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PrintableHotlegs said: paisleypark4 said: Hey if ya can't stand good humour in Rap, then I guess Em is not 4 u. If you dig wannabe rappers thats on you, one day you will say through this talentless trickbag he has going on. There are ohters along with myself who see through the wool thats being pooled over naive listeners ears. The fellow orgers who feel where I am coming from are: Black Knight, Marrk, Vainandy, Luv4oneanotha, and Jamzone. 2 have SO much hatred on an artist like Eminem despite him being an ashole to people that cannot stand him really is unhealthy. U dont even have none of his albums and u criticize him back to front w/o even hearing him out. Oh well. Either ya love him or ya hate him...but U MUST have some kind of curiosity 2 keep coming here and checking on the latest posts. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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[quote][quote] paisleypark4 said: vainandy said: Amen! Whether anyone like Prince's music or not, it was made from scratch with an original idea and lyrics were sang not "spoken", instruments were played, and a sample and an impression was not the whole foundation of the songs. Eminem is the new millenium's version of Weird Al Yankovic....except Weird Al was a lot more hip and had a lot more soul.  Dont try 2 gime that "aint no real instruments played no mo" speech, Rap was founded on samples and good meaningful and catchy lyrics. Live instrumentation belongs on the outside. Rap is NOT MENT TO BE SANG! Not necessarily. In the early 1980s, there were MANY rap records that were not sampled: What People Do For Money - Divine Sounds Jam On It - Newcleus The Breaks - Kurtis Blow Push The Button - Newcleus The Message - Grandmaster Flash Egypt, Egypt - The Egyptian Lover The Party Has Begun - Freestyle Jam The Box - Pretty Tony Electric Kingdom - Twilight 22 Siberian Nights - Twilight 22 Ya Mama - Wuff Ticket Nasty Rock - Garrett's Crew Those are just a few. These songs were created from scratch with no old record to provide the whole foundation for the song. If any that I listed contained samples, then I have never heard the original record it was sampled from. As far as singing, most rap back then was on 12 Inches. Some of the rap groups that actually had albums, contained slow songs where they actually attempted to sing. "Fairytale Lover" by UTFO is a prime example. Since the 1990s, standards have been drastically lowered for most all genres of music, not just rap, and Eminem is no exception. It's not about talent anymore, it's about record companies making the biggest profit possible and spending the least amount of money possible to make the profit. [Edited 11/19/04 7:54am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: "Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me..." ---Chuck D.
Thank you, Hotlegs. Good point. Some may think Chuck D is a hero too, but he doesn't mean shit to me!! | |
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kisscamille said: BlaqueKnight said: "Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant shit to me..." ---Chuck D.
Thank you, Hotlegs. Good point. Some may think Chuck D is a hero too, but he doesn't mean shit to me!! Oh well. Opinion are assholes  and everybody has one. If you don't like Chuck D that's on you.  | |
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vainandy said: Dont try 2 gime that "aint no real instruments played no mo" speech, Rap was founded on samples and good meaningful and catchy lyrics. Live instrumentation belongs on the outside. Rap is NOT MENT TO BE SANG! Not necessarily. In the early 1980s, there were MANY rap records that were not sampled: What People Do For Money - Divine Sounds Jam On It - Newcleus The Breaks - Kurtis Blow Push The Button - Newcleus The Message - Grandmaster Flash Egypt, Egypt - The Egyptian Lover The Party Has Begun - Freestyle Jam The Box - Pretty Tony Electric Kingdom - Twilight 22 Siberian Nights - Twilight 22 Ya Mama - Wuff Ticket Nasty Rock - Garrett's Crew Those are just a few. These songs were created from scratch with no old record to provide the whole foundation for the song. If any that I listed contained samples, then I have never heard the original record it was sampled from. As far as singing, most rap back then was on 12 Inches. Some of the rap groups that actually had albums, contained slow songs where they actually attempted to sing. "Fairytale Lover" by UTFO is a prime example. Since the 1990s, standards have been drastically lowered for most all genres of music, not just rap, and Eminem is no exception. It's not about talent anymore, it's about record companies making the biggest profit possible and spending the least amount of money possible to make the profit. [Edited 11/19/04 7:54am]  Exactly. Thank you, Vainandy for clarifying things b/c sometimes people don't always have thier facts straight. | |
