He was some Madonna type hype gimmick loser! Remember when he changed his name

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Yeah, I'm not down with that hardcore-anti-religious stuff.

EvilWhiteMale said:

As did it for me. Holy Wood was the first Manson album I bought, and I loved it. Coma Black was such an intoxicating song when I first heard it, which is why I still adore is so much.

I've heard about Slipknot's pits, but not about Hatebreed's (but I have heard of the band). I put Lamb Of God down because some friends of mine went to one of their shows and broke a couple bones, so they were the first thing on my mind... not to mention I had been playing New American Gospel earlier in the day.

ElectricBlue said:

What are you talking about?

PurpleMusiq8 said:

It really depends on the crowd. Sometimes there are a bunch of juice heads in the pits who get off on punching and kicking people. That's not what moshing is supposed to be about. I always love to be in a good pit, but I don't get stupid in there.

But yeah, the Slipknot and Hatebreed pits are some of the craziest I've seen.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Yeah, "slam dancing" or "slamming".

manson is pure entertainment i love the guy's albums n especially the videos ,... btw,....

i am no teenager at 41 ! just a music lover.

danielboon said:

No no no, you have to tell them you're a 14 year old goth kid who knows nothing about good music. Otherwise their heads will explode.

Xavier23 said:

First off, those weren't "heretic marks" or Nazi war symbols on the stage for that tour. The symbol shown is the "shock" symbol, commonly used on electrical equipment to warn of electrocution hazard. Yes, the stage design and show did echo facism, but that is the point of Anti-Christ Superstar. The whole album is about how our society creates its own monsters. The character in Anti-Christ Superstar is abused and tormented as a child, which leads him to become a hateful, power hungy facist oppressor. None of the album is about Satanism, in any way. Yes, the character is a self-proclaimed Anti-Christ, but he also proclaims himself to be anti-people. This is the point that the character is crossing a line, which eventually leads to his total destruction (as well as that of society's). The character's meglomania is self-destructive, but it also takes its tole on the world. There is a message here, about how we are raising our children, and how we are fascinated by the dark, evil and obscene.

This is a character that Manson is playing, the same as Bowie did on Ziggy Stardust, Waters did on Pink Floyd's The Wall and Prince did with his Camille persona on the Lovesexy tour. Manson also played the characters Omega and Mercury on the subsequent albums (which form a trilogy of sorts). Its all a story, with a message. Yes, its meant to be shocking, but if you only look at the surface you are missing much of the point.

As to your charge that he should be banned, THAT is a highly fascist idea. Free speech and expression are things that should always be preserved, EVEN IF you disagree with what someone is saying. Its an inalienable human right.



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The only thing that Manson ever said that really made me cringe was when he screamed out "Fuck safe sex!" in the GG&G tour video, and the crowd cheered.

The point so many people miss about Manson is that he isn't just about shock value. He is presenting a "look at how much milage I can get off of shock value." facade.
It is very similar to the "look how much I can make off a pop song" Prince gave us with Cream.

Manson is exploring the absurdity of the rock star, the same way Prince and Bowie, and early Jagger did.

Musically he certainly has talent, just hasn't been my thing before or after Mechanical Animals.

thesexofit said:

His version kicks ass! I love his first album too!

EvilWhiteMale said:

Cradle of arse buckets is a joke!

Tom said:

Really? I hadn't seen that.

Ew.

I saw Manson back in the early 90's and his band truly sucked.
He had to resort to alot of shcok tactics to keep the audience entertained.


Manson tody is very good, actually. His song written skills since Anti-Christ are pretty spot on.

Yeah--he plays with disturbing imagry, but I'm wouldn't pay 50 bucks to go so the Oakridge boys.

dancerella said:

That's true. I think they blow. But they're a little more hardcore with their "shock value" stuff.

Xavier23 said:

Marilyn Manson is a crusader for free speech. Saying what you said would limit his right...

Xavier23 said:

That's so cool.

CynthiasSocks said:

What's all this Leonard Peltier thing about?

Someone on the org once said that Mason will someday be forgotten about and no one will care. Well, threads like these prove that won't happen anytime soon.

noonblueapples said:

You NAILED it! This is especially what Mechanical Animals is about, but the whole theme of the ridiculousness of celebrity runs throughout his work. His name alone echoes the asinine fact that a starlet and a serial killer can both acheive the same level of fame.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Love him or hate him, you cannot deny he is probably the most interesting guy in the metal world for the last ten years. Props go out to EvilWhiteMale & Jedimaster, they get it. People, you gotta look at his lyrics to see how thought provoking they truly are. Check out www.mansonuse.com they have every lyric posted there.

Whoops, it's www.mansonusa.com

MrRedbell said:

Thanks for the kind words, and for the link!

BinaryJustin said:

I don't know. If what I read is true it sure sucks for Leonard!



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JediMaster said:

Yeah, it's a cool site. That's where I get all my Manson info from.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Seems pretty cool! I'm amazed I'd never run across it.

JediMaster said:

Like I said, not a fan, but I've always loved his stage name and why he chose it.
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meow85 said:

Cool that you grasp that, even though you're not a fan. His music isn't eveyone's cuppa tea, and he's really an aquired taste. Still, way too many people just want to dismiss him without really examining his work. I totally respect that you have done so.