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Reply #30 posted 05/15/05 12:10pm

Fauxie

Hotlegs said:

Fauxie said:



It's all in the production, not the subject matter. Voodoo is intentionally muddy and bass-heavy. The vocals are more concerned with the sound rather than articulation of the words. This hinders suitability for radio airplay and having successful singles. Voodoo's track are more meandering and less rigidly structured than Brown Sugar's succinct 4 and 5 minute tracks. The overall style of Brown Sugar's production is much cleaner and therefore more commercial. Voodoo is definitely more self-indulgent, though I don't say that as a criticism, and is a pretty deep, brooding piece of work. For these reasons I think you may be on your own in believing Voodoo to be a more commercial album than Brown Sugar.

As for quality, it all depends on what you're after. Brown Sugar is an easier listen, a more instant album you can get into straight away. Voodoo turned some people off and deeply interested others. I think on Voodoo he stretched himself a little more musically and that's why I like it just a shade more than Brown Sugar. What a debut that album is though! Let's hope there's something in the pipeline due to come out before the end of this decade. smile


I still disagree with you simply b/c with Vodooo D'Angelo made this album more of a commercial sound by incoprorating less original sounds of his own and mimicing more of Prince and James Brown on his album. Therefore, this gave him more mass appeal and drew more of broad scale of an audiences. Whereas with his first release, he had less mass apeal and was only marketed music market and his album had more of an orginal sound on that was less Prince and James Brown infused.


I hear what you're saying. nod

I wonder if the sales figures would bear that out. wink
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Reply #31 posted 05/15/05 12:11pm

Fauxie

Maxwell's just a little too soft and smooth IMHO. Still good, but not nearly gritty and wholeheartedly soulful enough. There's always something about him that feels a little forced.
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Reply #32 posted 05/15/05 12:13pm

Eroticist

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Fauxie said:

Maxwell's just a little too soft and smooth IMHO. Still good, but not nearly gritty and wholeheartedly soulful enough. There's always something about him that feels a little forced.


Interesting, cuz I find his smoothness to be something lost in this current crop of R&B crooners. I STILL say to this day that Urban Hang Suite was THE MOST SENSUAL ALBUM WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS. The shit just DRIPPED love/sex/passion/lust...gotta love that shit.
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Reply #33 posted 05/15/05 12:16pm

Fauxie

Eroticist said:

Fauxie said:

Maxwell's just a little too soft and smooth IMHO. Still good, but not nearly gritty and wholeheartedly soulful enough. There's always something about him that feels a little forced.


Interesting, cuz I find his smoothness to be something lost in this current crop of R&B crooners. I STILL say to this day that Urban Hang Suite was THE MOST SENSUAL ALBUM WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS. The shit just DRIPPED love/sex/passion/lust...gotta love that shit.



I think I appreciated him more after that album, at the time, than I do now after subsequent releases. I think the smoothness got a little too much for me. Of course, I'm being super critical. He's still a great artist, I just feel he's yet to make his best work.
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Reply #34 posted 05/15/05 12:22pm

Eroticist

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Fauxie said:

Eroticist said:



Interesting, cuz I find his smoothness to be something lost in this current crop of R&B crooners. I STILL say to this day that Urban Hang Suite was THE MOST SENSUAL ALBUM WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS. The shit just DRIPPED love/sex/passion/lust...gotta love that shit.



I think I appreciated him more after that album, at the time, than I do now after subsequent releases. I think the smoothness got a little too much for me. Of course, I'm being super critical. He's still a great artist, I just feel he's yet to make his best work.


Man, if he tops UHS...that'll be some some nice shit.
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Reply #35 posted 05/15/05 12:24pm

Fauxie

Eroticist said:

Fauxie said:




I think I appreciated him more after that album, at the time, than I do now after subsequent releases. I think the smoothness got a little too much for me. Of course, I'm being super critical. He's still a great artist, I just feel he's yet to make his best work.


Man, if he tops UHS...that'll be some some nice shit.



For sure, and I think he will do it someday. cool
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Reply #36 posted 05/15/05 12:30pm

BlaqueKnight

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Eroticist said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

I like D'Angelo, but I prefer Maxwell. I just hate that Maxwell had to compromise after Embrya becuase his first three releases were very good. I love Urban Hang Suite, Maxwell MTV Unplugged EP, and Embrya. Now was a little too commercial.


I hated Embrya. I thought they were outtakes from his UHS album.