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Exactly. Thank you, Vainandy for clarifying things b/c sometimes people don't always have thier facts straight.Thank you. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Hotlegs said: kisscamille said: Some may think Chuck D is a hero too, but he doesn't mean shit to me!! Oh well. Opinion are assholes and everybody has one. If you don't like Chuck D that's on you. Yes indeed, opinion are like assholes and we're all entitled to our opinions. I never looked upon Elvis as a hero and neither do I look upon Chuck as one either. If you do, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. | |
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vainandy said:[quote] Since the 1990s, standards have been drastically lowered for most all genres of music, not just rap, and Eminem is no exception. It's not about talent anymore, it's about record companies making the biggest profit possible and spending the least amount of money possible to make the profit. [Edited 11/19/04 7:54am] Rap is also a lot bigger now. The whole hip-hop culture is a worldwide phenomenon. Unfortunately, record companies often take advantage of that fact. But if you listen to the Beastie Boys new album, almost every song is an entire sample. Eminem and Dre only sample a few seconds of songs and add them to the beats they have already produced. If anything, their albums have raised the standards. But I guess if you don't have an ear for excellent rap, you wouldn't know that. | |
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pkidwell said:[quote] vainandy said: Since the 1990s, standards have been drastically lowered for most all genres of music, not just rap, and Eminem is no exception. It's not about talent anymore, it's about record companies making the biggest profit possible and spending the least amount of money possible to make the profit. [Edited 11/19/04 7:54am] Rap is also a lot bigger now. The whole hip-hop culture is a worldwide phenomenon. Unfortunately, record companies often take advantage of that fact. But if you listen to the Beastie Boys new album, almost every song is an entire sample. Eminem and Dre only sample a few seconds of songs and add them to the beats they have already produced. If anything, their albums have raised the standards. But I guess if you don't have an ear for excellent rap, you wouldn't know that. Well i haven't heard "Excellent rap" since 96 the late 80's and early nineties was the innovative period of hip hop culture As soon as the east coast west coast rap war flourished with the death of two supreme artist Rap culture began to die down who's fault? i blame puffy but hey thats me Now i've loved me some Dre Dre has and will always be the man Em may be Dre's Protoge but he's no Dre Marshal Mathers Lp was gold why? cause it was mostly production Of Dre once Em got into the mix, you can tell the difference between dre's production and em/ D-12 Dre's Production value is extremely elaborate whilst Em's production is lackluster One thing i appreciate is originality show me a beat master who doesn't have to sample anything then i'll show you a true Producer Em tends to over sample, whilst dre uses Samples but rarely does so Eminem is a talented rapper when he has the RIGHT INSPIRATION but his beats are lackluster you can have tight ryhmes and bad beats and no one's gonna give a shyt I thought Encore was Garbage a Poppy mainstream mess the skits where tired it wasn't enjoyable anymore Sometimes in order to go forwards you must go backwards but do not repeat yourself Eminem is repeating himself and that will only lead to his demise in hip hop Then again since he's white he might just become the Britney Spears of Rap Which would be F*cking Ironic! This is the second time Em has seriously disapointed me does it again ima call him a One Hit Wonder, By my standards thats all i have to say | |
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vainandy said: Hotlegs said
Exactly. Thank you, Vainandy for clarifying things b/c sometimes people don't always have thier facts straight.Thank you.[/quote] Ha! U think those lil' bit of songs are gonna change my mind? Even if they were not sampled the snares, the technology were all done in a specific way to represent the music. And what..u are acting like Eminem & Dre is Puffy who has sampled the entire 70's & 80's record collection already.  Just about ALL of Dre's music is original...Im a beat maker myself, I pay attention to producers sounds. I hear even in Timbalands beats..the air in the snares..I can hear that they are sampled, but it is still original because he uses his own sounds and complex creativity 2 get what he wants.
