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Reply #30 posted 03/30/05 11:38am

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falloff

I wasn't talking about most of the people here - just people I know well sometimes do this sort of thing. Once it's critically acclaimed, they're into it, for that reason alone. See also: Norah Jones.

If you dig him, ain't no problem with that.

The word often should have signified that I wasn't generalizing to everyone here (although by the looks of it this doesn't seem like the first time you guys have been accused of this lol).

Fair enough. But you also seem to be the first person on every Bjork and Tori thread with no other purpose than to rip on them.
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Reply #31 posted 03/30/05 11:39am

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lilgish said:

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Have U heard his song "Deborah" for Christsake. CLASSIC.


Prince should do a cover of it by the way. It would be hilarious.



That's not my fav song on Midnite Vultures...and P would sound good singing that, but P can actually sing.

I don't really see the need to listen to beck when I can just listen to Paul's Boutique.


He's overrated, I agree, but he was pretty pioneering with that sound. It's different than the Beasties, definitely. Murkier, blues-y guitar, more out-there lyrics...especially on Mellow Gold, still his best in my book. But check out the bonus track "Clap Hands" if you're doubting his continued creativity.
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Reply #32 posted 03/30/05 11:46am

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GangstaFam said:

VoicesCarry said:

falloff

I wasn't talking about most of the people here - just people I know well sometimes do this sort of thing. Once it's critically acclaimed, they're into it, for that reason alone. See also: Norah Jones.

If you dig him, ain't no problem with that.

The word often should have signified that I wasn't generalizing to everyone here (although by the looks of it this doesn't seem like the first time you guys have been accused of this lol).

Fair enough. But you also seem to be the first person on every Bjork and Tori thread with no other purpose than to rip on them.


If by "every", you mean "1 or 2 of the gajillion that have been posted", and if by "rip on them", you mean "compliment Bjork for being an intelligent woman who makes worthwhile music even though I don't happen to get it", then yes, you're correct.

Still think Tori is just a cheap-ass Kate Bush clone, though. Can't help it.
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Reply #33 posted 03/30/05 11:48am

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VoicesCarry said:

IstenSzek said:




you know what, I think that argument is just not good enough smile

it's always the same with people, soon as you say you like one
of those artists (god forbid you should like them all), you're
quickly labeled an "elitist prick", who only namedrops those
artists because they're supposedly cool.

much in the same way, people who are always quick to put such
music and it's followers down, could also be considered a bunch
of "elitists" in that they believe they somehow assimilated all
of that work into their system and decided it was crap, before
regurgitating it and consequently obsessively putting it down as
pretentious wankery.

no, no, i'm very sorry, but that kind of argument simply ain't
good enough no more.

now, don't call me elitist, because I have a very distinct fear
that I'm constantly spelling "elitist" completely wrong

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falloff

I wasn't talking about most of the people here - just people I know well sometimes do this sort of thing. Once it's critically acclaimed, they're into it, for that reason alone. See also: Norah Jones.

If you dig him, ain't no problem with that.

The word often should have signified that I wasn't generalizing to everyone here (although by the looks of it this doesn't seem like the first time you guys have been accused of this lol).
[Edited 3/30/05 11:28am]


hug

I know hun, I was just trying to be elitist in my response lol
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Reply #34 posted 03/30/05 11:49am

VoicesCarry

IstenSzek said:

VoicesCarry said:



falloff

I wasn't talking about most of the people here - just people I know well sometimes do this sort of thing. Once it's critically acclaimed, they're into it, for that reason alone. See also: Norah Jones.

If you dig him, ain't no problem with that.

The word often should have signified that I wasn't generalizing to everyone here (although by the looks of it this doesn't seem like the first time you guys have been accused of this lol).
[Edited 3/30/05 11:28am]


hug

I know hun, I was just trying to be elitist in my response lol


I know, hence the "falloff" wink
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Reply #35 posted 03/30/05 11:49am

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He doesn't care what his record sounds like is his thing I think. He doesn't care about the particulars, just as long as the sound is there, the mix isn't important.


and i like his voice too. it's the kinda dopey voice that works equally well when rapping (because it sounds quirky and nerdy) or when he's deep in a bluesy mood.


his music has charisma, too.


because i like crap. pure and simple


lil, quit playin'.


beck's music is....i do not know....how you say....
FUN!!!!


Beck guarantees a ride plain and simple. The man might not have the best voice but he definitely knows how to use it to effect with his music. He's a freaken genius as far as I'm concerned


hmmm
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Reply #36 posted 03/30/05 11:50am

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Reply #37 posted 03/30/05 11:51am

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Reply #38 posted 03/30/05 11:57am

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VoicesCarry said:

If by "every", you mean "1 or 2 of the gajillion that have been posted", and if by "rip on them", you mean "compliment Bjork for being an intelligent woman who makes worthwhile music even though I don't happen to get it", then yes, you're correct.

Still think Tori is just a cheap-ass Kate Bush clone, though. Can't help it.

