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PrintableVoicesCarry said: My point was that she's just as image-conscious as Beyonce, but she dresses it up with high art and pretension. Now, Beyonce gets paid millions for appealing to the lowest common denominator, but much of the money Bjork's made is a direct result of the Icelandic muse image she's worked so very hard to cultivate.
Well, yeah, the distinction Bjork makes between her and Beyonce is that she is pimping her image to get the better for it. She also says; good for her, it's probably the American way. Bjork in the meantime wears weird clothes cuz she likes it, but something not commonly known is that she buys avantgarde clothing from lots of beginning clothing designers. So Bjork does not only pimp her image to further her own bank account; she does it (also) to further along other carreers. It's just a slight difference. | |
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And I think she feels groovy in swan dresses; goody for her! | |
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BREAK IT FUCKING DOWN! Space for sale... | |
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 Space for sale... | |
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what's your point, posting those badly photoshopped pictures? trying to show everyone how "wacky" she is? i think all of her fans already know that, which is why they love her.
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mrdespues said: what's your point, posting those badly photoshopped pictures? trying to show everyone how "wacky" she is? i think all of her fans already know that, which is why they love her.
Hehehe. Nice try, but www.bjork has all the pics I ever need. And more. Please take that awful photohopped pic offline! AAAAA. | |
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GooeyTheHamster said: mrdespues said: what's your point, posting those badly photoshopped pictures? trying to show everyone how "wacky" she is? i think all of her fans already know that, which is why they love her.
Hehehe. Nice try, but www.bjork has all the pics I ever need. And more. Please take that awful photohopped pic offline! AAAAA. you meant to reply to sosgemini, right?  | |
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mrdespues said: GooeyTheHamster said: Hehehe. Nice try, but www.bjork has all the pics I ever need. And more. Please take that awful photohopped pic offline! AAAAA. you meant to reply to sosgemini, right? yeah yeah. LOVE nic's words, just not that silly pic. | |
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I dig where Bjork comes from,,
But I can't hate on a sista for trying to get paid. Thats her hustle at the end of the day. And besides, I'd rather watch Beyonce than Maddy's old stankin' ass anyday  | |
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GangstaFam said: This SO doesn't sound like something she'd say.
 that's what I was thinking! | |
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4HisGlory said: Since when does Bjork's opinion count? She looks like she smells like fish all the time.
 k- I love Bjork, but this cracked me up! | |
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endorphin74 said: GangstaFam said: This SO doesn't sound like something she'd say.
that's what I was thinking! It could easily be, but like I said; it has been taken out of context, obviously. When properly placed it would show that this remark is just ONE in a conversation that could easily be about commercialism. We all know how she thinks about THAT! To me the remark reads like she really likes Beyonce's music, but thinks that the commercialism is detracting from the music. But hey! It seems kewl just catchphrasing someone and then just call it a diss. | |
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GooeyTheHamster said: endorphin74 said: that's what I was thinking! It could easily be, but like I said; it has been taken out of context, obviously. When properly placed it would show that this remark is just ONE in a conversation that could easily be about commercialism. We all know how she thinks about THAT! To me the remark reads like she really likes Beyonce's music, but thinks that the commercialism is detracting from the music. But hey! It seems kewl just catchphrasing someone and then just call it a diss.
yep. | |
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mrdespues said: VoicesCarry said: That wasn't my point. My point was that she's just as image-conscious as Beyonce, but she dresses it up with high art and pretension. Now, Beyonce gets paid millions for appealing to the lowest common denominator, but much of the money Bjork's made is a direct result of the Icelandic muse image she's worked so very hard to cultivate. [Edited 10/28/04 11:40am] you know, you sound so jaded. the "image" of bjork is not pre-fabricated plastic like beyonce's....it stems from the real life she lived in iceland. it's REAL, not manufactured, which is what I think Bjork is so against with the Pepsi thing. it seems some people just can't accept someone like Bjork who's so unique in every way. it's not pretentious...she GREW UP going to an actual music school where what you call pretentious and what I call a musical education (I also went to a music school) has highly influenced her music and her art. If you think she's pretentious, you may as well call all of 20th century classical music and its musicians pretentious. . [Edited 10/28/04 11:57am] Oh, get off your high horse. First of all, where the fuck did I mention musical education? I was not talking about her musical background, which is of course infinitely more sophisticated and authentic than Beyonce. You act as if Bjork twaddles to the convenience store wearing getups like those - if she did, that would be "real" for her. She's crafted a very unique and ambiguous image, but it's one that works for her, even if a lot of the "uniqueness" is lifted from various cultures and icons. She doesn't actually live that image out in everyday life, but it sure works wonders convincing people like you that she's some sort of ethereal muse. And it's been very successful. If she had no music to back it up, you'd be ragging on her for style over substance. And there you are. | |
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That wasn't very nice for Bjork to say. I wonder why she feels so strongly about what Beyonce is doing? Studiotraffic-One of the fastest ways to get payed on the net! | |
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VoicesCarry said: First of all, where the fuck did I mention musical education? I was not talking about her musical background, which is of course infinitely more sophisticated and authentic than Beyonce. You act as if Bjork twaddles to the convenience store wearing getups like those - if she did, that would be "real" for her. She's crafted a very unique and ambiguous image, but it's one that works for her, even if a lot of the "uniqueness" is lifted from various cultures and icons. She doesn't actually live that image out in everyday life, but it sure works wonders convincing people like you that she's some sort of ethereal muse. And it's been very successful. If she had no music to back it up, you'd be ragging on her for style over substance. And there you are. Yup. In utter confusion. So. You know EVERYDAY Bjork? I see only ONE person on a high horse...(and it ain't mr despues) But I never seen a horse 20 ft tall...  watch out there, don't fall off! Can you hear me?
