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Reply #30 posted 04/21/05 10:30pm

Abdul

Stevie is one of the rare artists who's respected by people in all walks of life. 1970-1980 the man was in the ZONE!!! So many hits, So many album cuts that are classics, the top notch songwritting, great musicanship, what more can I say?
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Reply #31 posted 04/21/05 11:55pm

DavidEye

namepeace said:

I was thinking about this today. Consider his body of work during that time:

1970 Talk of the Town
1970 Signed, Sealed & Delivered
1971 Where I'm Coming From
1972 Music of My Mind
1972 Talking Book
1973 Innervisions
1974 Fulfillingness' First Finale
1976 Portrait
1976 Songs in the Key of Life
1979 Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants
1980 Hotter Than July

This eclipses the output of most other artists over the period of any given decade-long stretch in terms of prolific output, critical acclaim and commercial success.

Or does it?

Anyone care to agree or disagree?




I completely agree nod
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Reply #32 posted 04/21/05 11:58pm

DavidEye

Marrk said:

oh pretty much, infact i'd say definately, daring, bold, experimental, eclectic. What more can you ask for of an artist?. 'July' was 1981 though, correct me if i'm wrong.



Nope,'Hotter Than July' was released in the fall of 1980.
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Reply #33 posted 04/22/05 12:02am

DavidEye

psykosoul said:

Stevie literally dominated the decade. Neither Prince nor Bowie were household names for that long. The Grammy Awards might as well been called the Stevie Wonder Recognition Show for 4 consecutive years. Prince dominated a good portion of the 80s but not like Stevie did from 1970 through 1980.



Didn't Stevie win the "Best Album" Grammy four years in a row? In 1975,the Best Album Award was given to Paul Simon,who actually thanked Stevie for not releasing an album that year lol
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Reply #34 posted 04/22/05 1:58am

Ubiquity

I love Stevie to death, but the greatest run by a solo artist? That gotta be James Brown from 1960 - 1970, the most successful black entertainer in music history.Just have a look at the album releases alone (singles would make another list). Don't forget that in the 1960s, albums were rare, singles were the thing. But the material on these albums is the nucleus of African American music culture.

1960
- Think

1961
- The Amazing James Brown
- James Brown Presents His Band Night Train

1962
- Shout and Shimmy
- JB and His Famous Flames Tour The U.S.A.

1963
- Live at the Apollo
- Prisoner of Love

1964
- Pure Dynamite: Live at the Royal
- Showtime
- Please Please Please (K909 reissue of K610)
- Grits and Soul
- Out of Sight
- The Unbeatable JameslBrown/16 Hits (King K919 reissue of K635)

1965
- Papa's Got a Brand New Bag

1966
- I Got You (I Feel Good)
- JB Plays JB Today and Yesterday
- Mighty Instrumentals
- JB Plays New Breed (The Boo- Ga-Loo)
- It's A Man's Man's Man's World
- Christmas Songs
- Handful of Soul

1967
- The James Brown Show
- Raw Soul
- JB Plays the Real Thing
- Live at the Garden
- Cold Sweat

1968
- JB Presents His Show of Tomorrow
- I Can't Stand Myself (When You Touch Me)
- I Got the Feelin
- JB Plays Nothing But Soul
- Live at the Apollo
- JB Sings Out of Sight (Smash S67109 reissue of S67058)
- Thinking About Little Willie John and a Few Nice Things
- A Soulful Christmas

1969
- Say It Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud
- Gettin' Down To It
- The Popcorn
- It's a Mother

1970
- Ain't It Funky
- Soul on Top
- It's a New Day - Let a Man Come In
- Sex Machine
- Hey America

And the first few years of the 1970s were groundbreaking as well:

1971
- Super Bad
- Sho Is Funky Down Here
- Hot Pants
- Revolution of the Mind

1972
- Soul Classics
- There It Is
- Get on the Good Foot

1973
- Black Caesar
- Slaughter's Big Rip-off
- Soul Classics, Volume 2

1974
- The Payback
- Hell

1975
- Reality
- Sex Machine Today
- Everybody's Doin' the Hustle and Dead on the Double Bump


Gotta say it .. can' beat him!
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Reply #35 posted 04/22/05 2:39am

DavidEye

Ubiquity,what would you say is James Brown's masterpiece? You know....the album that captures him at the peak of his powers?
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Reply #36 posted 04/22/05 3:49am

damosuzuki

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Actually, I think Stevie enjoyed more consistently high commercial success in the 70s than prince did in the 80s, and I don't know how they each exactly compare in terms of prolificness, but I do know that stevie has as many if not more outtakes than prince, and he did produce and write songs for many other artists (though he didn't have any protege acts whose albums were practically unofficial albums of his own the way prince did, unless you count syreeta wright's two albums).


The way I think of it is that Stevie Wonder, in commercial and artistic terms, released an equivalent of Purple Rain or SOTT or Low every year from 71 to 74 and in 76. He didn't just release one or two masterpieces surrounded by interesting but erratic albums. Every album was ambitious and perfect. Bowie and Prince had great runs, but they didn't match the consistent heights that Wonder did.

