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Thread started 12/01/04 10:42pm

sinisterpentat
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"White People" Handsome Boy Modeling School




I just started digging into this latest release by Prince Paul and The Automater, nothing on it has blown me away yet, but I did hear a few tracks that might find their way into my bones. The centerpiece seems to be a track entitled "Rock N Roll (Hip hop could never hip hop like this)" It's somewhat of a journey or should I say a showcase of the similarites of rock and hip hop. HBMS seems like they wer trying to please everyone with their effort. Everyone and their mama seems to show up on this album, even TIM MEADOWS? hmm Who manages to annoy the shit out of me during the tired skits that Prince Paul seems obsessed with putting on all of his releases. Anyways, are there any other orgers feeling this out there?

For the knownots, peep the site. http://handsomeboymodelingschool.com/ You can hear the album here.



flower
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Reply #1 posted 12/01/04 11:39pm

BinaryJustin

Jamie Cullen is becoming as omnipotent as Bono, isn't he?
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Reply #2 posted 12/02/04 7:19am

sinisterpentat
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BinaryJustin said:

Jamie Cullen is becoming as omnipotent as Bono, isn't he?


Errr...I really don't know. confused
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Reply #3 posted 12/02/04 9:51am

dancerella

sinisterpentatonic said:




I just started digging into this latest release by Prince Paul and The Automater, nothing on it has blown me away yet, but I did hear a few tracks that might find their way into my bones. The centerpiece seems to be a track entitled "Rock N Roll (Hip hop could never hip hop like this)" It's somewhat of a journey or should I say a showcase of the similarites of rock and hip hop. HBMS seems like they wer trying to please everyone with their effort. Everyone and their mama seems to show up on this album, even TIM MEADOWS? hmm Who manages to annoy the shit out of me during the tired skits that Prince Paul seems obsessed with putting on all of his releases. Anyways, are there any other orgers feeling this out there?

For the knownots, peep the site. http://handsomeboymodelingschool.com/ You can hear the album here.



flower
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can you plesae give ma description of whta this album sounds like? i've heard about this and i'm intrigued. is it funk? hip hop? rock? do tell! biggrin
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Reply #4 posted 12/02/04 10:02am

sinisterpentat
onic

dancerella said:






can you plesae give ma description of whta this album sounds like? i've heard about this and i'm intrigued. is it funk? hip hop? rock? do tell! biggrin


http://handsomeboymodelingschool.com

Check the site, you can hear the album there. biggrin
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Reply #5 posted 12/02/04 11:15am

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shrug I love Tim Meadows. He bought me a fish sammich one time.
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Reply #6 posted 12/02/04 11:22am

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FunkMistress said:

shrug I love Tim Meadows. He bought me a fish sammich one time.

That's to be expected.

This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #7 posted 12/02/04 11:24am

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Supernova said:

FunkMistress said:

shrug I love Tim Meadows. He bought me a fish sammich one time.

That's to be expected.

[img]theladiesmanwashere]


woot!

He didn't give me any Courvosier, though. pout
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Reply #8 posted 12/02/04 11:30am

sinisterpentat
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FunkMistress said:

Supernova said:


That's to be expected.

[img]theladiesmanwashere]


woot!

He didn't give me any Courvosier, though. pout


Did he fondle you in the breastal area? lol hmm
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Reply #9 posted 12/02/04 11:30am

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FunkMistress said:

Supernova said:


That's to be expected.

[img]theladiesmanwashere]


woot!

He didn't give me any Courvosier, though. pout

You gotta kick him to tha curb. disbelief
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #10 posted 12/02/04 11:32am

sinisterpentat
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FunkMistress said:

shrug I love Tim Meadows. He bought me a fish sammich one time.


I have nothing against his ladies main character, I'm just not feeling it when I'm trying to get my groove on. confused
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Reply #11 posted 12/02/04 11:33am

sinisterpentat
onic

Supernova said:

FunkMistress said:



woot!

