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Printablesosgemini said: VoicesCarry said: No, sos. If a David Bowie or a Prince got discovered on this show, I would be all for it. However, a David Bowie or a Prince would never sign up for AI in the first place, because the contract is the definition of soul-sucking enslavement. And they would never have a chance in hell of winning, either. You know that as well as I do. i disagree...i have a hunch theres a reason why bo performed sub-par last night...i have a hunch theres a reason why constantine started doing crappy songs...i have a hunch theres a reason why that cute lil brown boy who wore the hats dropped out... exposure sans the contract. if thats how they choose to work the system then more power to them..and like i've already pointed out, Kelly Clarkson and Gay Asskiss have already got out of their contracts..... and hey, Prince swears up and down his contract was horrible too...so, either way you find yourself getting screwed, right?  Ok, you know why those contracts exist, don't you? Because the record company defines your work on that first album. Do you honestly think Bowie or Prince would actually fucking sit there and be TOLD what to sing and how to sing it by a fucking LABEL? I think not. Who gives a fuck if you buy your contract out when that first album will forever taint your credibility. At least when Prince was unhappy with his contract, he was still making the music HE wanted to make. | |
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Anxiety said: 'american idol' is not meant to be a launchpad for future princes or bowies. the formula of the show has nothing to do with artistry and it is not meant to champion visionary musicianship. it's simply a game show where schmoes who can sing loud win lots of stuff so people at home can say "i can do that!" and go out and buy lots of american idol products so they can feel more connected to the idea of one day auditioning for the show and becoming a famous yodeling schmoe, even though the chances of them actually doing it are enormously slim.
i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? Space for sale... | |
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Anxiety said: 'american idol' is not meant to be a launchpad for future princes or bowies. the formula of the show has nothing to do with artistry and it is not meant to champion visionary musicianship. it's simply a game show where schmoes who can sing loud win lots of stuff so people at home can say "i can do that!" and go out and buy lots of american idol products so they can feel more connected to the idea of one day auditioning for the show and becoming a famous yodeling schmoe, even though the chances of them actually doing it are enormously slim.
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sosgemini said: Anxiety said: 'american idol' is not meant to be a launchpad for future princes or bowies. the formula of the show has nothing to do with artistry and it is not meant to champion visionary musicianship. it's simply a game show where schmoes who can sing loud win lots of stuff so people at home can say "i can do that!" and go out and buy lots of american idol products so they can feel more connected to the idea of one day auditioning for the show and becoming a famous yodeling schmoe, even though the chances of them actually doing it are enormously slim.
i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? The parameters that Anxiety outlined should tell you that the real "next Aretha" (supposed to be Joss Stone, right?  ) and the "next Madonna" (was that supposed to be Britney or Gwen, now? ) wouldn't have a chance in hell on that show. That is not the point of the show, nor is it how it works.[Edited 5/25/05 20:11pm] | |
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sosgemini said: Anxiety said: 'american idol' is not meant to be a launchpad for future princes or bowies. the formula of the show has nothing to do with artistry and it is not meant to champion visionary musicianship. it's simply a game show where schmoes who can sing loud win lots of stuff so people at home can say "i can do that!" and go out and buy lots of american idol products so they can feel more connected to the idea of one day auditioning for the show and becoming a famous yodeling schmoe, even though the chances of them actually doing it are enormously slim.
i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? The harm is that it's projecting the notion to many people (particularly young, impressionable people), that this is best avenue to make a name for yourself in the music business. Heaven forbid they pick up an instrument. Heaven forbid they sing a song they actually wrote that has actual meaning to them. Heaven forbid they sing about something other than relationship issues. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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sosgemini said: Anxiety said: 'american idol' is not meant to be a launchpad for future princes or bowies. the formula of the show has nothing to do with artistry and it is not meant to champion visionary musicianship. it's simply a game show where schmoes who can sing loud win lots of stuff so people at home can say "i can do that!" and go out and buy lots of american idol products so they can feel more connected to the idea of one day auditioning for the show and becoming a famous yodeling schmoe, even though the chances of them actually doing it are enormously slim.
i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? yeah, but madonna cultivated an image before she even became famous. i can't really speak for what put aretha over the top because i don't know her story that well. but madonna had a plan, and she had a persona worked out from the beginning. really, in her own warholian way, she's as much a visionary as any multi-instrumentalist songwriting producer genius. | |
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? The parameters that Anxiety outlined should tell you that the real "next Aretha" (supposed to be Joss Stone, right? ) and the "next Madonna" (was that supposed to be Britney or Gwen, now? ) wouldn't have a chance in hell on that show. That is not the point of the show, nor is it how it works.
