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Printablenamepeace said: whodknee said: Hell, LL ain't even in the same league as these dudes. I'd rank him below Eminem too because Em's a real MC. LL had some great songs but nothing he's ever said really stands out in my mind. Admittedly, I preferred Kool Moe as I was coming up.
I'd rate Cube up near the top as one of the better story rappers along with your boy Slick Rick. I never really cared for Chuck D nor KRS-1 but you have to acknowledge them atleast... and the list goes on. Well, I agree with a lot of your post, but for about 7 years LL was, I'll say it, in the top tier of MCs. Whither Redman in this convo? Nah Redman be clowning too damn much. Can't take him serous. | |
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well, LL has never been defeated in a battle. He destroyed Canibus, who was nice. | |
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The mark of a great rapper is a freestyle. | |
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LL vs KRS....freestyle. who would win [Edited 4/22/05 21:59pm] | |
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goat2004 said: I have always been a big LL fan and supporter.
However, after listening to Nas, Street's Disciple album, it's very apparent how far behind LL is. Nas album talks about AIDS, crime, drugs, supporting baby mama's, fake rappers, the president, his daughter (in which Nas changes his voice to a Slick Rick style. Although Nas is one of the only political/consious MC's to sell to the masses. (there are countless others but they don't sell) . U got A GREAT point there..he is the essence of a successful Hip Hop Artist. So is Jay Z. Now 2Pac, Nas and Eminem come down as Best RAPpers. Nas' Streets Desciple is his best in my opinion, both socially concious without being boring and made for radio ready headbanging ghetto jams too. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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OnionJuice said: (1985....
1985 - Radio - platinum 1987 - Bigger And Deffer - 2x platinum 1989 - Walking With The Panter - platinum 1990 - Mama Said Knock You Out - 2x platinum 1993 - 14 Shots To the Dome - gold 1995 - Mr Smith - 2x platinum 1996 - All World - platinum 1997 - Phenomenon - platinum 2000 - GOAT - gold 2002 - 10 - gold 2005 - The Definition - gold ....and still going) Whether you love or hate him, you gotta give him his respect. I mean, I love Pac and I love Biggie, but honestly, who has been here from the 80s hiphop era and is STILL here today going strong, making hits and putting out platinum and golds albums? Name one OTHER rapper who started in 80s and is STILL here doin it big. And it ain't just his record sells, but he just has the whole package - he's got lyrical skill, he's got looks, charisma, he's a good role model - he's even lightened up the content of his albums for all ages. Their ain't been a parental advisory sticker was on his albums since the GOAT album. So what if most of his fans are females? When LL first came out with "I Need Love", he was criticized and dissed by alot of hardcore and "gangsta" rappers for being "soft", and not only did LL diss them all back, but he didn't stop doing what music wanted either like Ja Rule did on his "Blood In My Eye" album - Ja could learn from Jason Todd Smith. Hell, even alot of the rapper who dissed him back in the day for making love songs are now giving him props. Cube dissed LL back in the day, but now Westside Connection gave him props on their album. Gotta give it up for L. [Edited 4/21/05 14:53pm] If you're judging his "greatness" in terms of sales alone, then fine, but in terms of quality, LL hasn't made a decent, even interesting album since Mr Smith. He used to have a lot more snap and bite. Now he sounds toothless, smug and irrelevant. [Edited 4/23/05 0:19am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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goat2004 said: namepeace said: Well, I agree with a lot of your post, but for about 7 years LL was, I'll say it, in the top tier of MCs. Whither Redman in this convo? Nah Redman be clowning too damn much. Can't take him serous. I'm sorry, but based onn Whut?, Dare Iz A Darkside and Muddy Waters, you'd be hard pressed to say that Redman wasn't one of the elite MCs of the last 15 years. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: goat2004 said: Nah Redman be clowning too damn much. Can't take him serous. I'm sorry, but based onn Whut?, Dare Iz A Darkside and Muddy Waters, you'd be hard pressed to say that Redman wasn't one of the elite MCs of the last 15 years. I always thought Slim Shady sounded like Redman's brand of offensive humor. | |
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2pac hands down dead or alive i dont think it matters his memory is as alive as any rappers 2day  | |
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grant said: 2pac hands down dead or alive i dont think it matters his memory is as alive as any rappers 2day
Can't disagree with that. Onion Juice appears courtesy of Streethop.com | |
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how about you give love to a dude that's been around for as long as LL Cool J and is actually still good, and isn't preoccupied these days with bodybuilding and bad movies.