And as for the slow thing goes..um .. If u ever had listened 2 any of Eminem's albums u would have already heard that "Bonnie & Clyde 96" "Marshal Mathers" "Stan" "Halies Song" "Sing For The Moment" and the new "Mockingbird" So get on up outta here with that mess. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Luv4oneanotha said: pkidwell said: Rap is also a lot bigger now. The whole hip-hop culture is a worldwide phenomenon. Unfortunately, record companies often take advantage of that fact. But if you listen to the Beastie Boys new album, almost every song is an entire sample. Eminem and Dre only sample a few seconds of songs and add them to the beats they have already produced. If anything, their albums have raised the standards. But I guess if you don't have an ear for excellent rap, you wouldn't know that. Well i haven't heard "Excellent rap" since 96 the late 80's and early nineties was the innovative period of hip hop culture As soon as the east coast west coast rap war flourished with the death of two supreme artist Rap culture began to die down who's fault? i blame puffy but hey thats me Now i've loved me some Dre Dre has and will always be the man Em may be Dre's Protoge but he's no Dre Marshal Mathers Lp was gold why? cause it was mostly production Of Dre once Em got into the mix, you can tell the difference between dre's production and em/ D-12 Dre's Production value is extremely elaborate whilst Em's production is lackluster One thing i appreciate is originality show me a beat master who doesn't have to sample anything then i'll show you a true Producer Em tends to over sample, whilst dre uses Samples but rarely does so Eminem is a talented rapper when he has the RIGHT INSPIRATION but his beats are lackluster you can have tight ryhmes and bad beats and no one's gonna give a shyt I thought Encore was Garbage a Poppy mainstream mess the skits where tired it wasn't enjoyable anymore Sometimes in order to go forwards you must go backwards but do not repeat yourself Eminem is repeating himself and that will only lead to his demise in hip hop Then again since he's white he might just become the Britney Spears of Rap Which would be F*cking Ironic! This is the second time Em has seriously disapointed me does it again ima call him a One Hit Wonder, By my standards thats all i have to say I do admit, if Em does not come back hard with a better first single then no one is going to take him seriously. he turns off people whom also are his fans by comin out with dumb shit like Without Me, Just Lose It. Then he ALWAYS comes out with a nice 2nd choice single, but by that time lots of people are already turned away. My Name Is was so dumb to me..until I heard "Guilty Concience" and I was like, "damn I didnt know he was like that with Dre, ths song is nice". I don't know who was in charge of the production of the FIRST D-12 CD against the last one because the last one was all over the place, and I'm guessing that is because Eminem was more in charge. So I'll give u that, but .. it's like I say again.. Missy & Timbaland..while Missy's production is hot at times, she'd be nothing without Timbo. Janet, Jimmy & Terry, Michael Quincy & Teddy, In this sense I do admit w/o Dre he wouldnt be so hot, and he has said that time and time and time again on his CD's Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Eminem and Dre only sample a few seconds of songs and add them to the beats they have already produced. If anything, their albums have raised the standards. But I guess if you don't have an ear for excellent rap, you wouldn't know that. That's the problem. The main thing they make are "beats". If you take the vocals and the samples away, the majority of the song is just a midtempo "beat". Rap in the early 1980s, when it was released mainly on 12 Inches, was much more than just a beat. They were actually "songs". If you flipped the 12 Inch over and played the instrumental or dub version (which many radio stations and clubs did at the time), the record could still stand it's own as a song because there was more to it than just a beat. Many people preferred the instrumental side over the vocal side because the music was just that good. If a track does not have music behind it, it is no longer a "song"...it is a "poem". Not only were standards lowered as far as instruments go, they were also lowered tempo wise. The majority of rap from 1990 to the present is midtempo. If you slow a song down enough, ANYONE can rap over the beat. I can't tell you how many times I heard The Isley Brothers' "Between The Sheets" sampled by rappers in the 1990s. "Between The Sheets" was a slow song and a lot of the time, you can hear it sampled in rap song at an even slower pace than the original song. Rappers are making it easy for themselves and it shows. Standards have been lowered for so long that now a whole new generation is into music that was never around when standards were much higher. This generation cannot relate to anything better because lowered standards are all they know. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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paisleypark4 said: vainandy said: Thank you. Ha! U think those lil' bit of songs are gonna change my mind? Even if they were not sampled the snares, the technology were all done in a specific way to represent the music. And what..u are acting like Eminem & Dre is Puffy who has sampled the entire 70's & 80's record collection already. Just about ALL of Dre's music is original...Im a beat maker myself, I pay attention to producers sounds. I hear even in Timbalands beats..the air in the snares..I can hear that they are sampled, but it is still original because he uses his own sounds and complex creativity 2 get what he wants.