My first impressions of Embrya weren't very good, but I recently reisited the CD and I realised that its a really good record. Its not a "first listen" type of record, though. I love "Matrimony" & "Cococure" and its a good CD overall. You have to dive into it and let it creep up on ya. Its like a pretty girl in raggedy clothes. She may not catch your eye at first. It may take a couple of looks to realize that she's very attractive but when you do, you know you have a jewel in your midst.

WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED D'ANGELO PROGRAMMING...

[Edited 5/15/05 12:31pm]
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Reply #37 posted 05/15/05 1:16pm

Eroticist

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Eroticist said:



I hated Embrya. I thought they were outtakes from his UHS album.



My first impressions of Embrya weren't very good, but I recently reisited the CD and I realised that its a really good record. Its not a "first listen" type of record, though. I love "Matrimony" & "Cococure" and its a good CD overall. You have to dive into it and let it creep up on ya. Its like a pretty girl in raggedy clothes. She may not catch your eye at first. It may take a couple of looks to realize that she's very attractive but when you do, you know you have a jewel in your midst.

WE NOW RETURN YOU TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED D'ANGELO PROGRAMMING...

[Edited 5/15/05 12:31pm]


Ok, I gotta agree with you there...I did hear it not too long ago and I thought..."well, it's not as bad as I originally thought" so yeah, I feels u on that.
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Reply #38 posted 05/15/05 4:37pm

Hotlegs

Eroticist said:

Fauxie said:

Maxwell's just a little too soft and smooth IMHO. Still good, but not nearly gritty and wholeheartedly soulful enough. There's always something about him that feels a little forced.


Interesting, cuz I find his smoothness to be something lost in this current crop of R&B crooners. I STILL say to this day that Urban Hang Suite was THE MOST SENSUAL ALBUM WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS. The shit just DRIPPED love/sex/passion/lust...gotta love that shit.

nod Eroticist, I could agree with you more about Maxwell's first album b/c it was so well done. That album was so well orchestrated that you could play from start to finish while getting you love on(foreplay-good fucking boff ). The only other balladers that were able to pull that off were Jefferey Osborne, Barry White, Freddie Jackson, and Luther.
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Reply #39 posted 05/15/05 4:55pm

Eroticist

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Hotlegs said:

Eroticist said:



Interesting, cuz I find his smoothness to be something lost in this current crop of R&B crooners. I STILL say to this day that Urban Hang Suite was THE MOST SENSUAL ALBUM WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS. The shit just DRIPPED love/sex/passion/lust...gotta love that shit.

nod Eroticist, I could agree with you more about Maxwell's first album b/c it was so well done. That album was so well orchestrated that you could play from start to finish while getting you love on(foreplay-good fucking boff ). The only other balladers that were able to pull that off were Jefferey Osborne, Barry White, Freddie Jackson, and Luther.


wink razz
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Reply #40 posted 05/15/05 4:56pm

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Aint it nice to be talkin' 'bout the mans music instead of the mans mass.

"Untitled" track and Video are a "commercial" marketing move but I agree with Fauxie, Brown Sugar is the more commercial work...as a whole. Not sure if the video choice was a desperate marketing decision or a slap in our faces. I tend to think the latter and this is what makes it brilliant. The only thing that could up this is if he does the shirt off thing - as he is - for the next CD. It might not be as well received but it would make the same statement. More profound even.

Regarding which is a better work. I can't separate them. They're so far apart that you have to see them as a progression. In 5 years a person grows. His work should be a reflection of that and it is. I suspect that the next work will be the third in this triptych and that all will become more cohesive.
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Reply #41 posted 05/15/05 5:33pm

Hotlegs

Eroticist said:

Hotlegs said:


nod Eroticist, I could agree with you more about Maxwell's first album b/c it was so well done. That album was so well orchestrated that you could play from start to finish while getting you love on(foreplay-good fucking boff ). The only other balladers that were able to pull that off were Jefferey Osborne, Barry White, Freddie Jackson, and Luther.


wink razz

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Reply #42 posted 05/15/05 5:42pm

MsLegs

Fauxie said:

Hotlegs said:



I still disagree with you simply b/c with Vodooo D'Angelo made this album more of a commercial sound by incoprorating less original sounds of his own and mimicing more of Prince and James Brown on his album. Therefore, this gave him more mass appeal and drew more of broad scale of an audiences. Whereas with his first release, he had less mass apeal and was only marketed music market and his album had more of an orginal sound on that was less Prince and James Brown infused.


