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PrintableSoulchild82 said: Isel said: Therefore, after viewing both of these shows, I honestly believe that Michael’s strict religious beliefs and his fear of God’s wrath could prevent him from have sexual relations with anyone, much less a child. With children, Michael ultimately feels safe and is at peace.
YOu have to understand that being religious doesnt make you asexual. Like I said before you cannot judge an entire religion on the actions of one individual or family. Plus MJ had plent of people around him says that "You didnt have christmas you were deprived!!" all the time and he started to believe it. He could buy what ever he wanted. Having a moral code and trying to follow Jesus and his Father doesnt make you not like women I'm sorry. It might make you like women even more and when you find the one its all good. BTW: THat Tatianna was soo fine. What was he smoking!! You are correct. However, I'm talking about an extreme interpretation and application of his religious beliefs. As I said early on in my post, it was probably a combination of his inherent shyness, over-bearing father, and strict religious upbring. What I failed to mention is his life in show-business that certainly didn't help with his emotional development. Once again, this is pure speculation and the program was pure speculation, but for me it offers a plausible explanation of Michael's behavior. | |
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Soulchild82 said: Isel said: Therefore, after viewing both of these shows, I honestly believe that Michael’s strict religious beliefs and his fear of God’s wrath could prevent him from have sexual relations with anyone, much less a child. With children, Michael ultimately feels safe and is at peace.
YOu have to understand that being religious doesnt make you asexual. Like I said before you cannot judge an entire religion on the actions of one individual or family. Plus MJ had plent of people around him says that "You didnt have christmas you were deprived!!" all the time and he started to believe it. He could buy what ever he wanted. Having a moral code and trying to follow Jesus and his Father doesnt make you not like women I'm sorry. It might make you like women even more and when you find the one its all good. BTW: THat Tatianna was soo fine. What was he smoking!! actually there have been some cases that religion just shuts down the Sexual Appetite for some people most occurring in Men... it usually happens through traumatic child occurrences.. The subjects just lose interest in sex all together, its not needed My Uncle who is a Missionary in Honduras, is exactly like this he wa sknown never to have relations with women My Father Use to think he was gay... that wasn't the case. he was just extremely Religious! and yes he had the affinity to play and teach children about god... i don't like religions period so im not bashing JW's in anyway but the extreme's the religion took on michael is majority of the reason he left the faith in 87 Though he left the religion he basically still has the same moral values... i also hear that his nannys are all Jw's i think Jackson had the mind set of a child... but he's growing up, and i think he's aware of that, and he's afraid of it... They say that a person never truly loses his innocence until he realizes that someday he's going to die... and alot of his friends, have died within the pass years... and thats forcing him to grow up... Thats my theory anywayz | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: Soulchild82 said: YOu have to understand that being religious doesnt make you asexual. Like I said before you cannot judge an entire religion on the actions of one individual or family. Plus MJ had plent of people around him says that "You didnt have christmas you were deprived!!" all the time and he started to believe it. He could buy what ever he wanted. Having a moral code and trying to follow Jesus and his Father doesnt make you not like women I'm sorry. It might make you like women even more and when you find the one its all good. BTW: THat Tatianna was soo fine. What was he smoking!! actually there have been some cases that religion just shuts down the Sexual Appetite for some people most occurring in Men... it usually happens through traumatic child occurrences.. The subjects just lose interest in sex all together, its not needed My Uncle who is a Missionary in Honduras, is exactly like this he wa sknown never to have relations with women My Father Use to think he was gay... that wasn't the case. he was just extremely Religious! and yes he had the affinity to play and teach children about god... i don't like religions period so im not bashing JW's in anyway but the extreme's the religion took on michael is majority of the reason he left the faith in 87 Though he left the religion he basically still has the same moral values... i also hear that his nannys are all Jw's i think Jackson had the mind set of a child... but he's growing up, and i think he's aware of that, and he's afraid of it... They say that a person never truly loses his innocence until he realizes that someday he's going to die... and alot of his friends, have died within the pass years... and thats forcing him to grow up... Thats my theory anywayz THe extremes the religion took on micheal or the extremes he took on his own faith? THere are many people who grow up in this faith or in any other faith that high morals are praised who turn out fine and who have normal relationship development. MJ thought of hiself as a god. Maybe its extreme narcissisim(is that even a word lol). I think the reason he left in 87 was because of people around him and his growing desire to separate himself from everything in his past and to elevate his own ego. But the thing about it is if he were any other religion no one would care much like with other people of the faith. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: Luv4oneanotha said: actually there have been some cases that religion just shuts down the Sexual Appetite for some people most occurring in Men... it usually happens through traumatic child occurrences.. The subjects just lose interest in sex all together, its not needed My Uncle who is a Missionary in Honduras, is exactly like this he wa sknown never to have relations with women My Father Use to think he was gay... that wasn't the case. he was just extremely Religious! and yes he had the affinity to play and teach children about god... i don't like religions period so im not bashing JW's in anyway but the extreme's the religion took on michael is majority of the reason he left the faith in 87 Though he left the religion he basically still has the same moral values... i also hear that his nannys are all Jw's i think Jackson had the mind set of a child... but he's growing up, and i think he's aware of that, and he's afraid of it... They say that a person never truly loses his innocence until he realizes that someday he's going to die... and alot of his friends, have died within the pass years... and thats forcing him to grow up... Thats my theory anywayz THe extremes the religion took on micheal or the extremes he took on his own faith? THere are many people who grow up in this faith or in any other faith that high morals are praised who turn out fine and who have normal relationship development. MJ thought of hiself as a god. Maybe its extreme narcissisim(is that even a word lol). I think the reason he left in 87 was because of people around him and his growing desire to separate himself from everything in his past and to elevate his own ego. But the thing about it is if he were any other religion no one would care much like with other people of the faith. Thought of him as a god... thats a bit Rash don't you think, Music Wise he was extremely Egotistical, Business wise he was a Savage and in his personal life he's a brat, But i can't say thats really his Fault, its the Fault of the Mother and the father and Everybody in that family, is a little bit nuts... Except for Mama Jackson (which im still pondering, cause she tried to seduce her son) If jackson does think he's god its not his fault in paticular, its the fans fault... its the media... its the grammy committe its Papa Joe we all took part in creating this Monster and now we wan't to do anything to destroy it! or lock it away... this is not your normal behind the Music Case, this is extremely serious... Now that the mans life is on the line, everyone wants to cash in on it which i think is unfair, Fans turn their back on him cause he's turned into a freak, well every cut on his nose, dent in his chin was made for us its hard to hate yourself physically, and your mentally going insane While we're debating the sanity of the man, watching Vh1 special, making bets on whether he's guilty or innocent the man looks at himself in the mirror, everyday and wants to die when is it going to be the end? PopCulture, religion,fame whatever have had a hand in creating Michael Jackson i take my responsibility from the first album i bought The man needs help, guilty or not he just does... if jackson thinks he's a god then where all a part of his religion in creating him... | |
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Soulchild82 said: Luv4oneanotha said: actually there have been some cases that religion just shuts down the Sexual Appetite for some people most occurring in Men... it usually happens through traumatic child occurrences.. The subjects just lose interest in sex all together, its not needed My Uncle who is a Missionary in Honduras, is exactly like this he wa sknown never to have relations with women My Father Use to think he was gay... that wasn't the case. he was just extremely Religious! and yes he had the affinity to play and teach children about god... i don't like religions period so im not bashing JW's in anyway but the extreme's the religion took on michael is majority of the reason he left the faith in 87 Though he left the religion he basically still has the same moral values... i also hear that his nannys are all Jw's i think Jackson had the mind set of a child... but he's growing up, and i think he's aware of that, and he's afraid of it... They say that a person never truly loses his innocence until he realizes that someday he's going to die... and alot of his friends, have died within the pass years... and thats forcing him to grow up... Thats my theory anywayz THe extremes the religion took on micheal or the extremes he took on his own faith? THere are many people who grow up in this faith or in any other faith that high morals are praised who turn out fine and who have normal relationship development. MJ thought of hiself as a god. Maybe