Nevermind.
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Reply #39 posted 03/30/05 11:57am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Beck guarantees a ride plain and simple. The man might not have the best voice but he definitely knows how to use it to effect with his music. He's a freaken genius as far as I'm concerned nod



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Reply #40 posted 03/30/05 11:59am

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lilgish said:

He doesn't care what his record sounds like is his thing I think. He doesn't care about the particulars, just as long as the sound is there, the mix isn't important.




Beck guarantees a ride plain and simple. The man might not have the best voice but he definitely knows how to use it to effect with his music. He's a freaken genius as far as I'm concerned


hmmm



Look - a lot of people like him for various reasons - same as any other artist. You don't care for Beck, that's OK.
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Reply #41 posted 03/30/05 12:02pm

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VoicesCarry said:

GangstaFam said:


Fair enough. But you also seem to be the first person on every Bjork and Tori thread with no other purpose than to rip on them.


If by "every", you mean "1 or 2 of the gajillion that have been posted", and if by "rip on them", you mean "compliment Bjork for being an intelligent woman who makes worthwhile music even though I don't happen to get it", then yes, you're correct.

Still think Tori is just a cheap-ass Kate Bush clone, though. Can't help it.

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Reply #42 posted 03/30/05 12:02pm

VoicesCarry

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

VoicesCarry said:



If by "every", you mean "1 or 2 of the gajillion that have been posted", and if by "rip on them", you mean "compliment Bjork for being an intelligent woman who makes worthwhile music even though I don't happen to get it", then yes, you're correct.

Still think Tori is just a cheap-ass Kate Bush clone, though. Can't help it.

Oooooh! You're gonna get a spankin for that spank


Why do you think I said it? wink boff
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Reply #43 posted 03/30/05 12:06pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

lilgish said:



hmmm



Look - a lot of people like him for various reasons - same as any other artist. You don't care for Beck, that's OK.


He's ok, I guess, but it sounds really contrived to me. When someone like David Byrne mixes styles, it sounds organic. What's with the Bjork, Radiohead comparisons by some folks, their way different.
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Reply #44 posted 03/30/05 12:19pm

Anxiety

lilgish said:


He's ok, I guess, but it sounds really contrived to me. When someone like David Byrne mixes styles, it sounds organic. What's with the Bjork, Radiohead comparisons by some folks, their way different.


what sounds contrived about his music? just askin'. i might agree.
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Reply #45 posted 03/30/05 1:14pm

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Anxiety said:



what sounds contrived about his music? just askin'. i might agree.



His arrangements don’t sound like a cohesive mix to me, more of a superfluous “pasting” of identifiable hooks. There seems to be a direct intention to reference a particular sound at certain point within the composition. It’s a retro sound, but the production seems to be entirely studio engineered (Beck has always sounded better live to me, especially during the Midnite Vultures album)

First, let me say Mellow Gold is my favorite of his albums. Sea Change is also a very interesting listen; it’s just that my small circle of musical friends thinks he's the greatest thing…and I’m like…. I don’t get it.
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Reply #46 posted 03/30/05 1:21pm

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I concur- Beck = barf for me.
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Reply #47 posted 03/30/05 1:23pm

Anxiety

lilgish said:

Anxiety said:



what sounds contrived about his music? just askin'. i might agree.



His arrangements don’t sound like a cohesive mix to me, more of a superfluous “pasting” of identifiable hooks. There seems to be a direct intention to reference a particular sound at certain point within the composition. It’s a retro sound, but the production seems to be entirely studio engineered (Beck has always sounded better live to me, especially during the Midnite Vultures album)

First, let me say Mellow Gold is my favorite of his albums. Sea Change is also a very interesting listen; it’s just that my small circle of musical friends thinks he's the greatest thing…and I’m like…. I don’t get it.
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so it sounds to you like he's interpreting nostalgia in quotation marks?
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Reply #48 posted 03/30/05 1:49pm

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Anxiety said:

because i like crap. pure and simple. nod



:LOL:

Yeah, that's something I've never understood. If you have bad vocals, why sing? Damn. Lou Reed, Bruce Springsteen, Beck, it just keeps getting worse and worse. Granted, opera singers will put most pop singers under the table, but at least SOME talent should be required before trying to sing.

"Yoooo, got what I neeeeed", used to be a joke. Now it's the fashion.

Having said all that, what's so good about Beck?
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Reply #49 posted 03/30/05 1:50pm

Anxiety

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Anxiety said:

because i like crap. pure and simple. nod



:LOL:

Yeah, that's something I've never understood. If you have bad vocals, why sing? Damn. Lou Reed, Bruce Springsteen, Beck, it just keeps getting worse and worse. Granted, opera singers will put most pop singers under the table, but at least SOME talent should be required before trying to sing.

"Yoooo, got what I neeeeed", used to be a joke. Now it's the fashion.