I hear what you're saying. nod

I wonder if the sales figures would bear that out. wink

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Reply #43 posted 05/15/05 6:03pm

Eroticist

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Hotlegs said:

Eroticist said:



wink razz

hug


Now, is that an invite to come and listen to Urban Hang Suite with you...so we can break down each and every song in its beautiful entirety? mushy horny love
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Your body, it covers my tower
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Reply #44 posted 05/15/05 6:32pm

Hotlegs

Eroticist said:

Hotlegs said:


hug


Now, is that an invite to come and listen to Urban Hang Suite with you...so we can break down each and every song in its beautiful entirety? mushy horny love

nod Hey , you bring the CD and Moet and I'll bring the strawberries and whip cream and whistle "we'll be rockin till the cops come knockin." lol
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Reply #45 posted 05/15/05 7:00pm

psykosoul

anon said:

Aint it nice to be talkin' 'bout the mans music instead of the mans mass.

"Untitled" track and Video are a "commercial" marketing move but I agree with Fauxie, Brown Sugar is the more commercial work...as a whole. Not sure if the video choice was a desperate marketing decision or a slap in our faces. I tend to think the latter and this is what makes it brilliant. The only thing that could up this is if he does the shirt off thing - as he is - for the next CD. It might not be as well received but it would make the same statement. More profound even.

Regarding which is a better work. I can't separate them. They're so far apart that you have to see them as a progression. In 5 years a person grows. His work should be a reflection of that and it is. I suspect that the next work will be the third in this triptych and that all will become more cohesive.



clapping Well said,

And for those who doubt the man based on his productivity, you have to remember the fact that a lot of the stuff he does between albums never gets any shine.
Between Brown Sugar and Voodoo he had countless songs on b-sides and produced several tracks for other artists that never got recognition.

1996 - Get on the Bus - Girl You Need A Change Of Mind (Caston/Poree)
1996 - Boys Choir of Harlem: Up in Harlem - Overjoyed (Archer/Archer):
1996 - Space Jam - I Found My Smile Again
1996 - The Roots: Illadelph Halflife - The Hypnotic
1996 - High School High - Your Precious Love w/Erykah Badu (Ashford/Simpson)
1996 - Genius/GZA: - Cold World Remix (Debarge/Diggs/Grice/Wonder)
1997 - Scream 2 - She's Always in My Hair (D/Prince)
1997 - B.B. King: Deuces Wild - Ain't Nobody Home (Ragavoy):
1997 - Men in Black - The 'Notic (w/the Roots)
(Bailey/Collins/Dunn/Poyser/Thompson/White)
1997 - Mary J Blige - Everyday - Bside to a UK single
1998 - Lauryn Hill: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Nothing Even Matters (Hill)
1998 - Belly - Devil's Pie (D/Martin) Produced by Premier
1998 - Method Man: Tical 2: Judgement Day - Break Ups 2 Make Ups (Barnes/D/Olivier/Smith)
1998 - Down In The Delta - Heaven Must Be Like This (Middlebrooks/Williams/Bonner/Jones/Satchel/Pierce)
1999 - Angie Stone: Black Diamond - Everyday (D/Stone)

2000
Common: Like Water For Chocolate
01. Geto Heaven Part Two (Lynn/Thompson/D/Poyser/Lord/St. Victor/Smith): Vocals, Piano
02. Time Travelin'/Time Travelin' Reprise (Lynn/D/Thompson/Poyser/Yancey): Keyboards
03. Cold-Blooded (Lynn/Thompson/D/Brown/Trotter/Saunders): Claves
Album (except two tracks) produced by The Soulquarian's (D/?uestlove/James Poyser) and Jay Dee
2000 - Slum Village : Fantastic Vol 2 - Tell Me
2000 - Red Hot + Indigo - Caravan (w/ the Roots)
2001 - Baby Boy - Talk Shit 2 Ya (w/ Marlon C)
2002 - Red Hot + Riot - Water No Get Enemy (w/ Femi Kuti, Macy Gray, Roy Hargrove & Nile Rodgers)
2002 - Raphael Saadiq: Instant Vintage - Be Here
2003 - RH Factor [Roy Hargrove]:Hard Groove - I'll Stay
2003 - Raphael Saadiq: All the Hits at the House of Blues - Be Here

So it's not really like folks can say he just sat on his ass between albums. I didn't even include all the remixes he's done (Brandy, Faith Evans, A Tribe Called Quest) and a few b-sides (Everybody Loves the Sunshine). And don't even get me started on the stuff he recorded with others that didn't get released (Eric Clapton, David Sanborn, The Roots) He did have a couple of tours after each album. He really stopped being "productive" in 2003.
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Reply #46 posted 05/15/05 7:55pm

