrowed" his idea for his closet saga from a lengendary R&B singer named Roy C. He has two songs called "Peepin Through The Window" and "Saved By The Bell" that tell similar stories...R. kelly didn't innovate a DAMN thing...That Oedipus Rex is overrated and FAR from a genius. Anyone that compares him & the crap he calls music to Marvin Gaye is mentally deficient.

Marrk said:

When surrounded by low-level entertainment it's easy for mediocrity to seem genius. That's evident in many areas.

OnionJuice said:

can YOU?

Stymie said:

Listen, its doesnt what you you, Harle, finess or Blackguitaritz think. Just because y'all dont think its a classic doesnt mean it fact. Y'all dont like 12 Play. 12Play is a classic because all of the songs on that muthafucka were tight, so fuck what you sayin. I really dont think you nothing about R&B classics of 20th century, man. Im thoroughly into urban music and nothing else, so I know what fuck Im talkin about. But I'll admit that I set myself up by discussing this shit on this board cause this is board full of mostly ol' timers and rock/pop fans and shit. Im like one of the only real R&B/rap fans here.

Like me tell you something. You said that the "The Beatles Revolver" album is a classic. By you saying, that lets me further know where your real interests are in music. The Beatles are a rock band. Im not into the Beatles, but y'all saying R. Kelly ain't a genius is like me sayin Beatles aint genius.

FunkMistress said:

omggggg....

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Im not the one who made that statement that about where R. Kelly would musically in the next 10 years. So, get up off mine.

PAPAROBBIE said:

I never said R Kelly innovated the art of story-telling.

And you calling my mentally deficient. Fuck you, bitch.

OnionJuice said:

but you are the cat who's swearing up & down that arruh is more or less The Second Coming of the r & b world. people are basically handing your ass to you on a platter left and right, but yet n'still you haven't really come up with definitive answers and/or counterpoints to what you have been testifying thus far about r. kelly NOT being the genius that you feel he is. all you seem to be doin is lashing out at people and personally attackin 'em, which you shouldn't be doin.

if you're takin that 10-year nonsense truly into play, you're totally kidding yourself on that one.


r. edit
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OnionJuice said:

I think Revolver is classic, so I'm a rock fan only? My music tastes are diverse and I guess if I only listened to modern 'R&B' I'd be riding R Kelly dick too. I was gonna give you props for being so passionate in your beliefs but after this post, fuck it. We don't agree on this and for you to disrespects folks like Harle, who is younger than the rest of us, BTW, says a lot about you. Opinions are subjective. I believe R Kelly is not a genius. I should have said that it was my opinion and left it at that.

Peace to you.

it's getting way too flamey in here.