And as for the slow thing goes..um .. If u ever had listened 2 any of Eminem's albums u would have already heard that "Bonnie & Clyde 96" "Marshal Mathers" "Stan" "Halies Song" "Sing For The Moment" and the new "Mockingbird" So get on up outta here with that mess. I'm not trying to make you change your mind about what you like. If you like it, you just like it...it's unexplainable...it's the same with me and what I like. I was just showing you a comparison of these old rap songs as compared to the ones of today. A lot of times when people say they don't like today's rap, they can only respond by saying "It doesn't sound good" or "I hate the image the rappers have and the content of their lyrics". Those phrases apply to me also but I like to explain even further why I don't like it and prove that today's rap is just a "beat" and "talk" by comparing the songs to the older songs which were much more. If the new songs were actually good with some actual structure and originality, the whole rapper image would only be a minor problem with me. If there was some real music behind it, I could even overlook the image or the lyrics. When I listen to a song, the first thing that catches my ear is the music. I could care less about the lyrics. I'm glad you picked up on the fact that the songs I listed are at a much faster tempo than the ones of today. I don't own any Eminem albums and don't intend to buy any, but if the songs you listed are indeed fast songs with at least an ounce of originality to them...then Eminem needs to choose these songs when he decides to release a single or make a video. Someone needs to do something to get the world out of the musical rut it is in. As far as Dr. Dre goes, the only work of his that I find even listenable is the work that everyone else hates...The World Class Wrecking Crew. What's up with all the hate for that group? Is it because "The Fly" was a song that contained more than just a midtempo beat and some talk? "The Fly" and "Bionic" were two jams that could definately make you want to move. Isn't that the purpose of music? If I want to sit still and listen to a "story", I will turn on the TV and watch "As The World Turns". [Edited 11/20/04 7:15am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: pkidwell said
Eminem and Dre only sample a few seconds of songs and add them to the beats they have already produced. If anything, their albums have raised the standards. But I guess if you don't have an ear for excellent rap, you wouldn't know that. That's the problem. The main thing they make are "beats". If you take the vocals and the samples away, the majority of the song is just a midtempo "beat". Rap in the early 1980s, when it was released mainly on 12 Inches, was much more than just a beat. They were actually "songs". If you flipped the 12 Inch over and played the instrumental or dub version (which many radio stations and clubs did at the time), the record could still stand it's own as a song because there was more to it than just a beat. Many people preferred the instrumental side over the vocal side because the music was just that good. If a track does not have music behind it, it is no longer a "song"...it is a "poem". Not only were standards lowered as far as instruments go, they were also lowered tempo wise. The majority of rap from 1990 to the present is midtempo. If you slow a song down enough, ANYONE can rap over the beat. I can't tell you how many times I heard The Isley Brothers' "Between The Sheets" sampled by rappers in the 1990s. "Between The Sheets" was a slow song and a lot of the time, you can hear it sampled in rap song at an even slower pace than the original song. Rappers are making it easy for themselves and it shows. Standards have been lowered for so long that now a whole new generation is into music that was never around when standards were much higher. This generation cannot relate to anything better because lowered standards are all they know. Exactly. | |
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vainandy said: I'm not trying to make you change your mind about what you like. If you like it, you just like it...it's unexplainable...it's the same with me and what I like. I was just showing you a comparison of these old rap songs as compared to the ones of today. A lot of times when people say they don't like today's rap, they can only respond by saying "It doesn't sound good" or "I hate the image the rappers have and the content of their lyrics". Those phrases apply to me also but I like to explain even further why I don't like it and prove that today's rap is just a "beat" and "talk" by comparing the songs to the older songs which were much more. If the new songs were actually good with some actual structure and originality, the whole rapper image would only be a minor problem with me. If there was some real music behind it, I could even overlook the image or the lyrics. When I listen to a song, the first thing that catches my ear is the music. I could care less about the lyrics. I'm glad you picked up on the fact that the songs I listed are at a much faster