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dragondayz

Simon Cowell on Today's pop stars!

http://www.usaweekend.com...owell.html


Simon sez (... everything, with brutal honesty)

As expected, tough talent critic Simon Cowell has more than "American Idol" on his mind. He sounds off on lip-syncing, pop fashion and who could take whom in head-to-head competition.

By Frappa Stout
Cover: Simon Cowell

Yes, he has earned his reputation as the bad boy of television. The Brit talent manager turned American reality show icon is the reality check, the voice of brutal honesty and, sometimes, the dream destroyer for legions of wannabe pop stars on his hit show, "American Idol."

But Cowell, who this year also is a judge for our USA WEEKEND Songwriting Contest for Teens, can be surprisingly charming -- and, let's face it, he's usually right.

Judge for yourself with this exclusive Cowell sound-off.

Here's Simon on ...

What makes a star a star
It's talent, determination, selfishness, originality. And luck plays a big part in it. Take Britney Spears, landing that ... "Baby One More Time" song, only after TLC turned it down. You just can't account for that kind of thing when planning a career.

This season's "American Idol", crew
The guys are much cooler -- they take longer strides when they come in. They are not the particular kind of stage-school wannabe artists we are used to seeing. Fantasia really changed the competition, because she was a very credible, cool artist and wasn't seen as a pop brat. Thank God she won, because if the other girl had won -- Diana bloody DeGarmo -- that would have been a disaster. She was turning the show into a kind of pageant.

Regretting something he said
Very, very rarely. All I care about is giving an honest assessment.

How often he's impressed
Not very often. There's a girl called Katie Melua, who is kind of like an English Norah Jones. I also think [British soul singer] Joss Stone is terrific.

Talent -- it matters after all?
In the long term, absolutely. But we live in a world where weird things happen. I mean, if you told me an artist who isn't selling so many records can go on a reality show and pretend to be stupid -- saying she didn't know that Chicken of the Sea wasn't chicken -- and then off the back of that her sister will get a reality show and become a star ... It's not exactly plotting a career, is it?

Speaking of which -- Ashlee vs. Jessica?
Ah, God. There is no denying that Jessica can sing, but ... she turned herself into this dumb blonde, a bit like Marilyn Monroe. I like the sister.

Lip-syncing vs. sounding bad
I think it's about what the public wants to hear. It takes so long to make a record sound great in the studio. I was sitting at home recently, listening to Enrique Iglesias singing live on a late-night television show, doing the worst I'd ever heard in my life. I remember thinking, "Is it really worth it for the sake of credibility?"

The Prince-Madonna Syndrome
They've got 50-year careers because their songs stand the test of time -- the old ones, anyway. But they are still obsessed with plugging their new music. When you go see Madonna or Prince, you don't want to hear the new material.

Usher as the new Michael Jackson
I don't think he's as good as Michael Jackson at his peak, because you're not going to be listening to the Usher records in 10 years in the same way we listen to "Thriller" and "Billie Jean," because they still sound amazing. But he's a very switched-on, sensible, motivated guy. He's at the top of his game at the moment.

Usher vs. Justin Timberlake?
If I had to have one of the two, I would take Usher any day. The interesting thing about Justin is, he is a white boy who has tried to make himself black over the years. So you get the impression sometimes that he wants to be something he's not.

The pop-star look
I think image is important when it's a unique image. Eminem is a good example, because he's got his own thing happening, and it reflects his personality. In R&B at the moment, particularly with a lot of female singers, it is very difficult to spot the difference between 10 of them. They all have the same-sounding first names, or they all sound alike and dress identically.

Beyoncé vs. Alicia Keys?
Beyoncé has made one very, very good pop record, "Crazy in Love." [But] I went to see her in concert in Vegas, and I was bored out of my mind. Alicia is smart and a fantastic songwriter ... like a modern-day Carole King.

Singing movie stars
It's risky. Minnie Driver tried it recently and fell flat on her face. I can understand the popularity of Hilary Duff, and she sings well, and Lindsay Lohan will be a huge star. J.Lo was one of the first, but the interesting thing about her is that she's never made a great movie or a great record. But she's still a star.

FCC crackdowns on indecency after Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction"
Ironically, I think what happened helped Janet in the short term. She made a very weak album. There are other things to worry about, like so many songs pushing gun culture. When I was younger, I was never buying records telling me to beat a girl up or buy a gun. That's where you have real problems.

The death of the music video
They are less and less important, and their outlets are becoming smaller. I think only 5% of MTV's programming now is videos. The trouble is that they have become the equivalent of moving wallpaper. You notice them, but you can't remember them. If you asked me to describe an Usher video, I couldn't remember any.