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goat2004 said: thesexofit said: 
Hammer is alive right? Ll is cool, but it's too soft for me. "fahter" or whatever that was calld was a cool song. "candy" etc..... I loved his early run dmc biting stuff. He had a beef with hammer. Now he is just beef and hammer is just errrrr hammer! dude, that post is pretty silly...way off the topic but I guess U wanted 2 get your two sense in, LOL. Yeah it was silly. But LL is in the same "fun" and "soft" catorgory as hammer and so is will smith. LL got flowing skills though 4 sure. I just prefer rap with more bite prodcution wise, though I used to play the whole "mama said knock u out" album alot. | |
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CinisterCee said: how about you give love to a dude that's been around for as long as LL Cool J and is actually still good, and isn't preoccupied these days with bodybuilding and bad movies.
Kool G Rap Remember the rapper/MC thing I spoke about earlier? Kool G Rap still good, but his albums don't sell. However, that doesn't make him any less of an MC. Hell, Too Short is still doing his thing, but all his albums don't sell platinum or gold. Onion Juice appears courtesy of Streethop.com | |
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OnionJuice said: (1985....
1985 - Radio - platinum 1987 - Bigger And Deffer - 2x platinum 1989 - Walking With The Panter - platinum 1990 - Mama Said Knock You Out - 2x platinum 1993 - 14 Shots To the Dome - gold 1995 - Mr Smith - 2x platinum 1996 - All World - platinum 1997 - Phenomenon - platinum 2000 - GOAT - gold 2002 - 10 - gold 2005 - The Definition - gold ....and still going) Whether you love or hate him, you gotta give him his respect. I mean, I love Pac and I love Biggie, but honestly, who has been here from the 80s hiphop era and is STILL here today going strong, making hits and putting out platinum and golds albums? Name one OTHER rapper who started in 80s and is STILL here doin it big. And it ain't just his record sells, but he just has the whole package - he's got lyrical skill, he's got looks, charisma, he's a good role model - he's even lightened up the content of his albums for all ages. Their ain't been a parental advisory sticker was on his albums since the GOAT album. So what if most of his fans are females? When LL first came out with "I Need Love", he was criticized and dissed by alot of hardcore and "gangsta" rappers for being "soft", and not only did LL diss them all back, but he didn't stop doing what music wanted either like Ja Rule did on his "Blood In My Eye" album - Ja could learn from Jason Todd Smith. Hell, even alot of the rapper who dissed him back in the day for making love songs are now giving him props. Cube dissed LL back in the day, but now Westside Connection gave him props on their album. Gotta give it up for L. [Edited 4/21/05 14:53pm] Uncle L is in my list of top 10 all-time best rap artists. But Rakim & 2pac are rank higher. | |
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lilgish said: LL is up there, but Paid in Full and Follow the Leader eclipse anything LL has ever done..... and Tupac is not the greatest ever no way he could fuck with Rakim lyrically.
Like everyone (including 50 Cent) trying to be 2pac today, 2pac look up to Rakim as a stardard!!! That said a lot. | |
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OnionJuice said: I don't think y'all understand what Im sayin.
The name of the thread is Greatest Rapper Alive. 2pac would definately be the greatest, but he's dead, he aint physically hear anymore, nor is Biggie. 2pac, Biggie, Nas and Jay-Z are amoung the greatest, but LL started before all them, and with Pac & Big gone and Jay-Z "retired", LL is still going. LL has just it ALL - the hits, longevity, lyrical skill and the fact that he's been in the game since '85 and he stll is here, dropping platinum and albums. Rakim is the greatest MC alive - rappers and MCs are two different types of people cause anybody can rap - the Ying Yang Twins are rappers, Bone Crusher's a rapper. Of course, LL an MC himself, but not on Rakim's level though. [Edited 4/22/05 8:52am] The 7 year theory has passed. 2pac is dead. | |
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lilgish said: LL vs KRS....freestyle. who would win
[Edited 4/22/05 21:59pm] KRS-One by Round 8. Even then, LL would never go home quietly. He'll keep fighting back. | |
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TonyVanDam said: OnionJuice said: I don't think y'all understand what Im sayin.