tempo than the ones of today. I don't own any Eminem albums and don't intend to buy any, but if the songs you listed are indeed fast songs with at least an ounce of originality to them...then Eminem needs to choose these songs when he decides to release a single or make a video. Someone needs to do something to get the world out of the musical rut it is in. As far as Dr. Dre goes, the only work of his that I find even listenable is the work that everyone else hates...The World Class Wrecking Crew. What's up with all the hate for that group? Is it because "The Fly" was a song that contained more than just a midtempo beat and some talk? "The Fly" and "Bionic" were two jams that could definately make you want to move. Isn't that the purpose of music? If I want to sit still and listen to a "story", I will turn on the TV and watch "As The World Turns". [Edited 11/20/04 7:15am]  Well Said. | |
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vainandy said: pkidwell said
Eminem and Dre only sample a few seconds of songs and add them to the beats they have already produced. If anything, their albums have raised the standards. But I guess if you don't have an ear for excellent rap, you wouldn't know that. That's the problem. The main thing they make are "beats". If you take the vocals and the samples away, the majority of the song is just a midtempo "beat". Rap in the early 1980s, when it was released mainly on 12 Inches, was much more than just a beat. They were actually "songs". If you flipped the 12 Inch over and played the instrumental or dub version (which many radio stations and clubs did at the time), the record could still stand it's own as a song because there was more to it than just a beat. Many people preferred the instrumental side over the vocal side because the music was just that good. If a track does not have music behind it, it is no longer a "song"...it is a "poem". Not only were standards lowered as far as instruments go, they were also lowered tempo wise. The majority of rap from 1990 to the present is midtempo. If you slow a song down enough, ANYONE can rap over the beat. I can't tell you how many times I heard The Isley Brothers' "Between The Sheets" sampled by rappers in the 1990s. "Between The Sheets" was a slow song and a lot of the time, you can hear it sampled in rap song at an even slower pace than the original song. Rappers are making it easy for themselves and it shows. Standards have been lowered for so long that now a whole new generation is into music that was never around when standards were much higher. This generation cannot relate to anything better because lowered standards are all they know. What are some examples of early 80s hip hop where the backing track's are strong enough to stand on their own? Not that I doubt they exist I'm just curious. I know little to nothing about most of hip-hop before Public Enemy | |
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vainandy said: I'm not trying to make you change your mind about what you like. If you like it, you just like it...it's unexplainable...it's the same with me and what I like. I was just showing you a comparison of these old rap songs as compared to the ones of today. A lot of times when people say they don't like today's rap, they can only respond by saying "It doesn't sound good" or "I hate the image the rappers have and the content of their lyrics". Those phrases apply to me also but I like to explain even further why I don't like it and prove that today's rap is just a "beat" and "talk" by comparing the songs to the older songs which were much more. If the new songs were actually good with some actual structure and originality, the whole rapper image would only be a minor problem with me. If there was some real music behind it, I could even overlook the image or the lyrics. When I listen to a song, the first thing that catches my ear is the music. I could care less about the lyrics. I'm glad you picked up on the fact that the songs I listed are at a much faster tempo than the ones of today. I don't own any Eminem albums and don't intend to buy any, but if the songs you listed are indeed fast songs with at least an ounce of originality to them...then Eminem needs to choose these songs when he decides to release a single or make a video. Someone needs to do something to get the world out of the musical rut it is in. As far as Dr. Dre goes, the only work of his that I find even listenable is the work that everyone else hates...The World Class Wrecking Crew. What's up with all the hate for that group? Is it because "The Fly" was a song that contained more than just a midtempo beat and some talk? "The Fly" and "Bionic" were two jams that could definately make you want to move. Isn't that the purpose of music? If I want to sit still and listen to a "story", I will turn on the TV and watch "As The World Turns". [Edited 11/20/04 7:15am] Nice uptempo songs by Em that don't contain much 'story' Im Back 
Kill You Rain Man Cum On Everybody Kids  This one contains Em speaking in Cartman's voice and teaching kids about drugs and stuff.