I think you could make a stronger case for the Stones 67-72 (or 71? when was Exile released?) or, of course, the Beatles.
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Reply #37 posted 04/22/05 3:50am

DavidEye

GangstaFam said:

Moonbeam said:

Prince and David Bowie would have something to say about that. lol

I don't know Stevie's work well enough to say, but based on what I've heard, he can't touch either Prince or Bowie. The Cure was pretty solid from '79 to '89 too.



Listen to Stevie's 70s albums! I'm sure even Prince and Bowie would agree with Namepeace lol
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Reply #38 posted 04/22/05 4:33am

Cloudbuster

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Stevie Wonder '72-'76
David Bowie '71-'77
The Beatles '65-'69
Prince '82-'88
Kate Bush '78-'05 biggrin

They're my fave runs. smile
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Reply #39 posted 04/22/05 4:38am

TheFrog

Cloudbuster said:

Kate Bush '78-'05 biggrin


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Reply #40 posted 04/22/05 4:43am

Cloudbuster

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TheFrog said:

Cloudbuster said:

Kate Bush '78-'05 biggrin


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Reply #41 posted 04/22/05 6:31am

uPtoWnNY

During the Grammy's(I forget the year), I believe Paul Simon won for Best Album. He thanked Stevie for not making an album that year. That's how badass Stevie was.
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Reply #42 posted 04/22/05 6:35am

DavidEye

uPtoWnNY said:

During the Grammy's(I forget the year), I believe Paul Simon won for Best Album. He thanked Stevie for not making an album that year. That's how badass Stevie was.



It was 1975.Stevie didn't release an album that year,but if he had,he surely would have won yet another "Best Album" Grammy.Paul Simon should be grateful lol
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Reply #43 posted 04/22/05 7:03am

WildStyle

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Cloudbuster said:

Stevie Wonder '72-'76
David Bowie '71-'77
The Beatles '65-'69
Prince '82-'88
Kate Bush '78-'05 biggrin

They're my fave runs. smile


MJ... '78-'82?

1978: Destiny
1979: Off The Wall
1980: Triumph
1981: -
1982: Thriller

wink

Nah, but for real... Stevie's run to me is the most incredible from a single artist. I listen to those 70's albums all the damn time ('Hotter Then July' too... some tracks). So many great songs.
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Reply #44 posted 04/22/05 7:06am

Cloudbuster

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WildStyle said:

MJ... '78-'82?

1978: Destiny
1979: Off The Wall
1980: Triumph
1981: -
1982: Thriller

wink


To be fair, I do actually like all his solo studio albums from Off The Wall onwards. Even tho' I like your fave the least, it's still a good album. wink
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Reply #45 posted 04/22/05 7:09am

DavidEye

stop it! Do not turn this into another MJ thread hmph!
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Reply #46 posted 04/22/05 7:56am

Cloudbuster

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Reply #47 posted 04/22/05 7:57am

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Yeah, It'd have to be Stevie, considering not only output and critical acclaim but commercial acceptance--and Looking at both the Pop and R&B charts over a decade....Steveland Morris/Judkins Hardaway would be the one....





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Reply #48 posted 04/22/05 8:31am

namepeace

GangstaFam said:

namepeace said:

This eclipses the output of most other artists over the period of any given decade-long stretch in terms of prolific output, critical acclaim and commercial success.

Well based on these criteria...

They were all about equally prolific, with the edge given to Prince if you include all the side projects and outtakes.

They're all about equally acclaimed critically with the edge probably going to Bowie.

And as far as commercial success in the U.S., Prince outsold either one, right?


Well, I wouldn't say I know enough to say you're dead wrong. But I'll say this:

I think once you get to know Stevie better (and I get to know Bowie better) we will each be fully informed.

But I mean "prolific" in the sense of official releases, and Prince's outtakes are more well-known. Lord only knows what Stevie has in his "vault."

I don't think you can say Bowie has the edge per se. Stevie won every Grammy out there in the 70's (back when the award meant something) and I think you'll find that the critics gushed over him the way they buzzed about Bowie.

As for sales, maybe Prince outsold them both, but he had what neither Bowie nor Stevie had: a monster album paired with a hit movie.

Again, the argument can be made for Stevie. But I'm glad we're drawing Bowie into this as well. And as I said earlier, due to my bias, I tried hard not to include Prince in the initial arguments.
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #49 posted 04/22/05 8:39am

namepeace

andyman said:

Stevie's music was good before & after this, but these albums seem to be the reason he's called a genius. I think five classics in a decade is amazing but others could more easily compete with this than eleven like you claim, like Dylan, Prince, Bowie, Elvis Costello, Springsteen.


This kind of info is why I posted this thread, to draw others into the convo. It's a hard debate to have, and impossible to objectively measure. But on the basis of prolific output, consistent excellence, sustained commercial success and sustained critical acclaim throughout any given decade, it's hard to argue with Stevie (especially vis-a-vis Springsteen and Costello) . . .