its extreme narcissisim(is that even a word lol). I think the reason he left in 87 was because of people around him and his growing desire to separate himself from everything in his past and to elevate his own ego. But the thing about it is if he were any other religion no one would care much like with other people of the faith. I'm sorry. I may have overstated the religious influences in my post, and I didn't really want to make it a religious discussion. As I said, it may have been a combination of many things. Once again, this is pure speculation, but he seemed to have received very strict discipline by his father. Also, wasn't it mentioned on that show that it is believed that as a youngster Michael actually witnessed his brothers with women? Of course, I already mentioned that Michael seems to be just inherently shy. Moreover, his show-business life further isolated him from any type of traditional "socialization." Then on top of all that his early exposure to religion seemed to have been more "sin and you shall be punished more so than "sin and you can be forgiven." So for me, it is plausible that Michael may have somehow internalized all of these influences plus other questionnable, early sexual experiences that were alluded to but never really addressed. Like I said, the VH1 and then the ABC special just offered a possible explanation other than pedophilia as to why a 46 year-old-man would want to spend his time socializing and maybe even sharing his bed with children. As much as the children were no sexual "threat" to him, Michael was not a threat to them either. I am NOT suggesting Michael didn't or doesn't have sexual needs or attractions to women, but when it comes right down to it, Michael apparently is simply not interested in satisfying those needs with someone else. As a result, I can now understand, but not necessarily agree with, why his parents and inner circle never intervened. There really was no need coz Michael apparently wasn't interested in being sexual. In so far as his interaction with mostly boys and not girls,maybe in his mind Michael views himself as a "boy," and for him to have young girls at a sleepover for "boys" would certainly be taboo. Like I said, this is OBVIOUSLY pure speculation, and pretty off the wall. But in my mind this theory also offers a possible defense for Michael and explanation for his behavior. [Edited 1/30/05 13:03pm] | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: Soulchild82 said: THe extremes the religion took on micheal or the extremes he took on his own faith? THere are many people who grow up in this faith or in any other faith that high morals are praised who turn out fine and who have normal relationship development. MJ thought of hiself as a god. Maybe its extreme narcissisim(is that even a word lol). I think the reason he left in 87 was because of people around him and his growing desire to separate himself from everything in his past and to elevate his own ego. But the thing about it is if he were any other religion no one would care much like with other people of the faith. Thought of him as a god... thats a bit Rash don't you think, Music Wise he was extremely Egotistical, Business wise he was a Savage and in his personal life he's a brat, But i can't say thats really his Fault, its the Fault of the Mother and the father and Everybody in that family, is a little bit nuts... Except for Mama Jackson (which im still pondering, cause she tried to seduce her son) If jackson does think he's god its not his fault in paticular, its the fans fault... its the media... its the grammy committe its Papa Joe we all took part in creating this Monster and now we wan't to do anything to destroy it! or lock it away... this is not your normal behind the Music Case, this is extremely serious... Now that the mans life is on the line, everyone wants to cash in on it which i think is unfair, Fans turn their back on him cause he's turned into a freak, well every cut on his nose, dent in his chin was made for us its hard to hate yourself physically, and your mentally going insane While we're debating the sanity of the man, watching Vh1 special, making bets on whether he's guilty or innocent the man looks at himself in the mirror, everyday and wants to die when is it going to be the end? PopCulture, religion,fame whatever have had a hand in creating Michael Jackson i take my responsibility from the first album i bought The man needs help, guilty or not he just does... if jackson thinks he's a god then where all a part of his religion in creating him... What I mean by "He thought of himself a god" was that he believed and the fans did also that he was greater than everyone else and desired to be worshiped not in a religious sense per se but as an icon. Thats a lot of pressure for a shy young man whos faith tells him that humility is important. I think the biggest internal conflict was just that humility vs. praise. we all desire praise but we could never imagine that level of fame. Plus he was under a microscope all his life. With the exception of Mrs. Jackson, Rebbie, Jackie, and maybe even marlon. They All have issues even Mama Jackson to an extent for bending her values to MJ's wants. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Soulchild82 said: THe special was okak. It was of course biased to JW bashers and people who think that he is guilty.