[Edited 5/25/05 20:11pm] and where did britney, christina and justin get there breaks? star search... -same as it ever was.... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: VoicesCarry said: The parameters that Anxiety outlined should tell you that the real "next Aretha" (supposed to be Joss Stone, right? ) and the "next Madonna" (was that supposed to be Britney or Gwen, now? ) wouldn't have a chance in hell on that show. That is not the point of the show, nor is it how it works.
[Edited 5/25/05 20:11pm] and where did britney, christina and justin get there breaks? star search... -same as it ever was.... Star Search is a long, long way from American Idol. Did any of those schmoes actually get their "break" from Star Search? No. Not in the way an AI gets their "break". [Edited 5/25/05 20:17pm] | |
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Anxiety said: sosgemini said: i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? yeah, but madonna cultivated an image before she even became famous. i can't really speak for what put aretha over the top because i don't know her story that well. but madonna had a plan, and she had a persona worked out from the beginning. really, in her own warholian way, she's as much a visionary as any multi-instrumentalist songwriting producer genius. agreed..but one day there may be a true media visionary that will work the american idol system and be just as visionary as madge.... its just a talent show folks. ya laugh at those that are bad...you clap for those that are good..just like the ones we used to put on in highschool..... Space for sale... | |
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Moonbeam said: sosgemini said: i agree..however, if the next Aretha Franklin or the next Madonna is discovered via this show, whats the harm? The harm is that it's projecting the notion to many people (particularly young, impressionable people), that this is best avenue to make a name for yourself in the music business. Heaven forbid they pick up an instrument. Heaven forbid they sing a song they actually wrote that has actual meaning to them. Heaven forbid they sing about something other than relationship issues. the problem with instruments has more to do with our lack of funding programs in our elementery schools...IMHO. Space for sale... | |
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SOS, Lauryn Hill got booed off Apollo.  | |
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sosgemini said: Moonbeam said: The harm is that it's projecting the notion to many people (particularly young, impressionable people), that this is best avenue to make a name for yourself in the music business. Heaven forbid they pick up an instrument. Heaven forbid they sing a song they actually wrote that has actual meaning to them. Heaven forbid they sing about something other than relationship issues. the problem with instruments has more to do with our lack of funding programs in our elementery schools...IMHO. Certainly American Idol has the funds to buy some instruments. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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sosgemini said: Anxiety said: yeah, but madonna cultivated an image before she even became famous. i can't really speak for what put aretha over the top because i don't know her story that well. but madonna had a plan, and she had a persona worked out from the beginning. really, in her own warholian way, she's as much a visionary as any multi-instrumentalist songwriting producer genius. agreed..but one day there may be a true media visionary that will work the american idol system and be just as visionary as madge.... its just a talent show folks. ya laugh at those that are bad...you clap for those that are good..just like the ones we used to put on in highschool..... Personally, I think the "talent show" is a symptom of an industry that has absolutely no respect for real artists or their artistic development. This show exists to make a fast buck, and only that. [Edited 5/25/05 20:19pm] | |
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sosgemini said: Anxiety said: yeah, but madonna cultivated an image before she even became famous. i can't really speak for what put aretha over the top because i don't know her story that well. but madonna had a plan, and she had a persona worked out from the beginning. really, in her own warholian way, she's as much a visionary as any multi-instrumentalist songwriting producer genius. agreed..but one day there may be a true media visionary that will work the american idol system and be just as visionary as madge.... its just a talent show folks. ya laugh at those that are bad...you clap for those that are good..just like the ones we used to put on in highschool..... i agree. i think what some of the people quoting me on this thread aren't grasping is, i don't have a problem with AI at all. i think it's banal and insulting and ludicrous and lame, but hey - not that there's anything wrong with that!
if a show like AI keeps marginally-talented caterwauls from competing with the REAL contenders out there, then i say keep the show running for a long time. hell, i used to LOVE the gong show. i wish they'd let jaye p. morgan be a judge on AI, i'd watch it then. | |
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sosgemini said: Anxiety said: yeah, but madonna cultivated an image before she even became famous. i can't really speak for what put aretha over the top because i don't know her story that well. but madonna had a plan, and she had a persona worked out from the beginning. really, in her own warholian way, she's as much a visionary as any multi-instrumentalist songwriting producer genius. agreed..but one day there may be a true media visionary that will work the american idol system and be just as visionary as madge.... its just a talent show folks. ya laugh at those that are bad...you clap for those that are good..just like the ones we used to put on in highschool..... | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SOS, Lauryn Hill got booed off Apollo.
bad talent shows...bad bad....real talent goes no where because of them.. 