CAN YOU HEAR ME? (I guess my voice dont carry over a wall so thick...) Anyways. I feel a bit of a formed opinion on Bjork just radiating from you... | |
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PS.
I like this thread. Defending Bjrok and obviously winning this debate with logic and witty humour! YIPPEE! | |
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GooeyTheHamster said: PS.
I like this thread. Defending Bjrok and obviously winning this debate with logic and witty humour! YIPPEE! PS I am not defending my own spelling! Bjrok is of course BJORK! | |
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VoicesCarry said: mrdespues said: you know, you sound so jaded. the "image" of bjork is not pre-fabricated plastic like beyonce's....it stems from the real life she lived in iceland. it's REAL, not manufactured, which is what I think Bjork is so against with the Pepsi thing. it seems some people just can't accept someone like Bjork who's so unique in every way. it's not pretentious...she GREW UP going to an actual music school where what you call pretentious and what I call a musical education (I also went to a music school) has highly influenced her music and her art. If you think she's pretentious, you may as well call all of 20th century classical music and its musicians pretentious. . [Edited 10/28/04 11:57am] Oh, get off your high horse. First of all, where the fuck did I mention musical education? I was not talking about her musical background, which is of course infinitely more sophisticated and authentic than Beyonce. You act as if Bjork twaddles to the convenience store wearing getups like those - if she did, that would be "real" for her. She's crafted a very unique and ambiguous image, but it's one that works for her, even if a lot of the "uniqueness" is lifted from various cultures and icons. She doesn't actually live that image out in everyday life, but it sure works wonders convincing people like you that she's some sort of ethereal muse. And it's been very successful. If she had no music to back it up, you'd be ragging on her for style over substance. And there you are. bullshit! i couldn't care LESS about what she wears. Her music is wonderful which is all that I care about. that she has a great visual sense is a bonus. her visual side is in a totally different league than beyonce. Also, WHEN she's on the WORLD STAGE, she milks it and plays up to that image. So fucking what? It's called fun. You expect artists to BE their image 100% of the time? It's not less real for her to walk down to the corner store wearing whatever the fuck she wants....track pants, whatever. you're just like so many rabid consumers who expect musicians and artists of any kind to be "icons" day in, day out who cater to your own idea of what a "star" should be....but she's just a human being. Bjork is a real artist, a down to earth person (ever seen her interviewed?) who obviously doesn't really care for consumerist crap and you've missed the boat on that. | |
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mrdespues said: bullshit! i couldn't care LESS about what she wears. Her music is wonderful which is all that I care about. that she has a great visual sense is a bonus. her visual side is in a totally different league than beyonce.
Also, WHEN she's on the WORLD STAGE, she milks it and plays up to that image. So fucking what? It's called fun. You expect artists to BE their image 100% of the time? It's not less real for her to walk down to the corner store wearing whatever the fuck she wants....track pants, whatever. you're just like so many rabid consumers who expect musicians and artists of any kind to be "icons" day in, day out who cater to your own idea of what a "star" should be....but she's just a human being. Bjork is a real artist, a down to earth person (ever seen her interviewed?) who obviously doesn't really care for consumerist crap and you've missed the boat on that. If you werent straight and living on the other side of the earth and not in a relationship I would have married yer ass! And the rest. | |
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GooeyTheHamster said: mrdespues said: bullshit! i couldn't care LESS about what she wears. Her music is wonderful which is all that I care about. that she has a great visual sense is a bonus. her visual side is in a totally different league than beyonce.