Becoming rich and famous
Luckily, I'm in my 40s, so it hasn't turned my head in any way. It has helped my business. It's been fun, but I don't think it's going to last much longer.

Who we'll listen to in 10 years
Christina Aguilera. She is an unbelievable talent. Christina's "Beautiful" is one of the best pop records I have ever heard in my life.

His Grammy picks (for next Sunday)
I like Maroon 5. Usher will win everything, I'm sure of that.

Simon predicts ...
Over the next few years, you will see more emphasis on artists appealing to an older audience. No question about it. We are going back to an era when artists like Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin were selling to people 40-plus. That is why Elvis Presley and the Beatles were so successful -- because they were selling records to 18-year-olds and 50-year-olds.

Norah Jones is a good example, and that is why she has sold so many records. Josh Groban is another example, and Clay Aiken.

Mark my words.
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Reply #1 posted 02/06/05 10:57am

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you know, hate on what christina has done to her image (somebody slap her) but i agotta agree..Beautiful is a wonderful song...and she executed it nicely.
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Reply #2 posted 02/06/05 11:01am

RipHer2Shreds

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Usher vs. Justin Timberlake?
If I had to have one of the two, I would take Usher any day. The interesting thing about Justin is, he is a white boy who has tried to make himself black over the years. So you get the impression sometimes that he wants to be something he's not.

Sometimes? How about all the time. I don't mind his music, but he, himself, is so phony that it gets in the way of any possible enjoyment of his music. Like when he was talking to a reporter on the red carpet of the Soul Train awards last year. "I grew up listening to Stevie Wonder and Donny Hathaway." Stop lying...no you didn't. You may have listened to them, but I doubt you grew up on them.
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Reply #3 posted 02/06/05 12:29pm

VoicesCarry

RipHer2Shreds said:

dragondayz said:

Usher vs. Justin Timberlake?
If I had to have one of the two, I would take Usher any day. The interesting thing about Justin is, he is a white boy who has tried to make himself black over the years. So you get the impression sometimes that he wants to be something he's not.

Sometimes? How about all the time. I don't mind his music, but he, himself, is so phony that it gets in the way of any possible enjoyment of his music. Like when he was talking to a reporter on the red carpet of the Soul Train awards last year. "I grew up listening to Stevie Wonder and Donny Hathaway." Stop lying...no you didn't. You may have listened to them, but I doubt you grew up on them.


Justin only knows the names "Donny Hathaway" and "Stevie Wonder" because his manager instructed him to name-drop them.
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Reply #4 posted 02/06/05 12:44pm

RipHer2Shreds

VoicesCarry said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


Sometimes? How about all the time. I don't mind his music, but he, himself, is so phony that it gets in the way of any possible enjoyment of his music. Like when he was talking to a reporter on the red carpet of the Soul Train awards last year. "I grew up listening to Stevie Wonder and Donny Hathaway." Stop lying...no you didn't. You may have listened to them, but I doubt you grew up on them.


Justin only knows the names "Donny Hathaway" and "Stevie Wonder" because his manager instructed him to name-drop them.

I don't doubt it. Either that, or they handed him copies of their albums and told him to brush up before he went into the studio.
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Reply #5 posted 02/06/05 12:52pm

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Simon

Cowell said:

...and Lindsay Lohan will be a huge star.

eek

Oh good Lord.
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Reply #6 posted 02/06/05 12:52pm

VoicesCarry

minneapolisgenius said:

Simon

Cowell said:

...and Lindsay Lohan will be a huge star.

eek

Oh good Lord.


I think he meant huge-titted star.
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Reply #7 posted 02/06/05 12:53pm

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VoicesCarry said:

minneapolisgenius said:

Simon
eek

Oh good Lord.


I think he meant huge-titted star.

falloff I was just about to edit my post to say, "Well, her TITS will be huge stars."
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Reply #8 posted 02/06/05 1:02pm

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Does Hilary Duff have a good voice? I'm being serious here, I've never really taken the time to listen to an entire song. whofarted
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Reply #9 posted 02/06/05 1:02pm

VoicesCarry

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Does Hilary Duff have a good voice? I'm being serious here, I've never really taken the time to listen to an entire song. whofarted


For karaoke, yes.
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Reply #10 posted 02/06/05 1:24pm

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dragondayz said:

http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/050206/050206simon_cowell.html


Simon sez (... everything, with brutal honesty)

As expected, tough talent critic Simon Cowell has more than "American Idol" on his mind. He sounds off on lip-syncing, pop fashion and who could take whom in head-to-head competition.