I wonder what u think about the greatest rap jam of all time "The Message" Boy that song BEATS! I love the beat, but there also lies a very harsh message within the song though the stories they tell about living in the ghetto and jail...that is what every rap song intends to be...at least 2 me that is. Im so tired of Uptempo rap jams with nothing but nonsense about money, hoes and cars... Em never has dissapointed me with that fake bullshit. Hotlegs quit ridin on everybody's negative posts.. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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vainandy said: I'm not trying to make you change your mind about what you like. If you like it, you just like it...it's unexplainable...it's the same with me and what I like. I was just showing you a comparison of these old rap songs as compared to the ones of today. A lot of times when people say they don't like today's rap, they can only respond by saying "It doesn't sound good" or "I hate the image the rappers have and the content of their lyrics". Those phrases apply to me also but I like to explain even further why I don't like it and prove that today's rap is just a "beat" and "talk" by comparing the songs to the older songs which were much more. If the new songs were actually good with some actual structure and originality, the whole rapper image would only be a minor problem with me. If there was some real music behind it, I could even overlook the image or the lyrics. When I listen to a song, the first thing that catches my ear is the music. I could care less about the lyrics. I'm glad you picked up on the fact that the songs I listed are at a much faster tempo than the ones of today. I don't own any Eminem albums and don't intend to buy any, but if the songs you listed are indeed fast songs with at least an ounce of originality to them...then Eminem needs to choose these songs when he decides to release a single or make a video. Someone needs to do something to get the world out of the musical rut it is in. As far as Dr. Dre goes, the only work of his that I find even listenable is the work that everyone else hates...The World Class Wrecking Crew. What's up with all the hate for that group? Is it because "The Fly" was a song that contained more than just a midtempo beat and some talk? "The Fly" and "Bionic" were two jams that could definately make you want to move. Isn't that the purpose of music? If I want to sit still and listen to a "story", I will turn on the TV and watch "As The World Turns". [Edited 11/20/04 7:15am] Nice uptempo songs by Em that don't contain much 'story' Im Back
Kill You Rain Man Cum On Everybody Kids This one contains Em speaking in Cartman's voice and teaching kids about drugs and stuff.
I wonder what u think about the greatest rap jam of all time "The Message" Boy that song BEATS! I love the beat, but there also lies a very harsh message within the song though the stories they tell about living in the ghetto and jail...that is what every rap song intends to be...at least 2 me that is. Im so tired of Uptempo rap jams with nothing but nonsense about money, hoes and cars... Em never has dissapointed me with that fake bullshit. Hotlegs quit ridin on everybody's negative posts.. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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What are some examples of early 80s hip hop where the backing track's are strong enough to stand on their own? Not that I doubt they exist I'm just curious. I know little to nothing about most of hip-hop before Public Enemy There are so many. The instrumental I remember being played the most was "Planet Rock". True enough this song is stolen from Kraftwerk's "Trans Europe Express" but it doesn't sound like a sample, it sounds more like it's been remade...but better. The nine minute instrumental of this song rocked many a club. Apparently many other people besides me love it because it has been sampled numerous times by The 2 Live Crew and many other uptempo rap groups that came out later. Another one is Egyptian Lover's "Egypt, Egypt". There is no instrumental to this song but the song has a long intro before the rap comes in and the beat breaks down in the middle with a long instrumental ending. This song has also been sampled many times by other rap groups. The dub version of Newcleus' "Jam On It" is absolutely excellent. I prefer this version over the vocal version by far. Twilight 22's "Electric Kingdom" and "Siberian Nights" instrumentals can also rock a party. Any instrumental by Pretty Tony and Freestyle can stand alone...there's just good music behind it. A lot of these instrumentals are great for mixing with other tracks when you want a good long mix. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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paisleypark4 said
Nice uptempo songs by Em that don't contain much 'story' Im Back
Kill You Rain Man Cum On Everybody Kids This one contains Em speaking in Cartman's voice and teaching kids about drugs and stuff.