He didn't give me any Courvosier, though. pout

You gotta kick him to tha curb. disbelief


Still no avie!!! sigh What's you addy I'll email you one. smile
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Reply #12 posted 12/02/04 11:46am

sinisterpentat
onic

And The ladies man ain't got nothing on Smoove B, Loveman! hmph!



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There will also be corn served.
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Reply #13 posted 12/02/04 5:26pm

rockwilder

I haven't gotten this yet.Def on my lits.I still listen to the first one from time to time and ,of course,I really like The Automator's stuff throughout the years. The only work by Prince Paul I have is the fisrt hbms cd and ,of course,"3 feet high and rising".
"I'm a pig..so,magic elixir I swill"
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Reply #14 posted 12/02/04 7:19pm

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Coincidentally, I downloaded this today from iTunes. Havn't listened to it enough to be sure, but I think I like Nathaniel Merriweather's (aka Dan the Automater) "Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By" better. Rock N' Roll et seq. is may favorite also.

They will be at the Fillmore in San Francisco on Jan. 7. I think I will check it out and see you stops by to perform.

Here is the review from popmatters.com:

HANDSOME BOY MODELING SCHOOL
White People

by Hunter Felt

Another Fine Mess

It was five years go that Prince Paul and Dan the Automator, two of the most inventive DJs since DJs were recognized as musicians, formed Handsome Boy Modeling School and gave the world So, How's Your Girl?, possibly the last great album of the '90s. The long gap between albums is less surprising than the fact that there is a second album. Handsome Boy Modeling School, as great as its debut album was, seemed almost the epitome of a one-off project. Who expected anything new from a "band" named after an episode of Chris Elliot's Get a Life which was populated with a motley crew of guest musicians from every possible genre?

Here it is 2004, and Paul and Dan (as their insufferable alter-egos Chest Rockwell and Nathaniel Meriwether) have found a whole new eclectic cast of vocalists and musicians willing to explore the boundaries between genres. The mere existence of a follow-up to So, How's Your Girl? raises considerable skepticism. Prince Paul and Dan the Automator were never ones to return to old ground. Even Dan's work with the Gorillaz, which included several key Handsome Boy alumni, was a radically different enterprise. So, How's Your Girl? hopped from genre to genre, mixing and matching styles and artists while still maintaining an indefinable signature sound that was not beholden to the concept of "genre". It seemed less of an album than a powerful manifesto predicting a world where all music was both universal and, somehow, uniquely individual. Since when does a manifesto need a sequel?

White People, at its worst, acts as sort of a middling appendix to So, Where's Your Girl?. Lead off single "The World's Gone Mad" throws together Barrington Levy, Del the Funky Homosapien, and Franz Ferdinand's Alex Karpanos in an ugly blend of dancehall, hip-hop, and rock and roll that fails to coalesce into anything worthwhile. The duo, and returning turntablist genius Kid Koala, put a worthwhile beat underneath Jack Johnson's "Breakdown", but the great beat and Johnson's mediocre mope-pop tune sound as if they were created in isolation and then forcibly jammed together. The combination of Dan the Automator, pop-jazzster Jamie Cullum, John Oates, and Tarnation's Paula Frazer seems like an inspired anything-can-happen mix, but "Greatest Mistake" is essentially a bland Oates ballad with the rest of them working as hired guns to salvage the mess. I will, out of respect for all involved, not delve into the torture that is Tim Meadows's misguided resurrection of his Ladies Man character.

Does it bode well for the band's genre defying manifesto that the two highlights of White People are two of the straight-ahead rap songs? De La Soul kick-off the album with "If It Wasn't For You", which finds the venerable band at their Three Feet High and Rising peak, complete with a glorious kitchen sink production full of trumpet flourishes and sped up samples that once again establish Dan and Paul as the most flexible and unpredictable hip-hop producers of the modern era. Even De La Soul, however, pale against Black Sheep's Dres who gets "First… And Then" all to himself and makes the most of his opportunity. Dres, gone from the public stage for so long, seems to recognize that he has a shot to burst back onto the scene. He grabs the microphone and then never lets go, unleashing a furious onslaught of rhymes sandwiched between a chorus that follows the simple "first x and then y" format of the title. It is a simple gimmick that is ridiculously addicting listening.

