vainandy said:

Please don't take there orgers.

TurnItUp said:

It was about bisexuality. She had said many times that she wanted to stay true to the song and not change the words, so she kept "girl" until the end when she says "boy." The whole song is about a girl until the very last line when she says "boy." In interviews she said she knew people who were gay and bisexual and that it was their reality and wanted to do a song for them. If it was about a threesome, she would have gone back and forth between boy and girl throughout the song. She would have been more explicit and clear

Janfriend said:

agree w/you Jan.

Janfriend said:

I do recall this interview.

But, also, Janet has made it a point in her interviews to say that "The Velvet Rope" as a whole can mean many different things to many people. A lot of the themes on the album are left open-ended, so for you "Tonight's The Night" may've been about "bisexuality," but for someone else it could just be a night where the rules between "who" you love are blurred under the guise of darkness.

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JANFAN4L said:

Well, with Janet,it's pretty much an open book. She's made it quite clear about her stance on Bisexuality and that's cool that she wants to express her self just like our boy P did back in the day.

I HAVE'NT SEEN THE VIDEO YET BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION....

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS BAN THE VIDEOS WITH MEN WHO APPEAR TO BE TOO SEXUAL IN A VIDEO???? THEY SHOW HALF NAKED WOMEN DEGRADING THEMSELVES ON BET ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!! I REMEMBER THEY BANNED MC HAMMER'S VIDEO "PUMPS AND A BUMP" BECAUSE HE WAS WELL DEVELOPED BELOW AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO MUCH FOR TV (HE HAD ON BRIEFS). EVENTUALLY HAMMER RELEASED AN ALL DANCE VERSION FOR BET TO AIR IN IT'S PLACE. IF THEY ARE GOING TO BAN THE VIDEOS WITH MEN, BAN THE VIDEOS WITH WOMEN THAT DEGRADE THEMSELVES IN 99.9% OF THE VIDEOS THEY AIR ON A DAILY.

JANFAN4L said:

If that was said regarding THIS song then it's a really lame attempt to not alienate. If you make a stand...Just make it.

Anyway, Isn't it funny how the things that made waves for an artist 20 years ago won't even cause a ripple today (I don't recall controversy surrounding this song.)? Those that grew up on - are now the product of and almost unshockable.

The one that comes along with no gimmick...just talent, will shock me. That's how I want to be shocked.

Janfriend said:

WHO makes a song for the "bi"? I don't buy into that whole thing. People that claim to be bi are just greedy.
They don't need a song.

anon said:

Lame? Because she recognizes that she has a huge cross-section of straight, gay, bi, transgendered, open-minded listeners? If anything, the woman's playing to our (and her own) multidimensionality. I don't see anything "lame" about that. "The Velvet Rope" itself is about the dochotomy between alienation/acceptance anyway, so it plays perfectly in that construct.

anon said:

WTF?

Oh, and I have to say, Cyndi Lauper did the EXACT SAME THING when she covered When You Were Mine, but I don't see Bootylicious goin' around bitching about that.
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JANFAN4L said:

My point is:
Don't say this is a song about bi-sexuality on one hand.
And then "it can mean different things to different people".
If it's a bi-song. It's a bi-song. Own up to it. Call it what it is etc...etc...

People always cancel out their own convictions with the marketing. That's lame.

VoicesCarry said:

Did she? I don't remember that. Anyway, that's one of my fav of her songs.

anon said:

She keeps the female pronoun - listen.

VoicesCarry said:

Yeah she does say "with another guy" doesn't she? I have to hear that again.

I think Sinead does that too.

The thing is many people do this and sometimes it's funny 'cause they're just being true to the lyrics. Not everyone is trying to make a statement. I doubt that anyone really cares about that. Actually I don't think anyone cares whether it's a statement or not. We're all so jaded.

anon said:

Yo, Janet never said it was a "bi" song in the first place. Janfriend made the interpretation. To paraphrase what Janet said, she has friends who are gay, bisexual and transgendered, so she changed the gender pronouns to fit their respective realities.

JANFAN4L said:

i c.
Still she doesn't have to say it's "bi". She let's the song say it.
You say "A lot of the themes on the album are left open-ended" and this is good to do with music. You really don't want to alienate. But this song isn't open-ended at all. What about me? I was fine with the guy in the french gown and all...but when she says "girl" she closed that one for me.

Actually I prefer the french-maid thingy but thingy is so hard to find a good rhyme for.

anon said:

Hehe. Well, you just contradicted yourself. Isn't a "bisexual" individual by definition "open-ended"? So, in essence, Janet's song doesn't alienate a bisexual person.

You're interpreting the track to be Janet speaking to two other people simultaneously. Yes, she does start off with: "this is between me, you and you," but it's clearly a play on words (and you can play with it all you like). If it's a boy/girl, girl/girl, boy/boy, boy/boy/boy, girl/boy/girl, girl/girl/girl, boy-girl/girl-boy situation, then it's open to ALL of you. Take another close listen and you'll get it.

VoicesCarry said:

I had to go and listen to this one.

She says "another guy...url"
then "gir...oy"

How's that for playing if safe.
So I guess we were both wron...ight

You say she "keeps the female pronoun"
she says "..whenever he's with you..."

That makes somebody gay.
I hope it's not me.


Anyway, that's a good song.

JANFAN4L said:

If it's a guy. Yes. What's the point?

anon said:

I don't beleive we're having this conversations about Bisexuality when we're supposedly admires of P and should knows whats of up.

JANFAN4L said:

I didn't. And that's not a good argument. Anyway, my point was that it alienated me.

JANFAN4L said:

Actually I wasn't. I seriously was just goofing. It's just a song. A song and semi-lame/weak marketing. I don't listen that hard. Actually I don't really listen to that song.

Hotlegs said:

Did I overlook the fine print?

anon said:

You probably didn't read between the lines along with a string of others on this forum. He, we are fans of a man who proadly displayed his ass in public and made some of the most freaky, and sexual song outs.
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aikam said:

If they ban those videos, then there won't be an MTV, BET or VH-1 (and at this point that wouldn't be a bad thing). And I thought I was the only one who wondered that. It's strange to me that they don't ban the videos with the half-naked girls but it just shows you the double standards in society and it's not right at all.

anon said:

You're retarded bisexuality is just as valid as hetero, homo, a, and pan

anon said:

Ladies and gentlemen, the gist.

Hotlegs said:

anon said:

Prince fans.

purplecam said:

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Your not the only one who wondered about it. If a guy wants to show some skin in a video wny is it a issue. It is not like they don't show enough half naked woman on BET.