I wonder what u think about the greatest rap jam of all time "The Message" Boy that song BEATS! I love the beat, but there also lies a very harsh message within the song though the stories they tell about living in the ghetto and jail...that is what every rap song intends to be...at least 2 me that is. Im so tired of Uptempo rap jams with nothing but nonsense about money, hoes and cars... Em never has dissapointed me with that fake bullshit. I have not heard those but I will be listening for them. Hotlegs quit ridin on everybody's negative posts..
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vainandy you've really made me think, and I find your posts very persuasive.
I'm a bit concerned about listing electro songs as evidence of hiphop once being "completely original". Electro is a genre that favors drum machines and synths. While appreciated/born by hiphop, it isn't defined by it. | |
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Even something like "The Breaks" by Kurtis Blow isn't a perfect example of new songs from that era because even when a bedtrack was new, it was because a funk band like Wood Brass & Steel was trying to emulate the kind of records that MCs rapped over in the park jams.
Get a live bootleg of Cold Crush Brothers and you can bet they are rhyming over something like Freedom's "Get Up And Dance" and not with a live band. That's just not what hiphop is founded on. DJing is the element that is being disrespected when you dis sampling. | |
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I don't know how this turned in2 a samplng and originality thread, it's just Em not Puffy.
But Im glad it got 700 looks and 110 posts !  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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vainandy said:[quote] paisleypark4 said
Hotlegs quit ridin on everybody's negative posts..
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DJing is the element that is being disrespected when you dis sampling. I have absolutely no problem with DJing, there is nothing I like better than a good mix. When it comes to making actual songs, they need to be done from something original. If a sample is used, it needs to be just a small "snip" here and there, just for enhancement...not as the whole foundation of the song. There were plenty of songs back in the day that's whole foundation was another song such as: Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight (Chic's "Good Times) The Evasions - Wikka Wrap (Tom Browne's "Thighs High") The Challenge - Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde (Vanity 6's "Nasty Girl") Rich Little - President's Rap (Tom Tom Club's "Genius Of Love") These were just a few songs and groups as a whole did not stop making original music and following the trend. When it gets to the point that no one makes original music anymore, then there is a problem. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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sosgemini said:[quote]so, disliking an artist's work makes you a hater or a non-fan? 
im surprised this album is getting such bad reviews from both critics and fans..... THANK GOD!!! I'm not a big fan of Eminem and I haven't heard the entire cd either, but I've read several reviews and I haven't come across one bad review. Not sure what you've been reading, but the 6 or 7 reviews I've read have all been positive (ie: Em delivers again and again etc). | |
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Exactly! Not one bad review. And that is from people who really know music. Well, at least most of them. I've been listening to rap since "The Message" and "Rapper's Delight" so believe me when I say that this album will go down in history as a rap classic. Even if he doesn't have another hit from it. Who cares what gets played on the radio. I challenge Eminem to make an entire album of non-radio friendly songs. I'm sure you won't hear many Mos Def songs on the radio but his new album is also a classic! And "Just Loose It" is a great track.I can't keep up with this thread longer though.  | |
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vainandy I get what you're saying. Do you like the Neptunes? | |
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pkidwell said: Exactly! Not one bad review. And that is from people who really know music. Well, at least most of them. I've been listening to rap since "The Message" and "Rapper's Delight" so believe me when I say that this album will go down in history as a rap classic. Even if he doesn't have another hit from it. Who cares what gets played on the radio. I challenge Eminem to make an entire album of non-radio friendly songs. I'm sure you won't hear many Mos Def songs on the radio but his new album is also a classic! And "Just Loose It" is a great track.I can't keep up with this thread longer though.
I don't know if it is on top of "Slim Shady LP" they both are really the same 2 me. I will include it in my classics list also, because, Em is just so lyrically talented and twisted in the head, and makes fun of himself so much, yet has so much confidence and power when he raps...alot of artists have so much "machismo" that they cannot break from that mold from lookin at themselves from the outside.. Eminem does that all the time...he understands how we feel about him..and he cares, yet he doesnt care. I dont really like Get Lose It, but I bet if "Ass Like THat" or "Never Enough" came out fools will be bumpin that! My brother really likes "Toy Soldiers" and "yellow Brick Road" He said it's not as bad as everyone is sayin it is.I havent read a ok review so far... where did u c it? Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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