Who else has this?

I've been digging in and out of it for the past 3 days.

Some of it's not great sound quality but all of it is fascinating and in retrospect, very sad.

So much more could have happened with Kurt and Nirvana's music.

Haters, back off.

This thread is for the appreciators.

So what are your fave tracks off it?

I love "Pen Cap Chew", "Blandest" and "Ain't It A Shame".

Also, the cover of Seasons in the Sun is awesome, funny and again, sad. It's the best thing about the DVD, really.

i have it - i agree that the "seasons in the sun" footage is the best part of the DVD...i kinda like kurt's little doll installation that illustrates one of the menus on the DVD, too.

as for the music, i'm enjoying the third disc the most. i like kurt's home demos of the in utero songs. parts of the set, though, feel like the people who put this together were just scraping for as much as they could to justify a box set release...there's something slightly icky about this box set, though i can't say i'm not happy that i own it or that i'll be getting rid of it anytime soon.

Anxiety said:

actually there were quite a number of songs that didn't make it on the release. i don't think they were scraping for anything. i mean, where is "do you love me?", the kiss cover? or their duran duran cover? or "down in the dark"? they could have put that on there, but somehow they must have thought the other stuff was more important. so i don't think they were scraping, in fact i think there is a lot more stuff that could have gone on there.



icky how? i mean you can't get more authentic or real than having NO courtney love involvement AND having thurston moore pen the liner notes. i think it's one of the best box sets to ever be released, despite its flaws.

I kinda resent Courtney for not letting them put "You Know You're Right" on here, which would've made the release more of an event. The boring greatest hits package coulda came out much later. As a matter of fact I still don't have the greatest hits even though I don't own "You Know You're Right" yet. She was just being her typical pain in the ass self.

While we're on the topic, does "You Know You're Right" appear on the boxset as well?

Or any Live Through This demos?


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CinisterCee said:

Just in demo form. But it's cool too.

Anxiety said:

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Didn't you say that about the diary of Kurt Cobain

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this set. I love the art. I love the sound quality. I love the track selection. Going through their sessionography, I think they chose most of the best stuff to represent their unreleased legacy. I actually made my own version of a box set for them. I'll post it shortly.

CinisterCee said:

Cute, but Dave and Krist (who have no reason to defend Courtney) have denied that Kurt wrote or recorded anything off of Live Through This, other than the backing vocals for the "Asking For It" demo. To me, I really don't think that album sounds anything like Kurt's writing (especially not the lyrics). Give Eric Erlandson some credit, as he's a major factor in the sound of that album.

I still haven't gotten this set. Hopefully, someone will think of it for Christmas, or my birthday in January.

JediMaster said:

That's cool, I hadn't heard Dave or Krist ever defend that. Thanks

GangstaFam said:

Thank you

JediMaster said:

bummer. you missed out. it was so cheap first week.

CinisterCee said:

welcome. I wish it was on there too.

Along with:

the regular version of "Even In His Youth"
"" "" "" "Moist Vagina"
"" "" "" "I Hate Myself and I Want to Die"
the rest of the In Utero sessions
the rest of the Butch Vig sessions from '90
Spank Thru in any form
Do You Love Me?
Where Did You Sleep Last Night? studio version

GangstaFam said:

i bought mine at beast buy for $37.99 the day it came out...i saw it at borders last night for 49.99.

Anxiety said:

I got mine there too but took in the Target ad and got it for $29.66 after tax. Plus, I got that $5 gift card.

GangstaFam said:

that actually worked?! that's awesome!

Anxiety said:

Yup. I was very happy. That works out to less than $8/disc! I doubt I'd ever find it used for that cheap.

JediMaster said:

Even if they never publish the original demos, and if a bootleg never surfaces, I will go to my grave believing that Kurt wrote that entire album. Is it really a stretch to think that a skinny artist with a feminine side would write a ton of material from a female perspective COUGHCOUGHdontsayyoulovememartikaskitchenandnothingcomparestoyouCOUGHCOUGHHACK?

*AHEM* Excuse me.

Thunderbird said:

I think the Hole album really sounds like Kurt, too. In fact I never really listened to it until someone told me the rumor that he'd written it all. And why did her next album sound like Billy Corgan?

But I think it's not surprising that his wife's album would sound like his stuff. She had access to the man's mind, so of course she was influenced by him. I mean, Yoko's music sounds just like the Beatles, right?

andyman91 said:

I don't know. This debate is venturing close to female bashing. To me Courtney's lyrical style is very consistent. She has always been defensive about Eric's involvement in the Hole sound. She takes it less as a dig at her then as a direct one at Eric. "Celebrity Skin", while less sccessful artistically then "Live.." only sounds like Corgan on the few tracks that he had a hand at co-writing. Plus the subject matter is less intriguing. "America's Sweetheart" I think has more to do with Courtney's declining mental health at the time. It's an almost-there good record, but her voice is shot.

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andyman91 said:

i think "i'll do anything" wouldn't sound out of place on "live through this", though...and "mono" is very "celebrity skin". for whatever that's worth.

CynicKill said:

Definitely not female bashing. Yoko, whatever you want to say wbout her music, is an artist, and her music is nothing like John's.

Courtney might have written the whole album with Eric, but it's suspicious that it sounds so much like Nirvana, and Hole sounds different after his death.

I'm sure she was involved in the writing, especially the lyrics, but the music? Not so sure.

andyman91 said:

See, I just don't see it. Every one of Hole's albums sounds pretty different. Pretty On The Inside is NOTHING like LTT, which in turn is nothing like Celebrity Skin. I just don't think it sounds like Nirvana. Its got a flavour that is just un-Kurt like, IMHO. "Violet" is the only song that really sports a Nirvana-eque hook, and even that one sounds more like someone trying to emulate Nirvana than the real deal (Courtney has always claimed that "Violet" was written in reaction to hearing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" for the first time) I like LTT, but it doesn't compare to Nevermind or In Utero.

Lyrically, there is NO WAY Kurt wrote it. His lyrics are waaaaayyy different in style and tone. Sure, he could write from a female point of view if he wanted to, but I just don't see his style in it at all. Kurt's lyrics are more esoteric and dark. Courtney's are much more straightfoward and ironic.

Ultimately, I really don't think that Kurt was behind this album. I also don't believe Courtney killed him, but that's another thread (Courtney has trouble tying her shoes. Something tells me she wouldn't be able to execute a murder plot). I really don't think Kurt would have gone for that anyway. He was so against the ideals of the recording industry, and the idea of a "ghost-writer" creating an album for someone certainly falls in that category.

i thought this was a nirvana thread?

for the record, kurt did not write any of "live through this" and only contributed backing vocals to "asking for it" which are so low in the mix as to be inaudible. there IS a demo floating around where you can hear them though. it's nothing remarkable. kurt just sings, "live through this..." over and over.

Nirvana.



Arent they the scruffy kids? They made music, like, a decade ago? Wassup with them? They better than Creed?

JediMaster said:

Oh, come on. If he was so anti-industry, why did he sign to Geffen, make tons of videos, appear on MTV, pose for Rolling Stone, do press for Guitar World, etc., etc., etc. He was in a band to be big and famous like anyone else. Read Heavier Than Heaven. He used to call MTV and complain when they weren't playing his videos enough.

Thunderbird said:

i think he was conflicted - i think part of him was perfectly content to be a pop star, and another part of him felt bound to some kind of indie ethic.

JediMaster said:

That sentence is so funny right after what you just said. It makes it sound like if Kurt knew about Courtney's murder plot, he wouldn't have gone along with it. I know what you were trying to say, but as I was reading along, I couldn't help but laugh imagining that.