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Thread started 05/31/05 3:57pm

DorothyParkerW
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Joni Mitchell On Music Critics

On the Miles Davis documentary, Electric Miles: A Different Kind of Blue, Joni Mitchell states that critics should not be taken to seriously because they really do not know what's happening on an album. She said that what they(critics) often point out as a mistake/misstep is usually what the artist themselves may be the most proudest of. Whereas the mistake that only the artist knows about is the thing the critics always miss. Mitchell stated that musicians are able to listen to their work and strive to perfect the weaknesses they themselves see in the music. There is also a profound statement made about no one having to take and pass a test on being a music critic.
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Reply #1 posted 05/31/05 4:22pm

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It's very true that critics (pro & amateur) tend to see what is missing rather than what is there.

They review albums based on their own concept of what the work should be/artist should do.

I'm certainly not immune. I've dismissed many albums and artists because it wasn't what I wanted to hear at the time (ie Diamonds & Pearls).
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Reply #2 posted 05/31/05 4:23pm

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andyman91 said:

It's very true that critics (pro & amateur) tend to see what is missing rather than what is there.

They review albums based on their own concept of what the work should be/artist should do.

I'm certainly not immune. I've dismissed many albums and artists because it wasn't what I wanted to hear at the time (ie Diamonds & Pearls).


Same here!!! I like your honesty, that's refreshing. thumbs up!
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Reply #3 posted 05/31/05 4:40pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

On the Miles Davis documentary, Electric Miles: A Different Kind of Blue, Joni Mitchell states that critics should not be taken to seriously because they really do not know what's happening on an album. She said that what they(critics) often point out as a mistake/misstep is usually what the artist themselves may be the most proudest of. Whereas the mistake that only the artist knows about is the thing the critics always miss. Mitchell stated that musicians are able to listen to their work and strive to perfect the weaknesses they themselves see in the music. There is also a profound statement made about no one having to take and pass a test on being a music critic.
But oftentimes the critics opinion is also the laymans. It's good to have a balance. Find someone that gets you and your stuff and that can be the second set of eyes/ears to point out the things that you might not see/hear 'til months later when you can look at or hear your work new again. With the visual arts you can always hold your work up to a mirror and get a new perspective. You can't do this with music so it's more important here.
Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify
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Reply #4 posted 05/31/05 4:45pm

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anon said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

On the Miles Davis documentary, Electric Miles: A Different Kind of Blue, Joni Mitchell states that critics should not be taken to seriously because they really do not know what's happening on an album. She said that what they(critics) often point out as a mistake/misstep is usually what the artist themselves may be the most proudest of. Whereas the mistake that only the artist knows about is the thing the critics always miss. Mitchell stated that musicians are able to listen to their work and strive to perfect the weaknesses they themselves see in the music. There is also a profound statement made about no one having to take and pass a test on being a music critic.
But oftentimes the critics opinion is also the laymans. It's good to have a balance. Find someone that gets you and your stuff and that can be the second set of eyes/ears to point out the things that you might not see/hear 'til months later when you can look at or hear your work new again. With the visual arts you can always hold your work up to a mirror and get a new perspective. You can't do this with music so it's more important here.


I agree with what you said to an extent because listening to outsiders that have no idea what you are trying to accomplish may dilute what you are doing. I think its good to have that balance but it may compromise your vision regardless of if anyone gets it or not.
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Reply #5 posted 05/31/05 5:00pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

anon said:

But oftentimes the critics opinion is also the laymans. It's good to have a balance. Find someone that gets you and your stuff and that can be the second set of eyes/ears to point out the things that you might not see/hear 'til months later when you can look at or hear your work new again. With the visual arts you can always hold your work up to a mirror and get a new perspective. You can't do this with music so it's more important here.


I agree with what you said to an extent because listening to outsiders that have no idea what you are trying to accomplish may dilute what you are doing. I think its good to have that balance but it may compromise your vision regardless of if anyone gets it or not.
And I agree with that. But sometimes that person can see/hear the really "off" things...the things that you are too close to see/hear. Not necessarily from a creative standpoint...more a technical.
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Reply #6 posted 05/31/05 6:34pm

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anon said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:



I agree with what you said to an extent because listening to outsiders that have no idea what you are trying to accomplish may dilute what you are doing. I think its good to have that balance but it may compromise your vision regardless of if anyone gets it or not.
And I agree with that. But sometimes that person can see/hear the really "off" things...the things that you are too close to see/hear. Not necessarily from a creative standpoint...more a technical.


good point!
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Reply #7 posted 05/31/05 7:02pm

missmad

like Prince has said you were influenced, he said that in an interview once, i llooooove dat.
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