By Frappa Stout
Cover: Simon Cowell

Yes, he has earned his reputation as the bad boy of television. The Brit talent manager turned American reality show icon is the reality check, the voice of brutal honesty and, sometimes, the dream destroyer for legions of wannabe pop stars on his hit show, "American Idol."

But Cowell, who this year also is a judge for our USA WEEKEND Songwriting Contest for Teens, can be surprisingly charming -- and, let's face it, he's usually right.

Judge for yourself with this exclusive Cowell sound-off.

Here's Simon on ...

What makes a star a star
It's talent, determination, selfishness, originality. And luck plays a big part in it. Take Britney Spears, landing that ... "Baby One More Time" song, only after TLC turned it down. You just can't account for that kind of thing when planning a career.

This season's "American Idol", crew
The guys are much cooler -- they take longer strides when they come in. They are not the particular kind of stage-school wannabe artists we are used to seeing. Fantasia really changed the competition, because she was a very credible, cool artist and wasn't seen as a pop brat. Thank God she won, because if the other girl had won -- Diana bloody DeGarmo -- that would have been a disaster. She was turning the show into a kind of pageant.

Regretting something he said
Very, very rarely. All I care about is giving an honest assessment.

How often he's impressed
Not very often. There's a girl called Katie Melua, who is kind of like an English Norah Jones. I also think [British soul singer] Joss Stone is terrific.

Talent -- it matters after all?
In the long term, absolutely. But we live in a world where weird things happen. I mean, if you told me an artist who isn't selling so many records can go on a reality show and pretend to be stupid -- saying she didn't know that Chicken of the Sea wasn't chicken -- and then off the back of that her sister will get a reality show and become a star ... It's not exactly plotting a career, is it?

Speaking of which -- Ashlee vs. Jessica?
Ah, God. There is no denying that Jessica can sing, but ... she turned herself into this dumb blonde, a bit like Marilyn Monroe. I like the sister.

Lip-syncing vs. sounding bad
I think it's about what the public wants to hear. It takes so long to make a record sound great in the studio. I was sitting at home recently, listening to Enrique Iglesias singing live on a late-night television show, doing the worst I'd ever heard in my life. I remember thinking, "Is it really worth it for the sake of credibility?"

The Prince-Madonna Syndrome
They've got 50-year careers because their songs stand the test of time -- the old ones, anyway. But they are still obsessed with plugging their new music. When you go see Madonna or Prince, you don't want to hear the new material.

Usher as the new Michael Jackson
I don't think he's as good as Michael Jackson at his peak, because you're not going to be listening to the Usher records in 10 years in the same way we listen to "Thriller" and "Billie Jean," because they still sound amazing. But he's a very switched-on, sensible, motivated guy. He's at the top of his game at the moment.

Usher vs. Justin Timberlake?
If I had to have one of the two, I would take Usher any day. The interesting thing about Justin is, he is a white boy who has tried to make himself black over the years. So you get the impression sometimes that he wants to be something he's not.

The pop-star look
I think image is important when it's a unique image. Eminem is a good example, because he's got his own thing happening, and it reflects his personality. In R&B at the moment, particularly with a lot of female singers, it is very difficult to spot the difference between 10 of them. They all have the same-sounding first names, or they all sound alike and dress identically.

Beyoncé vs. Alicia Keys?
Beyoncé has made one very, very good pop record, "Crazy in Love." [But] I went to see her in concert in Vegas, and I was bored out of my mind. Alicia is smart and a fantastic songwriter ... like a modern-day Carole King.

Singing movie stars
It's risky. Minnie Driver tried it recently and fell flat on her face. I can understand the popularity of Hilary Duff, and she sings well, and Lindsay Lohan will be a huge star. J.Lo was one of the first, but the interesting thing about her is that she's never made a great movie or a great record. But she's still a star.

FCC crackdowns on indecency after Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction"
Ironically, I think what happened helped Janet in the short term. She made a very weak album. There are other things to worry about, like so many songs pushing gun culture. When I was younger, I was never buying records telling me to beat a girl up or buy a gun. That's where you have real problems.

The death of the music video
They are less and less important, and their outlets are becoming smaller. I think only 5% of MTV's programming now is videos. The trouble is that they have become the equivalent of moving wallpaper. You notice them, but you can't remember them. If you asked me to describe an Usher video, I couldn't remember any.

Becoming rich and famous
Luckily, I'm in my 40s, so it hasn't turned my head in any way. It has helped my business. It's been fun, but I don't think it's going to last much longer.

