jayaredee said:

hasnt mariah sold more then madge and janet?

paisleypark4 said:

"Poetess" would do, but we'll give you points for creativity.


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I LOVE the story about their confrontation in some award show(If I'm not mistaken it was the AMA circa 97, If I'm, disregard).

Maddy: Where you been, Mariah?

Mariah: In the charts,,,now where the hell you been?

Harlepolis said:

LMAO*! Mariah doesn't take any of the bools**t.

JANFAN4L said:

The bitch knows how to handle her fests too I'm guessing you know about the Cameron Diaz resturant's bathroom incident?

Folks think that Mariah is passive,,,personaly, it ain't hard seeing through that girly ass exterior. Shit, common sense alone will lead you to think that it takes a SAVAGE FEMALE to survive this fickle ass biz

Harlepolis said:

Haven't heard about this. Care to share?


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Harlepolis said:

Tell'em Harle. My girl Mariah got some thug in her and she can handle her bizness for sure and break'em off if they step to her with some bullshit

sosgemini said:

i said!!!

This thread went damn near where I thought it would, almost nowhere.
Which is why I generally don't participate in "vs" posts.
Anyway, what lured me into this one was that fact that Mariah's name was attached to it.
Based on the recent level of Mariah-hate threads, I felt compelled to engage the hordes with deadly force.

So here's my closing salvo.

SassyBritches said:

OBJECTION YOUR HONOR! SUSTAINED.

I never said or implied that pop singers of today's time can't sing

What I said was, and I quote, "...it's about a standard of competence which IMO has been blurred beyond recognition."

This goes back to one of the examples of the past that I gave (Rosemary Clooney).
I believe, the reason you would not accept her as a valid example ("were those singers actually considered pop? rosemary clooney? pop?) is because when most hear her name they bag her as a Jazz or Torch singer. This goes directly to the heart of my argument. Her vocal SKILL level was such that she could easily compete in any of those categories (and did). If you go down the list of POP singers of that day, you'll find that they were all SKILLFUL SINGERS (Tony Bennett, Nat King Cole, Mario Lanza, Patti Page, Billie Eckstine, Jo Stafford, etc.). That was the STANDARD. You will find the odd exception but they were generally heard on what were considered Novelty songs. The point of my quote simply said that the STANDARD had been blurred so that today those who are not TECHNICALLY SKILLFUL SINGERS, but might more accurately be called VOCAL STYLISTS, are allowed entree to the playing field (Madonna, Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, etc).

IMO of course.

Good luck with the LSAT.

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

JANFAN4L said:

To make long story short.

Cammie said something to the effect "If you want me to suffer. Tie me up and make me listen to Mariah's music" thats around 98/99 I think.

Rumor has it(according to NY Post) that Miss thang(Mariah) heard about the comment and followed her to the bathroom in some fancy resturant in the Village and wiped the floor with her ass then dumped her on the ground. LOL If you're fimiliar with NY post, they got alot of "insiders" and they tend to exaggerate alot of bullshit,,,so don't count on this story(even tho I'd love to ).

When that rumor died, some reporter asked her if its true about what she did to Cammie. She smiled and said "it wasn't that dramatic. We met in a resturant and, well,,,,lets say we made sure that it won't happen again".

Anyway, we can only guess what happend between the 2 in that bathroom,,,and from the sound of it, I can tell that it wasn't so "pretty" I love to assume that Mariah did some WORK on that air-headed heffa but,,,,its just an assumption.

FTR,,,they were rivals eversince their high-school days too
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728huey said:

I cannot agree with that last statement. Madonna is not a really a true musician in the sense of those individuals. As far as star power yes she is there, but I think its an insult to put her in the league with musicians. Michael Jackson is not in that league either. MJ and Madonna are great entertainers that benefited from coming along in the media driven/corporate age. However, the other individuals listed would have been as successful solely relying on radio and live performances sans pyrotechnics. Furthermore, all of the musicians could sit in and jam/perform together where as the entertainers would be out of place. I respect Madonna and MJ but when listing them with the others you have to make the distinction between popularity based on star/image power and musicianship.
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Mariah is obviously the better singer but she is soooo boring. I'd take Madonna over Mariah anyday. Madonna has done a lot with her limited talents, she's a great visual artist and her songs don't blow you away but they're usually catchy.

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

michael was doing just fine before pyro.
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lilgish said:

Yeah he was, but I still don't consider him a musician. Great entertainer, but musician I'm sorry can't agree with it. I agree with Carlos Santana's statement about MJ being a great entertainer like Sammy Davis Jr. but they were not musicians.

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Michael is a vocalist. his lack of competance with physical instruments doesn't prevent his ability to create music with his vocal instrument. Unless you don't consider vocalist to be musicians? If not, then he isn't one and certainly not on the level of the above mentioned.
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lilgish said:

Personally, I like to distinguish a vocalist from an instrumentalist. "Musician" can be rather nebulous at times.

VoicesCarry said:

jayaredee was right, you are smart
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Harlepolis said:

Sounds like Mariah can't take a negative opinion. What a bitch.

jayaredee said:

I think Mariah is only a bitch when she is provoked. I have never heard of bad blood between her and a fan, or her and a coworker.

VoicesCarry said:

why would you have bad blood between a fan, aren't they like, your customer?

seriously, Mariah seems like an airhead.

jayaredee said:

I see you don't have any idea of the many hilarious star-fan encounters that happen each year. Right now Paris Hilton is Queen Of The Bitches in that department - it takes a certain type of woman (but.....she has fans...I'm still trying to comprehend how)

lilgish said:

When compared to Madonna... totally... I give Celine more credit for intelligence

VoicesCarry said:

But that's Paris Hilton.... does she even count?

Harlepolis said:

it to the Timberfakes.

jayaredee said:

Until you realize she's still married to her fat old svengali.

jayaredee said:

It ain't just Paris. Some stars have a reputation for being good with fans, others don't. Mariah is one of the ones who is known for really appreciating her fans.

VoicesCarry said:

I can't stand Rene. And i feel very bad for baby Rene

jayaredee said:

One thing I will say about Madonna is that she mostly manages to avoid exploiting her children.

Celine, on the other hand.....