I still see and hear people calling MJ the self-proclaimed King of Pop. Well guys, if you think he´s not, than WHO IS IT?????

It doesn't matter, the fact is he is self procclaimed, by Miss Liz Taylor.
No one started calling him that until he asked to be called it. and even on tv they call him self procclaimed

dag said:

Justin Timberlake of course.

You know I won´t agree with it, but hey whatever....

So I took my problems to a doctor
So he could check it out, he don't know
Took it to a palm reader so she could
Read my hand, she don't know
Five minutes later I started to understand
I started screaming, shouting, acting mad
No one could help me but myself
But I gave everything I had

It's things I do for you
In return do the same for me
It's things I do for you
In return do the same for me










sorry

dag said:

Well, better be selfproclaimed King Of Pop then all the other names he is being called.

But still. It is just a name he gave himself. He is a dinosaur that will not make the transcend to the next age. Everything about him is already void, except his old music as source of inspiration.

It's only self-proclaimed since he fell from grace. When KOP first came into use, it was KOP this and KOP that. KOP or any title is dumb, and thats whats been wrong with mike after he blew up, he started worrying about shit that didn't have to do with music. Mike is the biggest global pop star we've ever seen and the most popular star to come after elvis and the beatles...so I guess that makes him popular...but when it comes down to it he was really the KOP before he was called the KOP..a time when he soley concentrated on his craft.
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HamsterHuey said:

But it can be said for every other artist who's been in the bussiness as long as him. Plus he still sells like no other

LightOfArt said:

That's not really true, look at Cher. She's played with all the styles that were popular in the eras she was making music.
At one time she was a hippie and now she's really popular with the younger crowd because she has shifted to what is cool.

Prince and MJ have been making solo material for over 25 years.

One is winning Grammy's, One is in court for sucking off little boys.

Which one is king to you?

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jayaredee said:

Yeah but MJ sells much more than Cher(check out amits topics). He's making new fans. Infact, most of the mj boards are 70% teenagers. There was one topic at one mj board asking "how old are you, when did you become a fan and why?" Most of them kids said they got into mj after Bashir and BECAUSE of bashir documentary.

Whoever outsells Thriller?

Not that that will ever happen.

SquirrelMeat said:

MJ has been releasin music for 38 years. When he's in court for sucking off little boys, he's selling almost 20000 albums a week.



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LightOfArt said:

Oooh! The record sales make it allright then? LoL

HamsterHuey said:

record sales makes what alright?

I'm just saying that the even at the worst part of his life, he's still selling more than his fellow superstars. that says something about is 'career'

SquirrelMeat said:

When did this turn into a Prince vs MJ thread ?

Which one is king to you?

I don't think P wants to be called the king of anything.



He's not accused of that act.



Mike has three times as many grammy's, but I guess they only mean something when P wins one.
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Marrk said:

exactly.
when someone finally outsells thriller then they can be the new kop.
when someone becomes more popular than mj was in his heyday then they can be the new kop - and i mean with ALL the hoopla. cryin, fallin out, ambulances takin people out on stretchers, etc

SquirrelMeat said:

Classy. Using Prince's Grammy's to bash MJ with. Classy and stupid.

fortunately, as a fan of both guys, i'm not going to stoop to your level and bash Prince in any way, but when Mike walks free, i sincerely hope he gets in that studio and records some real quality music that people actually want to buy.

That's all i'm saying.

lilgish said:

Dear oh dear.

I said OVER 25 year, not exactly 25 years. You defence is so weak you are attempting nit picking to try and win.

None of us know the exact implications against MJ, but it revolves around touching boys. Fact.

It doesn't matter how many grammy's he got. He's not the one winning them now.
A cupboard full of Grammy's isn't a defence for not winning then now, being the "King of pop" or sleeping with little boys.

AWWW GAT DAYUM

Marrk said:

I'm a big fan of MJ music too. But that does not make him innocent or guilty. but your mind is made up. So whos stupid.

The thread is asking if MJ is the king of pop. So my statement is based on simple fact. He is no where near a Grammy in his genre, and he is in court for child abuse.

Is he still the king of pop to you?

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LightOfArt said:

It doesn't matter. I realize MJ sells more than every other artist.

But Cher has shifted over from generation to generation pleasing each one.

She scored a #1 hit with the Believe album in 1998 and was 52 years old.

MJ's latest effort being Invincible, though it still sold a lot, has not even scratched the surface of his other efforts...

Though Cher cannot outsell MJ, she is selling more at 58 than she was at 24, that says a lot

jayaredee said:

I see your point.

jayaredee said:

Who held the longest time between number ones before her? Yea thats right..two sappy ballads Ben-----you are not alone....

lilgish said:

give it up dear

Cher has been making music as long as MJ.
i never said she was more talented, she just knows what it takes to remain more relevant, that's all i said

This court thing has NOTHING to do with his music!
And if you ask, yes he still IS the king of pop to me. There´s noone out there right now, who could replace. All I am seeing these days are clones of MJ, which proves him - besides the sales, great music, groundbreaking dance and music videos- once again the title!

It is interesting that NOBODY has ever made a fuss about Elvis being the "king of rock ń roll"

As for Prince - I don´t think he does pop. To me - he´s the KING OF FUNKY MUSIC!!!

SquirrelMeat said:

I never thought he was, you'll never find me utter or type that title. As for my mind being made up, yes, i do believe in him and want him to be innocent. Is that so wrong?

I find people salivating in the hope he's guilty quite unsettling.

Grammy's are irrelevant. However, I would remind you though Mike's well into double figures. Prince won his first two in twenty years in return for opening the Grammy's last year and a fantastic 'give-away as in can't sell' marketing strategy in this last year. More irrelevance, salewise, 'Musicology' is nowhere near that mega flop 'Invincible' or even 'Blood On The Dancefloor'. A 'shitty' remix album for fucks sake!!

I guess i stooped.

dag said:

Good point.

However, I would say, by your very definition, if we stick purely to the music, then the question is...

Is he the king of POPular music? Popular is not a genre, unlike Rock n Roll, or RnB. It contains what is currently popular.

Then I would say no, he is not the king of POPular music anymore.

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Marrk said:

Actually, I like the Blood On The Dancefloor album! (I'm the stoopid one!)
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SquirrelMeat said:

That's fair enough except Prince isn't known as a King of anything and much to his credit probably wouldn't want to be.