Who we'll listen to in 10 years
Christina Aguilera. She is an unbelievable talent. Christina's "Beautiful" is one of the best pop records I have ever heard in my life.

His Grammy picks (for next Sunday)
I like Maroon 5. Usher will win everything, I'm sure of that.

Simon predicts ...
Over the next few years, you will see more emphasis on artists appealing to an older audience. No question about it. We are going back to an era when artists like Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin were selling to people 40-plus. That is why Elvis Presley and the Beatles were so successful -- because they were selling records to 18-year-olds and 50-year-olds.

Norah Jones is a good example, and that is why she has sold so many records. Josh Groban is another example, and Clay Aiken.

Mark my words.

-----
"The Prince-Madonna Syndrome
They've got 50-year careers because their songs stand the test of time -- the old ones, anyway. But they are still obsessed with plugging their new music. When you go see Madonna or Prince, you don't want to hear the new material
-----
I don't know about Madonna but Prince only loaded the ONA shows with new material and most fans knew that going into the show. Once again we can see that Simon likes to talks out of his ass. To expect any artist to never record new material is riduclous at some point and time Purple Rain was new.
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laurarichardson said:

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"The Prince-Madonna Syndrome
They've got 50-year careers because their songs stand the test of time -- the old ones, anyway. But they are still obsessed with plugging their new music. When you go see Madonna or Prince, you don't want to hear the new material
-----I don't know about Madonna but Prince only loaded the ONA shows with new material and most fans knew that going into the show. Once again we can see that Simon likes to talks out of his ass. To expect any artist to never record new material is riduclous at some point and time Purple Rain was new.



I think it's the same with Madonna; when she toured in 2001, her Music album was a pretty big hit. Did people not expect her to sing her two new top-10 hits?

I'm a huge U2 fan, and if they didn't play anything from their newest album in concert, I'd be pretty upset.

Bowie's last tour was in support of a new CD, and I heard that the new songs were among the highlights of the show.

Anyway, I guess there's no point in getting too upset over his comments; afterall, this is the guy responsible for brining us Clay Aiken, William Hung, and Ruben Studdard.
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Reply #12 posted 02/06/05 6:02pm

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RipHer2Shreds said:

dragondayz said:

Usher vs. Justin Timberlake?
If I had to have one of the two, I would take Usher any day. The interesting thing about Justin is, he is a white boy who has tried to make himself black over the years. So you get the impression sometimes that he wants to be something he's not.

Sometimes? How about all the time. I don't mind his music, but he, himself, is so phony that it gets in the way of any possible enjoyment of his music. Like when he was talking to a reporter on the red carpet of the Soul Train awards last year. "I grew up listening to Stevie Wonder and Donny Hathaway." Stop lying...no you didn't. You may have listened to them, but I doubt you grew up on them.


And this is coming from the same person that performed country songs on "Star Search." Yeah, right.
Ooh, little darlin' if you're
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If U ain't busy 4 the next 7 years (Next 7 years)
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Reply #13 posted 02/06/05 6:05pm

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Simon Cowell can be quite funny....I like the way the rather simple minded Paula actually stands up to him. That takes some guts as Simon knows alot more about the industry then Paula.....

All Simon does now is these talnet shows. He was just a judge (and creator) of "the x factor" here in UK.....the winner was pure shit.

Anyway, americans are just as crazy as the brits i've noticed, except u get more fatso's on "american idol" biggrin
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Reply #14 posted 02/06/05 6:22pm

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He made some good points...although he think Joss Stone is terrific. Major grain of salt!
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Reply #15 posted 02/06/05 6:25pm

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VinnyM27 said:

He made some good points...although he think Joss Stone is terrific. Major grain of salt!


she's british so maybe he is biased?
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Reply #16 posted 02/06/05 6:58pm

RipHer2Shreds

thesexofit said:



she's british so maybe he is biased?

Or maybe he has a bit of taste after all. razz
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Reply #17 posted 02/06/05 7:01pm

VoicesCarry

RipHer2Shreds said:

thesexofit said:



she's british so maybe he is biased?

Or maybe he has a bit of taste after all. razz


We'll just call you Mr. Joss Stone wink
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Reply #18 posted 02/06/05 7:04pm

RipHer2Shreds

VoicesCarry said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


Or maybe he has a bit of taste after all. razz


We'll just call you Mr. Joss Stone wink

lol I think psykosoul and I are her only vocal supporters here.
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VoicesCarry

RipHer2Shreds said:

VoicesCarry said:



We'll just call you Mr. Joss Stone wink

lol I think psykosoul and I are her only vocal supporters here.


new Henceforth RipHer2Shreds shall be known as Mr. Joss lolnew
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Reply #20 posted 02/06/05 7:12pm

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What makes a star a star
It's talent, determination, selfishness, originality. And luck plays a big part in it. Take Britney Spears, landing that ... "Baby One More Time" song, only after TLC turned it down. You just can't account for that kind of thing when planning a career.