Having said all that, what's so good about Beck?


two words: SEA CHANGE.

you can't talk to me about beck having a bad voice until you listen to that album. until then, i don't even wanna hear it. no no no!

as for artists with bad voices, most of 'em tend to be pretty amazing songwriters and/or performers and/or musicians. some of 'em sing the way they do because they're trying to ape the style of classic blues singers. and of course, some artists just suck. lol
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Reply #50 posted 03/30/05 1:53pm

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Alasseon said:

Lou Reed


Tongue and cheek perhaps, biggrin
Lou Reed is awesome, if beck sounded anything like him...I would be on board.
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Reply #51 posted 03/30/05 1:54pm

Anxiety

lilgish said:

Alasseon said:

Lou Reed


Tongue and cheek perhaps, biggrin
Lou Reed is awesome, if beck sounded anything like him...I would be on board.


cue the 'berlin' album.....bow
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Reply #52 posted 03/30/05 1:57pm

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Anxiety said:


so it sounds to you like he's interpreting nostalgia in quotation marks?


Yea, Sea Change might be the exception to that though.
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Reply #53 posted 03/30/05 2:08pm

Anxiety

lilgish said:

Anxiety said:


so it sounds to you like he's interpreting nostalgia in quotation marks?


Yea, Sea Change might be the exception to that though.


i think sea change is an exceptionally soulful and sincere album, no matter who created it. to be honest, i'm not crazy about 'mellow gold' and there are parts of 'mutations' that i can take or leave...i really love 'odelay' and i initially went bonkers over 'midnite vultures', but burned out on it pretty quickly. i'm not sure how i'll absorb 'guero' once the honeymoon phase wears off, but 'sea change' is still one of my desert island discs.
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Reply #54 posted 03/30/05 2:19pm

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Look - a lot of people like him for various reasons - same as any other artist. You don't care for Beck, that's OK.


He's ok, I guess, but it sounds really contrived to me. When someone like David Byrne mixes styles, it sounds organic. What's with the Bjork, Radiohead comparisons by some folks, their way different.


Well, Byrne is a good artist, and I can acknowledge that, even tho he doesn't do it for me. It wasn't until I heard "Sexx Laws" that I got into Beck, because he was just crazy and able to have fun. I dug the whole schizo sound of the album. Especially "Debra," which is a) a homage to the slow jam, b) funny as hell, and c) a brilliant satire.

It was Sea Change that made me take Beck seriously. The lush sound of the record, plus Beck's exquisite songwriting, just did it for me. Some don't dig his sound, and I can see why. But he's got substantial talent and he's one of my favorite post-Prince artists around.

He's justifying my admiration with Guero.
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Reply #55 posted 03/30/05 2:24pm

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david byrne is someone who i idolize in theory, but in practice i find his work progressively obtuse and precious. i don't like typing that, because i am nothing short of reverent of talking heads, but it's just how i feel. his last album had some nice moments on it, though i really don't think he needs to be singing any more opera. but i guess that's the problem i have with byrne - he throws himself into the styles that interest him with such abandon and indulgence, that unless you're up for going on the ride with him, you wind up feeling a little bit, "huh?" i feel that way about most of byrne's solo stuff. though i liked 'uh-oh' a lot - it was a good pop album that fused in his brazilian music obsession nicely.
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Reply #56 posted 03/30/05 2:26pm

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Anxiety said:

david byrne is someone who i idolize in theory, but in practice i find his work progressively obtuse and precious. i don't like typing that, because i am nothing short of reverent of talking heads, but it's just how i feel.


Wow, about which artist have I heard THAT before?
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Reply #57 posted 03/30/05 2:29pm

Anxiety

namepeace said:

Anxiety said:

david byrne is someone who i idolize in theory, but in practice i find his work progressively obtuse and precious. i don't like typing that, because i am nothing short of reverent of talking heads, but it's just how i feel.


Wow, about which artist have I heard THAT before?


right? lol

yeah, i noticed that.

which i guess brings us to the inevitable suggestion that our tastes are subjective and what's inspiring to one person can be pretentious to another. yeah?
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Reply #58 posted 03/30/05 2:37pm

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Anxiety said:

Alasseon said:




:LOL:

Yeah, that's something I've never understood. If you have bad vocals, why sing? Damn. Lou Reed, Bruce Springsteen, Beck, it just keeps getting worse and worse. Granted, opera singers will put most pop singers under the table, but at least SOME talent should be required before trying to sing.

"Yoooo, got what I neeeeed", used to be a joke. Now it's the fashion.

Having said all that, what's so good about Beck?


two words: SEA CHANGE.

you can't talk to me about beck having a bad voice until you listen to that album. until then, i don't even wanna hear it. no no no!

as for artists with bad voices, most of 'em tend to be pretty amazing songwriters and/or performers and/or musicians. some of 'em sing the way they do because they're trying to ape the style of classic blues singers. and of course, some artists just suck. lol


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LOL!

Okay, too many smart people admire Beck for me to write him off without really listening. Which album do you recommend as a Beck primer?

smile
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Reply #59 posted 03/30/05 2:41pm

Anxiety

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LOL!

Okay, too many smart people admire Beck for me to write him off without really listening. Which album do you recommend as a Beck primer?

smile


honestly? the new one. why? because it has elements from all his albums tied into it. stylistically, 'guero' is almost like a greatest hits album, in a manner of thinking.

if you like something that's really lush and deep and less goofy, get sea change. this album isn't about beck being his goofy self. it's a really nice piece of music that was put together with care.
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