BlaqueKnight

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Great points, Psykosoul!
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Reply #47 posted 05/15/05 10:03pm

anon

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Great points, Psykosoul!
Agree! Have some of those tracks. Didn't realize he did that many (quite a few I have never heard). There's nearly 3 CD's worth in there (1 per yr). Also, didn't realize that this all came to a sudden hault in 03. Is this because he's been working on the next CD or because of personal probs? or both?
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Reply #48 posted 05/15/05 11:32pm

Eroticist

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Hotlegs said:

Eroticist said:



Now, is that an invite to come and listen to Urban Hang Suite with you...so we can break down each and every song in its beautiful entirety? mushy horny love

nod Hey , you bring the CD and Moet and I'll bring the strawberries and whip cream and whistle "we'll be rockin till the cops come knockin." lol


cop lick whip spank
Desire, it covers our faces
It happens in curious places
Your body, it covers my tower
Ecstasy is ours
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Reply #49 posted 05/16/05 12:35am

Hotlegs

Eroticist said:

Hotlegs said:


nod Hey , you bring the CD and Moet and I'll bring the strawberries and whip cream and whistle "we'll be rockin till the cops come knockin." lol


cop lick whip spank

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Reply #50 posted 05/16/05 12:41am

Hotlegs

psykosoul said:

anon said:

Aint it nice to be talkin' 'bout the mans music instead of the mans mass.

"Untitled" track and Video are a "commercial" marketing move but I agree with Fauxie, Brown Sugar is the more commercial work...as a whole. Not sure if the video choice was a desperate marketing decision or a slap in our faces. I tend to think the latter and this is what makes it brilliant. The only thing that could up this is if he does the shirt off thing - as he is - for the next CD. It might not be as well received but it would make the same statement. More profound even.

Regarding which is a better work. I can't separate them. They're so far apart that you have to see them as a progression. In 5 years a person grows. His work should be a reflection of that and it is. I suspect that the next work will be the third in this triptych and that all will become more cohesive.



clapping Well said,

And for those who doubt the man based on his productivity, you have to remember the fact that a lot of the stuff he does between albums never gets any shine.
Between Brown Sugar and Voodoo he had countless songs on b-sides and produced several tracks for other artists that never got recognition.

1996 - Get on the Bus - Girl You Need A Change Of Mind (Caston/Poree)
1996 - Boys Choir of Harlem: Up in Harlem - Overjoyed (Archer/Archer):
1996 - Space Jam - I Found My Smile Again
1996 - The Roots: Illadelph Halflife - The Hypnotic
1996 - High School High - Your Precious Love w/Erykah Badu (Ashford/Simpson)
1996 - Genius/GZA: - Cold World Remix (Debarge/Diggs/Grice/Wonder)
1997 - Scream 2 - She's Always in My Hair (D/Prince)
1997 - B.B. King: Deuces Wild - Ain't Nobody Home (Ragavoy):
1997 - Men in Black - The 'Notic (w/the Roots)
(Bailey/Collins/Dunn/Poyser/Thompson/White)
1997 - Mary J Blige - Everyday - Bside to a UK single
1998 - Lauryn Hill: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Nothing Even Matters (Hill)
1998 - Belly - Devil's Pie (D/Martin) Produced by Premier
1998 - Method Man: Tical 2: Judgement Day - Break Ups 2 Make Ups (Barnes/D/Olivier/Smith)
1998 - Down In The Delta - Heaven Must Be Like This (Middlebrooks/Williams/Bonner/Jones/Satchel/Pierce)
1999 - Angie Stone: Black Diamond - Everyday (D/Stone)

2000
Common: Like Water For Chocolate
01. Geto Heaven Part Two (Lynn/Thompson/D/Poyser/Lord/St. Victor/Smith): Vocals, Piano
02. Time Travelin'/Time Travelin' Reprise (Lynn/D/Thompson/Poyser/Yancey): Keyboards
03. Cold-Blooded (Lynn/Thompson/D/Brown/Trotter/Saunders): Claves
Album (except two tracks) produced by The Soulquarian's (D/?uestlove/James Poyser) and Jay Dee
2000 - Slum Village : Fantastic Vol 2 - Tell Me
2000 - Red Hot + Indigo - Caravan (w/ the Roots)
2001 - Baby Boy - Talk Shit 2 Ya (w/ Marlon C)
2002 - Red Hot + Riot - Water No Get Enemy (w/ Femi Kuti, Macy Gray, Roy Hargrove & Nile Rodgers)
2002 - Raphael Saadiq: Instant Vintage - Be Here
2003 - RH Factor [Roy Hargrove]:Hard Groove - I'll Stay
2003 - Raphael Saadiq: All the Hits at the House of Blues - Be Here