The name of the thread is Greatest Rapper Alive. 2pac would definately be the greatest, but he's dead, he aint physically hear anymore, nor is Biggie. 2pac, Biggie, Nas and Jay-Z are amoung the greatest, but LL started before all them, and with Pac & Big gone and Jay-Z "retired", LL is still going. LL has just it ALL - the hits, longevity, lyrical skill and the fact that he's been in the game since '85 and he stll is here, dropping platinum and albums. Rakim is the greatest MC alive - rappers and MCs are two different types of people cause anybody can rap - the Ying Yang Twins are rappers, Bone Crusher's a rapper. Of course, LL an MC himself, but not on Rakim's level though. [Edited 4/22/05 8:52am] The 7 year theory has passed. 2pac is dead. No shit.  Onion Juice appears courtesy of Streethop.com | |
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namepeace said: As long as Rakim draws breath, he is the greatest.
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CinisterCee said: namepeace said: I'm sorry, but based onn Whut?, Dare Iz A Darkside and Muddy Waters, you'd be hard pressed to say that Redman wasn't one of the elite MCs of the last 15 years. I always thought Slim Shady sounded like Redman's brand of offensive humor. Both Em and Luda are doing the same thing Reggie Noble was doing more than 10 years ago. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: whodknee said: Hell, LL ain't even in the same league as these dudes. I'd rank him below Eminem too because Em's a real MC. LL had some great songs but nothing he's ever said really stands out in my mind. Admittedly, I preferred Kool Moe as I was coming up.
I'd rate Cube up near the top as one of the better story rappers along with your boy Slick Rick. I never really cared for Chuck D nor KRS-1 but you have to acknowledge them atleast... and the list goes on. Well, I agree with a lot of your post, but for about 7 years LL was, I'll say it, in the top tier of MCs. Whither Redman in this convo? Yeah, LL is up there. I got a little carried away with my point. He's got a better body of work than most and at his best he was better than Eminem and even Kool Moe  , but it's been so long since I could take that fool seriously. Same with Redman. I rocked all his albums up until Doc is Da Name (?). Even after the silly movies, commercials, and t.v. shows I'd definitely put him up there too because he was for real back in the day. |
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LL is okay but he isn't the greatest rapper alive in my opinion. If he stops licking his lips 500 times in 5 minutes, maybe he can stop trying to be like every other rapper in the industry every time he comes out with a record and actually say something meaningful besides how good a woman's ass looks on his lips and how he's such a better rapper than every body else in the industry just because he's been in the game for 15+ years. He needs to calm down. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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whodknee said: namepeace said: Well, I agree with a lot of your post, but for about 7 years LL was, I'll say it, in the top tier of MCs. Whither Redman in this convo? Yeah, LL is up there. I got a little carried away with my point. He's got a better body of work than most and at his best he was better than Eminem and even Kool Moe , but it's been so long since I could take that fool seriously. Same with Redman. I rocked all his albums up until Doc is Da Name (?). Even after the silly movies, commercials, and t.v. shows I'd definitely put him up there too because he was for real back in the day.I can't argue with that. I choose to remember the Redman of 1992-1999. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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In my opinion Radio, Bigger and Deffer and Mama Said Knock You Out were good albums with some great singles. Since then he has only had some great singles which don't really even sound produced by him. He's kind of like Ja-Rule in that way with the duet type hits. | |
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namepeace said: CinisterCee said: I always thought Slim Shady sounded like Redman's brand of offensive humor. Both Em and Luda are doing the same thing Reggie Noble was doing more than 10 years ago. Thank you!  | |
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OnionJuice said: TonyVanDam said: The 7 year theory has passed. 2pac is dead. No shit. Yes, just like Elvis. | |
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ALL THIS.... AND NO PICTURES ????? 
it should be illegal to look that DAMN FINE !!!!!  those lips... my GOD....
yeah, youre right, hes the bestest   One of the best days of my life... http://prince.org/msg/100/291111
love is a gift 
an artist with no fans is really just a man with a hobby.... | |
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TonyVanDam said: OnionJuice said: No shit. Yes, just like Elvis.  Face Down! | |
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CinisterCee said: namepeace said: Both Em and Luda are doing the same thing Reggie Noble was doing more than 10 years ago. Thank you! 
CAN I GET A WITNESS??? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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