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What Do You Think The Beatles Would've Been If John Didn't Say "We're Bigger Than Jesus"? I keep discussing this with a lot of folks. They always say that it's a good question, but they don't know. My answer is: If John never said that whole "Bigger Than Jesus" thing, we wouldn't have works like Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, or even Abbey Road. We have to face it, Beatlemania was dead and it was time for them to move on to new and fresh things. They did lose a lot of fanbase when John said it. It was something that scared everyone. So, what do you think would've happened if John never said that statement? [Edited 5/22/05 21:01pm] Check me out and add me on:
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They'd be bigger than Jesus.  | |
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I think they would not have had the flexibility to express themselves as they did. By making that statement they shocked their fan base and then were able to branch out into other areas. I don't know that they would have had the courage to branch out and possibly lose fans if they hadn't lost some already. Am I making any sense???  | |
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GangstaFam said: They'd be bigger than Jesus.
Yeah, but you gotta remember that back then(Jesus' time) the average man usually stood 'bout 4 ft. 3. | |
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I think that artistic rebellion was in them (john mostly) before and after that comment.. I dont think it would have changed the music too dramatically. I do beleive that it changed the style/music/mood/songwriting.. but that only went so far.. they were gonna bloom the more the band grew | |
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GangstaFam said: They'd be bigger than Jesus.
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silverchild said: I keep discussing this with a lot of folks. They always say that it's a good question, but they don't know. My answer is: If John never said that whole "Bigger Than Jesus" thing, we wouldn't have works like Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, or even Abbey Road. We have to face it, Beatlemania was dead and it was time for them to move on to new and fresh things. They did lose a lot of fanbase when John said it. It was something that scared everyone. So, what do you think would've happened if John never said that statement?
[Edited 5/22/05 21:01pm] The Beatle would have definitly been shape in Paul McCartney's image only! In other words: Too Much Pop Yes, Paul was the one with the huge advantage with music technology. But in terms of rock & roll attitude, John was THE man! | |
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Imo ,it's the chemistry of the 4 of them combined that made them so great
Their solo work just doesn't do it for me although some songs are good , not nearly as good as The Beatles together As for the question , nobody knows the answer  [Edited 5/22/05 23:15pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: silverchild said: I keep discussing this with a lot of folks. They always say that it's a good question, but they don't know. My answer is: If John never said that whole "Bigger Than Jesus" thing, we wouldn't have works like Sgt. Pepper, The White Album, or even Abbey Road. We have to face it, Beatlemania was dead and it was time for them to move on to new and fresh things. They did lose a lot of fanbase when John said it. It was something that scared everyone. So, what do you think would've happened if John never said that statement?
[Edited 5/22/05 21:01pm] The Beatle would have definitly been shape in Paul McCartney's image only! In other words: Too Much Pop Yes, Paul was the one with the huge advantage with music technology. But in terms of rock & roll attitude, John was THE man! I don't know about that, I think objectively Paul was the creatively dominant member of the group in the latter half of their career by virtue of the fact that he conceptually mastered and wrote the plurality (if not the majority) of the songs on every album after Rubber Soul. I think this notion people have of John being the genius/avant-garde one and Paul being the melodic/poppy one is way oversimplistic. [Edited 5/22/05 23:22pm] | |
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jacktheimprovident said: TonyVanDam said: The Beatle would have definitly been shape in Paul McCartney's image only! In other words: Too Much Pop Yes, Paul was the one with the huge advantage with music technology. But in terms of rock & roll attitude, John was THE man! I don't know about that, I think objectively Paul was the creatively dominant member of the group in the latter half of their career by virtue of the fact that he conceptually mastered and wrote the plurality (if not the majority) of the songs on every album after Rubber Soul. I think this notion people have of John being the genius/avant-garde one and Paul being the melodic/poppy one is way oversimplistic. [Edited 5/22/05 23:22pm] agreed | |
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They would have chewed musically either way. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Maybe I am wrong about this, but as I understand it, no one outside of the US got hot under the collar about this remark..