So it's not really like folks can say he just sat on his ass between albums. I didn't even include all the remixes he's done (Brandy, Faith Evans, A Tribe Called Quest) and a few b-sides (Everybody Loves the Sunshine). And don't even get me started on the stuff he recorded with others that didn't get released (Eric Clapton, David Sanborn, The Roots) He did have a couple of tours after each album. He really stopped being "productive" in 2003.



Well, there is no question that he is an excellent studio musician and songwriter. He has proven that time over again. Hopefully, his new album will reflect the nature of his true genius and showcase his originality like his debut album did in my opinion. His following album relied too much on Prince and James Brown influences which made it too commercial in my opinion and that's why it sold better.
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Reply #51 posted 05/16/05 8:19am

Eroticist

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Hotlegs said:

Eroticist said:



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Reply #52 posted 05/16/05 8:20am

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D' also wrote "You Will Know" on the soundtrack of "Jason's Lyric."
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Reply #53 posted 05/16/05 10:40am

Hotlegs

Eroticist said:

Hotlegs said:


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Reply #54 posted 05/16/05 1:31pm

GeishaGirl

psykosoul said:

anon said:

Aint it nice to be talkin' 'bout the mans music instead of the mans mass.

"Untitled" track and Video are a "commercial" marketing move but I agree with Fauxie, Brown Sugar is the more commercial work...as a whole. Not sure if the video choice was a desperate marketing decision or a slap in our faces. I tend to think the latter and this is what makes it brilliant. The only thing that could up this is if he does the shirt off thing - as he is - for the next CD. It might not be as well received but it would make the same statement. More profound even.

Regarding which is a better work. I can't separate them. They're so far apart that you have to see them as a progression. In 5 years a person grows. His work should be a reflection of that and it is. I suspect that the next work will be the third in this triptych and that all will become more cohesive.



clapping Well said,

And for those who doubt the man based on his productivity, you have to remember the fact that a lot of the stuff he does between albums never gets any shine.
Between Brown Sugar and Voodoo he had countless songs on b-sides and produced several tracks for other artists that never got recognition.

1996 - Get on the Bus - Girl You Need A Change Of Mind (Caston/Poree)
1996 - Boys Choir of Harlem: Up in Harlem - Overjoyed (Archer/Archer):
1996 - Space Jam - I Found My Smile Again
1996 - The Roots: Illadelph Halflife - The Hypnotic
1996 - High School High - Your Precious Love w/Erykah Badu (Ashford/Simpson)
1996 - Genius/GZA: - Cold World Remix (Debarge/Diggs/Grice/Wonder)
1997 - Scream 2 - She's Always in My Hair (D/Prince)
1997 - B.B. King: Deuces Wild - Ain't Nobody Home (Ragavoy):
1997 - Men in Black - The 'Notic (w/the Roots)
(Bailey/Collins/Dunn/Poyser/Thompson/White)
1997 - Mary J Blige - Everyday - Bside to a UK single
1998 - Lauryn Hill: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill - Nothing Even Matters (Hill)
1998 - Belly - Devil's Pie (D/Martin) Produced by Premier
1998 - Method Man: Tical 2: Judgement Day - Break Ups 2 Make Ups (Barnes/D/Olivier/Smith)
1998 - Down In The Delta - Heaven Must Be Like This (Middlebrooks/Williams/Bonner/Jones/Satchel/Pierce)
1999 - Angie Stone: Black Diamond - Everyday (D/Stone)

2000
Common: Like Water For Chocolate
01. Geto Heaven Part Two (Lynn/Thompson/D/Poyser/Lord/St. Victor/Smith): Vocals, Piano
02. Time Travelin'/Time Travelin' Reprise (Lynn/D/Thompson/Poyser/Yancey): Keyboards
03. Cold-Blooded (Lynn/Thompson/D/Brown/Trotter/Saunders): Claves
Album (except two tracks) produced by The Soulquarian's (D/?uestlove/James Poyser) and Jay Dee
2000 - Slum Village : Fantastic Vol 2 - Tell Me
2000 - Red Hot + Indigo - Caravan (w/ the Roots)
2001 - Baby Boy - Talk Shit 2 Ya (w/ Marlon C)
2002 - Red Hot + Riot - Water No Get Enemy (w/ Femi Kuti, Macy Gray, Roy Hargrove & Nile Rodgers)
2002 - Raphael Saadiq: Instant Vintage - Be Here
2003 - RH Factor [Roy Hargrove]:Hard Groove - I'll Stay
2003 - Raphael Saadiq: All the Hits at the House of Blues - Be Here