Whenever I feel tempted to disparage White People, I listen the album's central thematic tracks. First comes "Rock and Roll (Could Never Hip Hop Like This) Part 2", which expands the opening track from So, How's Your Girl? into an epic treatise on the importance of musical evolution. The first sequence features old school DJs discussing how hip-hop evolved from rock and roll beats, and then continued onward to influence rock and roll, and how this continual progress is necessary for the development of music. The track then goes on to illustrate this old-hat idea in a radical new way. "Rock and Roll (Could Never Hip Hop Like This) Part 2" is a suite, in the style of the Beastie Boys' immortal "B-Boy Bourgeoisie", consisting of musical sketches that stop soon after they begin, only to jump to the next idea. Throughout the track's seven minutes, Handsome Boy Modeling School explores vocal hip-hop, turntablism, electronica, hard rock, classical music, and even a bit of spoken word history in order to create a soup that, if not entirely successful, redefines the ambitions of this project. The first album attempted to completely break down walls between genres, the new album realizes that these walls did really exist at all and refuses to acknowledge them.

"Class System" is the other key to appreciating White People despite its flaws. In "Class System", a slumming upper-class socialite's unconscious racism (sung to perfection by the underrated Julee Cruise) is explained by Pharrell Williams's insistence that we are "all trapped in a system". If we all continue to be trapped in these systems, human beings can not progress. Cruise's character mentions how awkward it is when her poor lover tries to act outside her perceptions of how his "class" should act. "Don't try to fit in", she pleads. Handsome Boy Modeling School understands that this awkwardness must be risked, and survived, in order to break out of these artificial systems and social structures. Despite the album's numerous missteps, there are moments of genius here that the band would not have discovered without its willingness to fail. On what other album could you hear Cat Power reborn as a sultry trip-hop chanteuse, hear the lead singer of the Deftones (of all people) hold his own with El-P, or, best yet, hear Mike Patton sing a song that was genuinely pretty. If So, How's Your Girl? was the riveting manifesto, White People is the first, tentative attempt at living up to the manifesto's ideals.

— 1 December 2004
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Reply #15 posted 12/02/04 7:27pm

heybaby

sinisterpentatonic said:

And The ladies man ain't got nothing on Smoove B, Loveman! hmph!



I will serve you on a soft, silk table-cloth that has been freshly laundered and purchased from the finest table-cloth store in all of creation. It will be the most spectacular dinner you have ever consumed.

There will also be corn served.

do you read the onion a lot? lol
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Reply #16 posted 12/02/04 11:45pm

BinaryJustin

sinisterpentatonic said:

BinaryJustin said:

Jamie Cullen is becoming as omnipotent as Bono, isn't he?


Errr...I really don't know. confused


I meant Cullum - Jamie Cullum. He's on this album.
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Reply #17 posted 12/03/04 8:26am

sinisterpentat
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heybaby said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

And The ladies man ain't got nothing on Smoove B, Loveman! hmph!



I will serve you on a soft, silk table-cloth that has been freshly laundered and purchased from the finest table-cloth store in all of creation. It will be the most spectacular dinner you have ever consumed.

There will also be corn served.

do you read the onion a lot? lol


Man, I use to read the onion so much that I started confusing it with real facts. lol SERIOUSLY!!! eek
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Reply #18 posted 12/03/04 8:28am

sinisterpentat
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BinaryJustin said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



Errr...I really don't know. confused


I meant Cullum - Jamie Cullum. He's on this album.


For some reason I always skipped the track he's on. lol Maybe it's because I'm not a big fan of Bono or Jamie's new found omnipotency creeped me out. boxed
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