WOW! I had no idea.....I can not see Max Martin producing for TLC so I guess it woulda sounded quite different?
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Reply #21 posted 02/06/05 7:18pm

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No offense dragondayz but I think your sole reason for posting this was Simon's Alicia Key's praise bored

was typo edit
[Edited 2/6/05 19:19pm]
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Reply #22 posted 02/06/05 7:23pm

RipHer2Shreds

VoicesCarry said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


lol I think psykosoul and I are her only vocal supporters here.


new Henceforth RipHer2Shreds shall be known as Mr. Joss lolnew

OMG and you can be Mr. Ross. Then we can tour together - The Ross Joss Three Ring Circus!
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Reply #23 posted 02/06/05 7:40pm

dragondayz

EmeraldCity said:

No offense dragondayz but I think your sole reason for posting this was Simon's Alicia Key's praise bored

was typo edit
[Edited 2/6/05 19:19pm]


Do I know you? Do you know me? I don't recall seeing your name often around here so what would make you think such a thing?

Besides, I was more interested in him saying Christina Augilera will be the person we'll be hearing from in 10 yrs. That was the most interesting comment he made in that article and Simon isn't Jesus, so just because he says something doesn't mean it "goes".
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Reply #24 posted 02/06/05 8:12pm

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dragondayz said:

EmeraldCity said:

No offense dragondayz but I think your sole reason for posting this was Simon's Alicia Key's praise bored

was typo edit
[Edited 2/6/05 19:19pm]


Do I know you? Do you know me? I don't recall seeing your name often around here so what would make you think such a thing?

Besides, I was more interested in him saying Christina Augilera will be the person we'll be hearing from in 10 yrs. That was the most interesting comment he made in that article and Simon isn't Jesus, so just because he says something doesn't mean it "goes".


Did the first 3 words of my comment go right over your head? Don't get so freakin' burnt.

If it makes you feel any better I'm an org member too. Name's Elizabeth, but you can call me EmeraldCity. Nice to meet you.

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Reply #25 posted 02/06/05 8:55pm

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RipHer2Shreds said:

VoicesCarry said:



new Henceforth RipHer2Shreds shall be known as Mr. Joss lolnew

OMG and you can be Mr. Ross. Then we can tour together - The Ross Joss Three Ring Circus!


eek

you like joss stool? i mean, stone?

but, but i like you...

sad



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Reply #26 posted 02/06/05 9:01pm

Starmist7

Thanks for posting this, I like to hear what Simon has to say, I really appreciate his honesty...
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Reply #27 posted 02/06/05 9:09pm

RipHer2Shreds

sosgemini said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


OMG and you can be Mr. Ross. Then we can tour together - The Ross Joss Three Ring Circus!


eek

you like joss stool? i mean, stone?

but, but i like you...

sad



biggrin

Yeah, yeah. I've heard it all before from the other sticks in the mud.
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Reply #28 posted 02/06/05 10:26pm

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Some wisdom:

There are other things to worry about, like so many songs pushing gun culture. When I was younger, I was never buying records telling me to beat a girl up or buy a gun. That's where you have real problems.

In R&B at the moment, particularly with a lot of female singers, it is very difficult to spot the difference between 10 of them. They all have the same-sounding first names, or they all sound alike and dress identically.

I think only 5% of MTV's programming now is videos. The trouble is that they have become the equivalent of moving wallpaper. You notice them, but you can't remember them.


And some bullshit:

Lip-syncing vs. sounding bad
I think it's about what the public wants to hear. It takes so long to make a record sound great in the studio.
So how come the people who don't sound amazing out of the studio never get his approval on American Idol?

[/quote]They've got 50-year careers because their songs stand the test of time -- the old ones, anyway. But they are still obsessed with plugging their new music. When you go see Madonna or Prince, you don't want to hear the new material.[quote]
I guess they should have just stopped writing at 35 then. In that case, we never would have heard "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" or "Frozen". And what is this "obsessed" crap? It's their job and their passion. In the last 5 years, Madonna managed to have 3 top ten singles. Why the hell wouldn't we want to hear them in concert? Dumbass.
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Reply #29 posted 02/07/05 4:00am

DavidEye

Strangely enough,I found myself agreeing with many things that Simon said boxed
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