So it's not really like folks can say he just sat on his ass between albums. I didn't even include all the remixes he's done (Brandy, Faith Evans, A Tribe Called Quest) and a few b-sides (Everybody Loves the Sunshine). And don't even get me started on the stuff he recorded with others that didn't get released (Eric Clapton, David Sanborn, The Roots) He did have a couple of tours after each album. He really stopped being "productive" in 2003.


I know that D is in and out of the studio. Maybe productive wasn't the right word to use but there are several artists who can produce that amount of work and still release CD's less than five years apart. I know that every artist is different and D has every right to work at his own pace. I would much rather him take his time than rush it but I am a fan and I don't want to have to wait every five years for a studio album. That's just me being selfish because I like his music. A lot of my favorite artists like D'Angelo, Nikka Costa, Janet and Lauryn Hill, take their sweet time releasing CD's. I also know that sometimes it is due to situations out of their control.
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Reply #55 posted 05/31/05 11:13am

purpleone

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psykosoul said:

He really stopped being "productive" in 2003.


true. i guess the only thing we "know" he worked on is his own album and
a track for tip's "open" album, but that record has been shelved. hopefully it
will be included on tip's "live at the renaissance" which will supposedly drop
at the end of summer.
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Reply #56 posted 05/31/05 11:19am

kisscamille

Voodoo is a mastepiece. I've never heard anything like it. Who cares how fat he's gotten as long as he still has the groove.
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Reply #57 posted 05/31/05 12:18pm

murph

Hotlegs said:

Fauxie said:



It's all in the production, not the subject matter. Voodoo is intentionally muddy and bass-heavy. The vocals are more concerned with the sound rather than articulation of the words. This hinders suitability for radio airplay and having successful singles. Voodoo's track are more meandering and less rigidly structured than Brown Sugar's succinct 4 and 5 minute tracks. The overall style of Brown Sugar's production is much cleaner and therefore more commercial. Voodoo is definitely more self-indulgent, though I don't say that as a criticism, and is a pretty deep, brooding piece of work. For these reasons I think you may be on your own in believing Voodoo to be a more commercial album than Brown Sugar.

As for quality, it all depends on what you're after. Brown Sugar is an easier listen, a more instant album you can get into straight away. Voodoo turned some people off and deeply interested others. I think on Voodoo he stretched himself a little more musically and that's why I like it just a shade more than Brown Sugar. What a debut that album is though! Let's hope there's something in the pipeline due to come out before the end of this decade. smile


I still disagree with you simply b/c with Vodooo D'Angelo made this album more of a commercial sound by incoprorating less original sounds of his own and mimicing more of Prince and James Brown on his album. Therefore, this gave him more mass appeal and drew more of broad scale of an audiences. Whereas with his first release, he had less mass apeal and was only marketed music market and his album had more of an orginal sound on that was less Prince and James Brown infused.



Well, he went to another level with Vodooo because 1: he pushed his artistic limits and critics took notice; 2: he had a smart video for the radio hit "Untitled" that more than sold D'Angelo as a sex-symbol, 3: He went out on a successful tour, which always helps with the bottom line...I don't know about Vodooo being unoriginal...that album managed to go platinum, but still went over a lot of people's heads...I respect your opinion, but you might have to do your homework on this one...
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Reply #58 posted 05/31/05 2:14pm

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Hotlegs said:



I still disagree with you simply b/c with Vodooo D'Angelo made this album more of a commercial sound by incoprorating less original sounds of his own and mimicing more of Prince and James Brown on his album. Therefore, this gave him more mass appeal and drew more of broad scale of an audiences. Whereas with his first release, he had less mass apeal and was only marketed music market and his album had more of an orginal sound on that was less Prince and James Brown infused.



..I respect your opinion..

Thanks Murph. However, eventhough most of your buddies swear his 2nd album is the bomb, I love his first album still dammit. Also, you said we were supposed to get together for a nightcap absolut martini . What's up w/ that Murph? Are you scared of me? whip spank
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Reply #59 posted 05/31/05 2:44pm

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Fleshofmyflesh said:

Brown Suga, babe....
Put some mo' on my spice cake...

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