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Why ruin albums with rappers? There is, and has been for a while, a trend to have rappers on many female artists albums. For example, in Beyonce's "Crazy in Love" there is a rapper in the middle of the song. This is one of the most perfect pop songs and the rapping is just a foreign intrusion. It ruins it. It's pointless and unneccessary. It adds absolutely nothing to the song. Other artists that have suffered from this are Mia and Mariah Carey, both of whom are great singers and can rely on their own abilities but then these rappers piggy back on their music and the music loses something for it.
I was very hesistant to even bother listening to Faith Evans "First Lady" when it hit the stores for fear of this exact thing and although there are a couple spots where this is happening, her album isn't saturated with it and the bulk of it is her expressing herself the way she should. Not with some lame ass rap mucking it up. This of course is my personal opinion but I can't see how anybody enjoys rap where it doesn't belong  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Interesting thread.
I disagree on "Crazy In Love." I think Jigga fit well in that song. But I do think that, for the most part, it's a lazy gimmick designed to hook into the young kids. But it sells. Remember, for those under 25, rappers "in the bridge" of pop songs is a staple. Most R&B is produced like hip-hop these days. That's why De La Soul called it "Rap and B.S." backinaday. Sooner or later hip-hop (in its current state) will suffer a backlash and rappers will disappear from the scene altogether. I think it's gonna have to come from the streets first, tho. Right now, it's still the dangerous, "cool," anti-establishment genre. But that WILL change. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Ever since the mid-90's this has been an ongoing trend.
It's hardly ever a necessity, more or less a way to "show off" both individuals. I'm sure there's been some times where it worked well, but I can't think of any at the moment  .
It certainly isn't what I'd call a collaboration (in typical cases), but like I said, it's a trend that has become pedictable and formulaic. | |
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namepeace said: Interesting thread.
I disagree on "Crazy In Love." I think Jigga fit well in that song. But I do think that, for the most part, it's a lazy gimmick designed to hook into the young kids. But it sells. Remember, for those under 25, rappers "in the bridge" of pop songs is a staple. Most R&B is produced like hip-hop these days. That's why De La Soul called it "Rap and B.S." backinaday. Sooner or later hip-hop (in its current state) will suffer a backlash and rappers will disappear from the scene altogether. I think it's gonna have to come from the streets first, tho. Right now, it's still the dangerous, "cool," anti-establishment genre. But that WILL change. Well I disagree about Crazy in love  I edited the rap out of the song and it is much better for it  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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i thought the comment by delasoul was a dis at rap and not r&b music..no? Space for sale... | |
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Oh, I don't know, how about...
...whether it makes musical sense or not. tA  Tribal Disorder
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namepeace said: Interesting thread.
I disagree on "Crazy In Love." I think Jigga fit well in that song. But I do think that, for the most part, it's a lazy gimmick designed to hook into the young kids. But it sells. Remember, for those under 25, rappers "in the bridge" of pop songs is a staple. Most R&B is produced like hip-hop these days. That's why De La Soul called it "Rap and B.S." backinaday. Sooner or later hip-hop (in its current state) will suffer a backlash and rappers will disappear from the scene altogether. I think it's gonna have to come from the streets first, tho. Right now, it's still the dangerous, "cool," anti-establishment genre. But that WILL change. I agree with your disagrement...In other words, Jay-Z on that track, yes! Eric B and Rakim on "Friends" (Jody), yes! Back in the late eighties and through most of the ninties, it worked. Now it's gotten so damn out of control with "featuring" credits, you're not sure who's album it is (thanks, P. Diddy). It worked then but it's crazy now. I hear Janet is going to ruin her new album by adding flavor of the month rappers like Chingy....that's very dissapointing! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: namepeace said: Interesting thread.
I disagree on "Crazy In Love." I think Jigga fit well in that song. But I do think that, for the most part, it's a lazy gimmick designed to hook into the young kids. But it sells. Remember, for those under 25, rappers "in the bridge" of pop songs is a staple. Most R&B is produced like hip-hop these days. That's why De La Soul called it "Rap and B.S." backinaday. Sooner or later hip-hop (in its current state) will suffer a backlash and rappers will disappear from the scene altogether. I think it's gonna have to come from the streets first, tho. Right now, it's still the dangerous, "cool," anti-establishment genre. But that WILL change. Well I disagree about Crazy in love I edited the rap out of the song and it is much better for it "Crazy In Love" is already a short song (I think, supringly, the album verison is shorter than the radio verison!). I think he works on both tracks he raps on work. "That's How I Like It" is my favorite track....very simple. | |
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theAudience said: Oh, I don't know, how about...
...whether it makes musical sense or not. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm You hit it right on the head! It's all about that cash money. It appeals to a younger audience and they're the ones who are mostly buying music these days. | |
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. [Edited 4/27/05 16:17pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: namepeace said: Interesting thread.
