I actually give this album credit for proving one thing.

Where the talent lay in No Doubt..... With Gwen mish mashed with the boys in her band it may have been hard to know Gwen's actual input.
L.A.M.E proved she had virtually no input at all from the real songwriters in No Doubt. Not even the talented producers on the album could hide the fact that Gwen on her own is a lost soul. And she sucks Harajuku monkey cock.

jayaredee said:

Watch out, someone could interpret that as a racial slur.

Anyhow, I remember when Gwen wrote "Underneath It All" and then explained what it was like to actually sit down and write it. It was like an episode of The Ashlee Simpson Show.

VoicesCarry said:

It wasn't meant as a racial slur, it means all she does on her album is kiss their ass, in every fucking song. it's annoying as hell and really lame.

jayaredee said:

I know you didn't mean it like that, just that it could be interpreted that way.

Gwen is borderline imperialist herself, with those Harajuku girls. She carts them around everywhere she goes, they never speak, and she has lyrics like "I'd dress them wicked, I'd give them names".

JANFAN4L said:

Based on 1 album?

jayaredee said:

Watch out, someone could interpret that as a racial slur.

VoicesCarry said:

Oh i know. She treats them like her fucking slaves.
She shows just how hard she tries.

I bet her band mates are in disbelief. I don't think there's any way Gwen could return to No Doubt now that her true colors and intentions have shone.

I also can't believe half this board worships her and dishes on such a superior like Mariah who has proven herself over and over again.

jayaredee said:

Dude, get over it. L.A.M.B. is a glossy, fun record- nothing more, nothing less. You're taking it way too seriously!

As for Mariah proving herself, she has proven herself as what, exactly? A trend-chasing skank with a bitch personality?

No, it's the people who hype up LAMB to be some great thing that take it too seriously, and im here trying to figure out what's happening to mankind and music. And it's not a fun record.

Mariah has proved longevity and actual talent, something Gwen will never have.

jayaredee said:

I haven't seen anyone hype L.A.M.B. as a great thing- only a fun dance record, which it is.

I'd say Gwen has longevity already, having been in the business nearly as long as Mariah and in the mainstream for a decade. Call me crazy, but I prefer Gwen's silly, fun style over Mariah's melodramatic glitter princess schtick any day.

Moonbeam said:

Gwen's longevity is thanks to the boys in No Doubt.

With Mariah her fame is because of her and her voice.

...and her songwriting, showmanship and artistic talent.



...and Tommy Mottola.

Solo Gwen Stefani is like the Cyndi Lauper of today. She's just a fun energetic cute punky pop girl. She's about a million times better than any other pop female out there today--and with No Doubt she is the lead singer of a kick ass band.

Her new shit isn't meant to be rocket science or deep music--just fun pop stuff to dance to. If you don't like it, then the album probably wasn't intended for you anyway.

If Madonna and Cyndi Lauper and Blondie had a child it'd be Gwen Stefani. Deal with it. She's hot.

...and her songwriting, showmanship and artistic talent.



...and Tommy Mottola.

Amen.

Mariah has a technical voice, but she's about as deep as her pores. That's ok, but she comes off taking herself WAYYYYY too seriously.

Moonbeam said:

Huh? I don't get that from her at all.

Anyone who does their Cribs in 5 different outfits while doing stairmaster in stiletto heals is anything BUT serious.

GangstaFam said:

Seeing her cry in that damn video from Glitter (and actually that entire project) is evidence enough. Wasn't it Mariah who scorned Madonna behind the scenes at an award show saying, "How many sales do YOU have"?

Seeing her cry in that damn video from Glitter (and actually that entire project) is evidence enough. Wasn't it Mariah who scorned Madonna behind the scenes at an award show saying, "How many sales do YOU have"?

Moonbeam said:

To be fair, Madonna has dished at Mariah countless times as well

Moonbeam said:

Every diva has to cry at least once for the public. Hell, Janet doing it at every damn show for who knows how many tours wasn't overly dramatic? I wouldn't say that's taking yourself too seriously. I'd just say that's being cheesy. And the whole Madonna thing...that's just catty. When I think of taking yourself too seriously, Mariah's about the last person to come to mind. Those album titles, anyone?

That's why I think she takes herself too seriously. She comes off as a pompous diva who thinks she has depth and soul but with album titles like Glitter and Charmbracelet, it just seems insincere.

...and her songwriting, showmanship and artistic talent.



...and Tommy Mottola.

You mean Tommy bought those 150 million albums she sold?

Anyway, please tell me what songwriting and artistic talent Gwen shows besides being able to sing reasonably well? Her lyrics are ridiculously childish. She doesn't produce.

VoicesCarry said:

She mugs well. That's a talent, no?

So give her a sitcom.

VoicesCarry said:

Better leave that one to Eve.

But seriously, I think she's got decent stage presence and was a good front woman. Her writing has become increasingly irreverant and silly, but I think that's what she was going for. I'm not a fan per se, but I usually enjoy No Doubt's/Gwen's singles when they come out. I think she's capable of writing a semi-meaningful lyric, I just don't think she was trying with this record.

GangstaFam said:

Substitute irrelevant for irreverent, and I'd agree.

She's definitely a great frontwoman. But it's sort of like Blondie/Debbie Harry solo.

VoicesCarry said:

Gwen's hardly irrelevant. She's bigger than ever.

And don't rip on Debbie's solo stuff!

Moonbeam said:

Wow, so 50 Cent is artistically relevant because he sells lots of units? Ok then!