But not impossible, wink

calldapplwondery83 said:
I think both Bowie and Prince covered more ground in terms of musical styles than Stevie did, but song writing-wise, Stevie's on top. But I certainly wouldn't want to put either above the others.


Well put. This is kinda like arguing about the greatest teams of all-time, and who woulda beat whom.
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Reply #50 posted 04/22/05 9:19am

Moonbeam

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namepeace said:

I still believe that when you look at all the factors, Stevie, over the course of a 10-year period, towers over virtually everyone else.


I completely agree, but the artists that separate Stevie from towering over "virtually" everyone else to "without a doubt everyone else" are David Bowie and Prince, in my mind. I'm not slating Stevie or his output at all. I just feel that he has some competition. An argument can be successfully made for all three, I'd say.
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Reply #51 posted 04/22/05 9:37am

namepeace

Moonbeam said:

I completely agree, but the artists that separate Stevie from towering over "virtually" everyone else to "without a doubt everyone else" are David Bowie and Prince, in my mind. I'm not slating Stevie or his output at all. I just feel that he has some competition. An argument can be successfully made for all three, I'd say.


Good points, which illustrate why I love this discussion!

P.S. -- From a purely artistic standpoint, I'd say that Beck and Me'Shell Ndegeocello have had stellar runs over a 10-year period as well.
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Reply #52 posted 04/22/05 9:47am

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Stevie's run of artistic and commercial success is quite amazing, Surely that will cement his status as an all-time great.
Another great run - Led Zeppelin (1969-1980)- essentially their entire career, with no major missteps.

It just seems that sometimes an artist has a hot streak , where nothing can go wrong :
Stones (1968-1972), Prince (1980-1988), Elvis Costello (1977-1983)
Jimi Hendrix (1967-1970), Bob Dylan (1964-1968) James Brown (1964-1974)
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Reply #53 posted 04/22/05 9:55am

GangstaFam

namepeace said:

Moonbeam said:

I completely agree, but the artists that separate Stevie from towering over "virtually" everyone else to "without a doubt everyone else" are David Bowie and Prince, in my mind. I'm not slating Stevie or his output at all. I just feel that he has some competition. An argument can be successfully made for all three, I'd say.


Good points, which illustrate why I love this discussion!

P.S. -- From a purely artistic standpoint, I'd say that Beck and Me'Shell Ndegeocello have had stellar runs over a 10-year period as well.

And Bjork's having one right now. wink
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Reply #54 posted 04/22/05 9:55am

Cloudbuster

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namepeace said:

P.S. -- From a purely artistic standpoint, I'd say that Beck and Me'Shell Ndegeocello have had stellar runs over a 10-year period as well.


Actually, if you think about it, there's loads.
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Reply #55 posted 04/22/05 9:57am

Cloudbuster

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GangstaFam said:

And Bjork's having one right now. wink


I think she dipped with the last album, to be honest. I don't dislike it, but it's no way near as good as her previous work. From Debut through to Vespertine she was brilliant, tho'.
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Reply #56 posted 04/22/05 10:06am

GangstaFam

Cloudbuster said:

I think she dipped with the last album, to be honest. I don't dislike it, but it's no way near as good as her previous work. From Debut through to Vespertine she was brilliant, tho'.

And when I think about the criteria of the thread, she doesn't have the prolificness or the commercial success to be a contender.
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Reply #57 posted 04/22/05 10:07am

Cloudbuster

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GangstaFam said:

And when I think about the criteria of the thread, she doesn't have the prolificness or the commercial success to be a contender.


Depends where you look, man. All of her studio albums have hit the top 10 in the UK. wink
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Reply #58 posted 04/22/05 10:11am

GangstaFam

damosuzuki said:

The way I think of it is that Stevie Wonder, in commercial and artistic terms, released an equivalent of Purple Rain or SOTT or Low every year from 71 to 74 and in 76. He didn't just release one or two masterpieces surrounded by interesting but erratic albums. Every album was ambitious and perfect. Bowie and Prince had great runs, but they didn't match the consistent heights that Wonder did.

Again, I don't know Stevie's work well enough to say.

But I do know Bowie inside and out. And I think that Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Station To Station, Low, Heroes, Lodger and Scary Monsters are as near perfection as you get. Hunky Dory, Diamond Dogs and Young Americans are a bit more wobbly, but still pretty stellar. He never had quite the commercial success as Prince and Stevie, but certainly can hold his own creatively. What he lacks in pure musicianship, he makes up for in ideas.

And with Prince, I'm a big fan of some of the albums that most would consider uneven: ATWIAD, Lovesexy, Batman, etc. So I really can't find fault with anything he did in the period discussed. Well, maybe "Ronnie Talk To Russia". lol
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Reply #59 posted 04/22/05 10:12am

GangstaFam

Cloudbuster said:

Depends where you look, man. All of her studio albums have hit the top 10 in the UK. wink

That's true. And she's had quite a few big singles there too.
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