Also, WHEN she's on the WORLD STAGE, she milks it and plays up to that image. So fucking what? It's called fun. You expect artists to BE their image 100% of the time? It's not less real for her to walk down to the corner store wearing whatever the fuck she wants....track pants, whatever. you're just like so many rabid consumers who expect musicians and artists of any kind to be "icons" day in, day out who cater to your own idea of what a "star" should be....but she's just a human being. Bjork is a real artist, a down to earth person (ever seen her interviewed?) who obviously doesn't really care for consumerist crap and you've missed the boat on that. If you werent straight and living on the other side of the earth and not in a relationship I would have married yer ass! And the rest. hahaha! appreciated. | |
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As far as the image debate goes I agree with Voicescarry. I mean we're STILL talking about that Swan dress and it's been years since that happened. I'm sure she knew that would happen. Her image is carefully cultivated. I'm still in wonder of it, but you'd have to be really naive to think she doesn't think about her image. |
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GooeyTheHamster said: mrdespues said: bullshit! i couldn't care LESS about what she wears. Her music is wonderful which is all that I care about. that she has a great visual sense is a bonus. her visual side is in a totally different league than beyonce.
Also, WHEN she's on the WORLD STAGE, she milks it and plays up to that image. So fucking what? It's called fun. You expect artists to BE their image 100% of the time? It's not less real for her to walk down to the corner store wearing whatever the fuck she wants....track pants, whatever. you're just like so many rabid consumers who expect musicians and artists of any kind to be "icons" day in, day out who cater to your own idea of what a "star" should be....but she's just a human being. Bjork is a real artist, a down to earth person (ever seen her interviewed?) who obviously doesn't really care for consumerist crap and you've missed the boat on that. If you werent straight and living on the other side of the earth and not in a relationship I would have married yer ass! And the rest. Obsessing much?  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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after seeing that mess beyonce was wearing to the VMAs this year, i can't see how anyone can defend her by attacking what BJORK wears...at least bjork KNOWS she looks over the top.
though actually, if bjork showed up for an awards show in a fugly mama knowles original peach chiffon prom dress with peasant sleeves and a hoop skirt, i think it would be the ultimate statement. | |
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CynicKill said: but you'd have to be really naive to think she doesn't think about her image.
i don't think anyone said anything contrary to that. true, her image is carefully constructed, but it's a vast amount less contrived and more meaningful than beyonce's. it's really quite ridiculous to compare the two. just because bjork goes against convention doesn't mean it's pretense. we need people like bjork in the music world to push the conventions of pop and its image otherwise all we'd have is britney x 100. pop has always been about image, though people like bjork, radiohead and even prince add a level of depth to it that is missing in so much of it. it should be obvious that beyonce has a lot more marketing behind whatever she wears which is designed to reign in those who fall prey to such surface-level eye candy. bjork also has a thought-over image, but in contrast it actually ties in to the multi-layered themes of her work. | |
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4HisGlory said: Since when does Bjork's opinion count? She looks like she smells like fish all the time.
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mrdespues said: CynicKill said: but you'd have to be really naive to think she doesn't think about her image.
i don't think anyone said anything contrary to that. true, her image is carefully constructed, but it's a vast amount less contrived and more meaningful than beyonce's. it's really quite ridiculous to compare the two. just because bjork goes against convention doesn't mean it's pretense. we need people like bjork in the music world to push the conventions of pop and its image otherwise all we'd have is britney x 100. pop has always been about image, though people like bjork, radiohead and even prince add a level of depth to it that is missing in so much of it. it should be obvious that beyonce has a lot more marketing behind whatever she wears which is designed to reign in those who fall prey to such surface-level eye candy. bjork also has a thought-over image, but in contrast it actually ties in to the multi-layered themes of her work. I agree. Beyonce pretty much has a corporate-manufactured image. She's a media mogul. Bjork has art in mind. |
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BJÖRK (?!?) out of all people has NO place passing judgment on Beyoncé. How's she gonna criticize a chick for something 1,200,452,394,203 artists do? | |
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JANFAN4L said: BJÖRK (?!?) out of all people has NO place passing judgment on Beyoncé. How's she gonna criticize a chick for something 1,200,452,394,203 artists do?
i don't think she was passing judgment. i think she was just voicing frustration that beyonce was doing pepsi commercials. bjork wanted beyonce to sing on her last album, after all - she's a fan. i don't think she's saying beyonce is BAD for doing commercials - she just wonders why she feels it's necessary. bjork's in a different headspace than someone like beyonce - bjork is all about the art. she also comes from a fairly privileged background and a culturally progressive community, so i'm sure her worldview is quite different than someone who doesn't have a problem with "making that cash". | |
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Raijuan said: "I love her voice, but maybe not what she stands for. I'm really p**sed off she's doing all of those commercials. I can't believe she did Pepsi," rate the music quoted Bjork as saying. Hey,beyonce has bills to pay! she has to pay for Jay-Z's enema's for one.... | |
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