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Anxiety said: sosgemini said: agreed..but one day there may be a true media visionary that will work the american idol system and be just as visionary as madge.... its just a talent show folks. ya laugh at those that are bad...you clap for those that are good..just like the ones we used to put on in highschool..... i agree. i think what some of the people quoting me on this thread aren't grasping is, i don't have a problem with AI at all. i think it's banal and insulting and ludicrous and lame, but hey - not that there's anything wrong with that!
if a show like AI keeps marginally-talented caterwauls from competing with the REAL contenders out there, then i say keep the show running for a long time. hell, i used to LOVE the gong show. i wish they'd let jaye p. morgan be a judge on AI, i'd watch it then. Thing is...it makes less room for legitimate contenders. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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look at it this way...i would much rather have the public decide who are next bubble gum pop act is going to be then Lou Perlman and Maurice Starr...
nuff said!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: look at it this way...i would much rather have the public decide who are next bubble gum pop act is going to be then Lou Perlman and Maurice Starr...
nuff said!! Look at the choices the public has. 
And look at what the public has decided from those choices. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: sosgemini said: agreed..but one day there may be a true media visionary that will work the american idol system and be just as visionary as madge.... its just a talent show folks. ya laugh at those that are bad...you clap for those that are good..just like the ones we used to put on in highschool..... ill conceed that..cause we won a talent show for lipsynching Wishing Well in middle school just cause we were popular...the poor kids who played instruments or sang a song walked away empty handed...we didnt even use our own props..we borrowed the popular girl clicks instruments who lipsynched their own song..and took second place...  Space for sale... | |
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Moonbeam said: Thing is...it makes less room for legitimate contenders. i don't know if that's true. i think it distracts the flash-in-the-pan schmoes from getting in the way of the artists who really intend on taking their work seriously. | |
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sosgemini said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SOS, Lauryn Hill got booed off Apollo.
bad talent shows...bad bad....real talent goes no where because of them..
Lauryn has been booed at many venues. She is not the greatest live performer, and generally seems unappreciative of her audience, from what I've read. | |
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Moonbeam said: sosgemini said: look at it this way...i would much rather have the public decide who are next bubble gum pop act is going to be then Lou Perlman and Maurice Starr...
nuff said!! Look at the choices the public has.
And look at what the public has decided from those choices. and they always will...aint nothing for nothing that Lawrence Welk was on the air for soo long.. 
did cha know kd lang is a huge lawrence welk fan? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Moonbeam said: Look at the choices the public has.
And look at what the public has decided from those choices. and they always will...aint nothing for nothing that Lawrence Welk was on the air for soo long..
did cha know kd lang is a huge lawrence welk fan?  Love that video for Miss Chatelaine. | |
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one evening after a two day party binge in SF (capped off by a full 12 hour session at the end up starting at 6am) many years ago..i come home and plop on the cough...on pbs is the lawrence welk show...these six sisters all looking like Blair from Facts of Life were singing a song that consisted of one word: chattahooch
(not chattahoochee)... over and over and over and over...for three minutes...i thought it was the drugs at first....and they kept going and going and going....it was scarier then anything i had ever seen... Space for sale... | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SOS, Lauryn Hill got booed off Apollo.
well technically..she was booed and hissed...but since she was allowed to finish her song, she was not booed OFF of Apollo...she made it to the part where the useless Kee Kee put her hand over her head and she was soundly booed some more, with a smattering of applause 
she did not win, but she rocked the joint when she came back as a member of the Fugees. you look better on your facebook page than you do in person | |
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sosgemini said: one evening after a two day party binge in SF (capped off by a full 12 hour session at the end up starting at 6am) many years ago..i come home and plop on the cough...on pbs is the lawrence welk show...these six sisters all looking like Blair from Facts of Life were singing a song that consisted of one word: chattahooch
(not chattahoochee)... over and over and over and over...for three minutes...i thought it was the drugs at first....and they kept going and going and going....it was scarier then anything i had ever seen... i think peaches did a cover of that song when i saw her in concert! | |
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VoicesCarry said: The only American Idol with any form of artistic success will be Kelly Clarkson, I think. Clay Aiken still has not broken out of the mould set by the show. It's true. Kelly can sing her ass off... She's no Joss Stone, but hey fuck it. I dig her stuff a lot more than I expected to. "The Trouble With Love Is" is destined to be a classic in years to come... Keep your headphones on. | |
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smokeverbs said: VoicesCarry said: The only American Idol with any form of artistic success will be Kelly Clarkson, I think. Clay Aiken still has not broken out of the mould set by the show. It's true. Kelly can sing her ass off... She's no Joss Stone, but hey fuck it. I dig her stuff a lot more than I expected to. "The Trouble With Love Is" is destined to be a classic in years to come... No she isn't Joss Stone....she actually has a personality. I'm sorry I just can't stand Joss Stone and really don't get it! | |
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True, Joss doesn't have much of a personality, but she could sing a phone book and I'd still buy it. Keep your headphones on. | |
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