He may have lost them some fans in the Bible Belt and amongst religious conservatives, but elsewhere in the World people just shrugged and got on with listening to the albums. | |
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The same. | |
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Sdldawn said: jacktheimprovident said: I don't know about that, I think objectively Paul was the creatively dominant member of the group in the latter half of their career by virtue of the fact that he conceptually mastered and wrote the plurality (if not the majority) of the songs on every album after Rubber Soul. I think this notion people have of John being the genius/avant-garde one and Paul being the melodic/poppy one is way oversimplistic. [Edited 5/22/05 23:22pm] agreed me too. it's the prevailing view, for some reason, that Paul = poppy ballads and John = rock and roll, and it ain't true. | |
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Yeah, Paul had the edge after '67.  John kinda lost interest at that point, although he still contributed a few gems (Across The Universe, Revolution, I Want You, Yer blues, Julia, Dear Prudence, Happiness Is A Warm Gun) but Paul was writing one winner after another. | |
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jacktheimprovident said: TonyVanDam said: The Beatle would have definitly been shape in Paul McCartney's image only! In other words: Too Much Pop Yes, Paul was the one with the huge advantage with music technology. But in terms of rock & roll attitude, John was THE man! I don't know about that, I think objectively Paul was the creatively dominant member of the group in the latter half of their career by virtue of the fact that he conceptually mastered and wrote the plurality (if not the majority) of the songs on every album after Rubber Soul. I think this notion people have of John being the genius/avant-garde one and Paul being the melodic/poppy one is way oversimplistic. [Edited 5/22/05 23:22pm] I know that already (about Paul)! I'm talking about R&R Attitude. IMHO, it was always John Lennon when it came to having a "I don't give a damn/f***" type of attitude. [Edited 5/23/05 7:40am] | |
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Cloudbuster said: Yeah, Paul had the edge after '67.
John kinda lost interest at that point, although he still contributed a few gems (Across The Universe, Revolution, I Want You, Yer blues, Julia, Dear Prudence, Happiness Is A Warm Gun) but Paul was writing one winner after another.I think the one song that flipped my lid over paul... Helter Skelter I dont think any other beatle wrote a song that raw and unfiltered.. or anyone during that time for that matter.. | |
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TonyVanDam said: jacktheimprovident said: I don't know about that, I think objectively Paul was the creatively dominant member of the group in the latter half of their career by virtue of the fact that he conceptually mastered and wrote the plurality (if not the majority) of the songs on every album after Rubber Soul. I think this notion people have of John being the genius/avant-garde one and Paul being the melodic/poppy one is way oversimplistic. [Edited 5/22/05 23:22pm] I know that already (about Paul)! I'm talking about R&R Attitude. IMHO, it was always John Lennon when it came to having a "I don't give a damn/f***" type of attitude.
[Edited 5/23/05 7:40am] wasn't it Paul who, in response to accusations that the white album was too long and full of filler, said something along the lines of (i paraphrase) "fuck it - we're the beatles." | |
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If I was alive at the time I wudda been laughin my ass off.
I wonder if they took their career differently because they said that? If they did, more power to losing the teenyboppers and made way for their legacy forever. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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TheFrogSpawn said: wasn't it Paul who, in response to accusations that the white album was too long and full of filler, said something along the lines of (i paraphrase) "fuck it - we're the beatles."
Yeah, I heard that, too. | |
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Cloudbuster said: TheFrogSpawn said: wasn't it Paul who, in response to accusations that the white album was too long and full of filler, said something along the lines of (i paraphrase) "fuck it - we're the beatles."
Yeah, I heard that, too. Yes, I believe thats correct. Paul & John didnt fully agree on certian thigns that were on The White Album.. but all in all.. they wanted to do what they wanted to do | |
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