I disagree on "Crazy In Love." I think Jigga fit well in that song. But I do think that, for the most part, it's a lazy gimmick designed to hook into the young kids. But it sells. Remember, for those under 25, rappers "in the bridge" of pop songs is a staple. Most R&B is produced like hip-hop these days. That's why De La Soul called it "Rap and B.S." backinaday. Sooner or later hip-hop (in its current state) will suffer a backlash and rappers will disappear from the scene altogether. I think it's gonna have to come from the streets first, tho. Right now, it's still the dangerous, "cool," anti-establishment genre. But that WILL change. Well I disagree about Crazy in love I edited the rap out of the song and it is much better for it You edited Jigga!!!! OMG!! I need to cut ya now!! 
you know one rapper I'm normally ok with.....Jermaine Dupri.....I love most songs he's on! ok, ok...I know i must die now.. 
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Hell, the newer songs are already ruined with those weak hip hop drum machines, the rappers can't make them any worse. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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| @vainandy's comment.
To me, the beats are already hiphop, so it only makes sense to cross-market with a rapper. If Anita Baker put rappers on her album, it wouldn't make sense. "Crazy In Love" made sense due to the beats. Besides that, isn't that Jigga and Beyonce's declaration of love? | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Ever since the mid-90's this has been an ongoing trend.
It's hardly ever a necessity, more or less a way to "show off" both individuals. I'm sure there's been some times where it worked well, but I can't think of any at the moment .
It certainly isn't what I'd call a collaboration (in typical cases), but like I said, it's a trend that has become pedictable and formulaic.
"Crazy In Love" with the Jigga Man is cool. The balance is just right for the mainstream R'n'B/hip hop market. Good example. The bad examples are basically almost anything with that hoochi Jenny 'still from around the fucking block lying bitch' Lopez. She's been riding off the back off rappers on her tracks for ages ( as well as the non-musical talents of her posterior cheeks!) "..My work is personal, I'm a working person, I put in work, I work with purpose.." | |
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When I see these threads, I'm not sure if it's coming from someone who just doesn't like rap music?...or someone who used to be a fan of rap?..but grew out of it?..
Anyway, in some cases the rap verse actually improves the songf (it it's an uptempo song with someone who can't really sing..say like - Ashanti or Mia. Also, perhaps they should just save the rap verse for the remix and not the album cut? Is that what U propose? They used 2 do that back in the day but then consumers wanted the remix version on the album so they started to include it as the bonus track - U guys remember those days. I think the whole rap verse thing started with Bobby "original king of R&b (LOL) Brown in 89 with the Every Little Step - Remix and the whole Bell, Biv, Devoe era...and then it just took off. I think even Prince got caught up in it with his track - Gett Off in 1991, and My name Is Prince in 92. So the conclusion should be - just include the rap for the remixes..like Mario's song and Amerie - the original versions R just fine didn't need a rap but they have remixes with rap artist. However, do you ever hear like an ordinary R&B song and U say to yourself - this needs a remix with a hot rapper? See Toni Braxton's new song - Please - it's begging for a remix....Puffy, Neptunes, where R U, Toni needs U - get Foxy Brown or Lil Kim out of jail Toni needs a rap verse. | |
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goat2004 said: When I see these threads, I'm not sure if it's coming from someone who just doesn't like rap music?...or someone who used to be a fan of rap?..but grew out of it?..
Anyway, in some cases the rap verse actually improves the songf (it it's an uptempo song with someone who can't really sing..say like - Ashanti or Mia. Also, perhaps they should just save the rap verse for the remix and not the album cut? Is that what U propose? They used 2 do that back in the day but then consumers wanted the remix version on the album so they started to include it as the bonus track - U guys remember those days. I think the whole rap verse thing started with Bobby "original king of R&b (LOL) Brown in 89 with the Every Little Step - Remix and the whole Bell, Biv, Devoe era...and then it just took off. I think even Prince got caught up in it with his track - Gett Off in 1991, and My name Is Prince in 92. So the conclusion should be - just include the rap for the remixes..like Mario's song and Amerie - the original versions R just fine didn't need a rap but they have remixes with rap artist. However, do you ever hear like an ordinary R&B song and U say to yourself - this needs a remix with a hot rapper? See Toni Braxton's new song - Please - it's begging for a remix....Puffy, Neptunes, where R U, Toni needs U - get Foxy Brown or Lil Kim out of jail Toni needs a rap verse. I was a fan of rap. It's played out and tired nowadays. I feel like it's lost it's vigor and strength and now it's just marketing and not too different from the manufactured pop that comes out of the craphouse. I just think that rap does not belong in some of these albums. Mariah, Faith, Beyonce....they'd all be better off without it. It's meaningless within their songs and is nothing more than a gimmick as far as I'm concerned. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Mostly rap is crap imo
Anybody with a sense of rhythm can rap 
And Beyonce sucks regardless of anyone rapping through it  [Edited 4/28/05 9:10am] | |
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Dewrede said: Mostly rap is crap imo
Anybody with a sense of rhythm can rap
And Beyonce sucks regardless of anyone rapping through it
[Edited 4/28/05 9:10am] Dude, there's nothing about Beyonce that sucks - what R U smoking man?... | |
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goat2004 said: Dewrede said: Mostly rap is crap imo
Anybody with a sense of rhythm can rap
And Beyonce sucks regardless of anyone rapping through it
[Edited 4/28/05 9:10am] Dude, there's nothing about Beyonce that sucks - what R U smoking man?... If you're lucky there is something about Beyonce that sucks  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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