First off you cannot judge an entire religion on the actions of one person or one family. Do you know what religion OJ Simpson is? or RObert Blake, or Scott Peterson or any other famous person in trouble with the law? of course you dont what religion they are but since the MJ happens to have ben a JW its a big deal!? And why dont they asked his mom or Rebbie or other JW he grew up with. But of course not controversy sells VH1 got an Ex-Witness that basically started his own religion. THis isn't the 1st time VH1 was so sloppy in research that MJ movies was just as inaccurate about religion not to mention the story itself (come on MJ wasnt still his Off the Wall color during the Bad days). Aside from the Religious Bias It really helped you to see what kind of mindstate he is in. I really dont understand why he dosent like girls and it cant be religious reason just because you 'save' yourself doest mean your sex drive is non exsistant (might even make it stronger). He really has the mind of a child.  Right on--Right onDesiigner "Panda" LES TWINS x YAK FILMS | Laurent ft Skitzo & Boom Squad Inglewood  (part 1)
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Soulchild82 said: Luv4oneanotha said: Thought of him as a god... thats a bit Rash don't you think, Music Wise he was extremely Egotistical, Business wise he was a Savage and in his personal life he's a brat, But i can't say thats really his Fault, its the Fault of the Mother and the father and Everybody in that family, is a little bit nuts... Except for Mama Jackson (which im still pondering, cause she tried to seduce her son) If jackson does think he's god its not his fault in paticular, its the fans fault... its the media... its the grammy committe its Papa Joe we all took part in creating this Monster and now we wan't to do anything to destroy it! or lock it away... this is not your normal behind the Music Case, this is extremely serious... Now that the mans life is on the line, everyone wants to cash in on it which i think is unfair, Fans turn their back on him cause he's turned into a freak, well every cut on his nose, dent in his chin was made for us its hard to hate yourself physically, and your mentally going insane While we're debating the sanity of the man, watching Vh1 special, making bets on whether he's guilty or innocent the man looks at himself in the mirror, everyday and wants to die when is it going to be the end? PopCulture, religion,fame whatever have had a hand in creating Michael Jackson i take my responsibility from the first album i bought The man needs help, guilty or not he just does... if jackson thinks he's a god then where all a part of his religion in creating him... What I mean by "He thought of himself a god" was that he believed and the fans did also that he was greater than everyone else and desired to be worshiped not in a religious sense per se but as an icon. Thats a lot of pressure for a shy young man whos faith tells him that humility is important. I think the biggest internal conflict was just that humility vs. praise. we all desire praise but we could never imagine that level of fame. Plus he was under a microscope all his life. With the exception of Mrs. Jackson, Rebbie, Jackie, and maybe even marlon. They All have issues even Mama Jackson to an extent for bending her values to MJ's wants. well thats fair enough, that level of fame is notorious World-Wide, i can't even concieve that | |
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Harlepolis said: Luv4oneanotha said: and white women ... lol You know thats right 
BTW I thought Olga Smith was really attractive(The chic from Thriller) but that heffa is a ffrrreeeaak  My brotha used to hide her Playboy issues,,
Whateva happend to her? She & Vanity were the rage back then,,, lol...I think you mean Ola Ray | |
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