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PrintableTheRealFiness said: aikam said: Soul Train had a TV special years ago where they showed clips from when they first aired and old performances etc. They showed this dance crew from the 70's doing the Moonwalk amongst other dances, this was waaay before Michael started doing it. It may have been "The Lockers" (the group with Re-run from What's Happening and Ozone from the movie Breakin') but I'm not sure. Michael has said more than once where he got the dance from, it's not and MJ original no matter how many die hard MJ fans think, I'm a huge MJ fan and I can admit that
 . Controversy, no, the truth, yes.Ozone was never a member of the Lockers...i will say this again, he got it from jefferey daniel formerly of Shalamar and ex soul train dancer Actually, Adolfo "Shabba Doo" Quinones , who played Ozone, WAS a member of the Lockers in the seventies. He was also one of the soul train dancers, (this is separate from the Moonwalk issue, though...)He is on several soul train episodes, and appears with the lockers on several seventies shows, including a filmed "Saturday Night Live"film which combined ballet dancers and the Lockers... [Edited 10/21/04 5:07am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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I have posted this fact since 1996. This is nothing new. But pretty funny that even his Jackobots/cultmembers now must admit the facts. If you only saw cultmember after cultmember say Jacko INVENTED it.  
so now lets all think about it WHY is Jacko amazing? What did he ever do?? EVERYTHING he has done was done before he did it, but he "slowly" takes credit for it. ... and YES Jacko HAS taken credit for "The Backslide"! 1) 2001 CBS MSG Concert Special: Jacko's Voice-Over Guy says "when MJ debut the moonwalk". 2)FOX Special Michael Jackson Home Movies: Jacko out of his own mouth says in the Thriller Era he was a creator & pioneer! BUT in the same special said Janet "STOLE" the military style of dance from him which made her career take off with Rythmn Nation
Funny how Jacko didn't bring up what he "STOLE" Everyone by now can tell Jacko is & was a no talent hack! Everything he has done was ripped off/stole from someone in the past, he didn't bring anything to the table. At the core there is NO Talent! If there was any talent he wouldnt need so much money to make & promote all his projects. Talent is free.. The Ideas are free.. when you dont have a clue & need to pay people with talent like Producers & Directors to make up crap so you look good. NOW add the #1 Money Push because on MTV you didn't need talent, just smoke & mirrors HE had No Talent. Stealing other peoples ideas isn't a talent that is a "collage artist" 1) Dance Moves- Jackie Wilson,James Brown,Electric Boogaloo 2) Video Concepts- Gene Kelly & other 1940's-50's dance musicals 3) Song Ideas- unsigned demos sent to Papa Joe's vanity label & the Fat Boys "Human Beat Box" I wonder when Latoya and others will bring up how Jacko hasn't sang LIVE anyone on tv for over 20 Years! So his most "popular" dance moves were ripped off & at the sametime he is Lip Syncing? Where is the talent????? [Edited 10/21/04 5:46am] | |
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DavidEye said: OrgJacko=LocoArts?
You're damn right. | |
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TheRealFiness said: aikam said: Soul Train had a TV special years ago where they showed clips from when they first aired and old performances etc. They showed this dance crew from the 70's doing the Moonwalk amongst other dances, this was waaay before Michael started doing it. It may have been "The Lockers" (the group with Re-run from What's Happening and Ozone from the movie Breakin') but I'm not sure. Michael has said more than once where he got the dance from, it's not and MJ original no matter how many die hard MJ fans think, I'm a huge MJ fan and I can admit that
. Controversy, no, the truth, yes.Ozone was never a member of the Lockers...i will say this again, he got it from jefferey daniel formerly of Shalamar and ex soul train dancer Adolfo "Shabadoo" Quinones aka Ozone from the movie Breakin' 1 and 2 was indeed a member of the group "The Lockers". I thought this was common knowledge in the Hip Hop world. Check out the info and pictures below and if you have a few extra dollars, pick up "What's Happening" season 1 on DVD and there is an episode with "The Lockers", Shabadoo/Ozone even has a speaking role on this episode 
http://tonytee.com/campbe...story.html 
Following is a portion of one of many articles online: Don recorded a song appropriately titled, " The Campbellock", to go along with his new high-flying, groundbreaking new dance. Don also established his own dance ensemble, "The Campbellock Dancers". The name was later changed to " The Lockers". Fred Berry( dancer/actor "Re-run" from TV's What's Happening) and Don's girlfriend at the time, Toni Basil (choreographer/recording artist), and Adolfo "Shabadoo" Quinones (dancer/actor "Ozone" from the films Breakin' & Breakin' 2-Electric Boogaloo) were one time-members of group. As well as Deney Terrio(host/choreographer from TV's Dance Fever), who would go on teach John Travolta how to dance for his role in the film Saturday Night Fever, using moves created by Don 10 yrs. early. I could care less who invented it, the point is Michael has never taken credit for it and has said many times where he got the move from, end of story. Ohhh you keep saying stay the niiiiiiiiight
Just let me rock you 'til the morning liiiiiiight It's cold outside And much too late to driiiiiiiive You know I need you baby I'm so lost without your love Mariah Carey - Stay The Night  | |
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Cloudbuster said: DavidEye said: OrgJacko=LocoArts?
You're damn right. If you're gonna have an "alter ego",you should at least change your style of posting...lol... | |
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Hey OrgJacko(aka "LocoArts"),what the hell do you mean that Michael has no talent and that he has "stolen" all of his ideas from others??If it really takes no talent to do the things he has done,then let's see YOU get up there and make an album like 'Off The Wall' and 'Thriller'....let's see YOU get up there and sell 50 million copies of an album....let's see YOU make grounbreaking,exciting music videos like "Thriller" and "Beat It"...let's see YOU write a classic song like "Billie Jean" .
Criticize his nose jobs,his behavior around young children,his eccentic ways,etc.But to imply that he has no musical talent whatsover is just fuckin' ridiculous. | |
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This just in: Michael Jackson can ride a bicycle. | |
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orgjacko said: 3) Song Ideas- unsigned demos sent to Papa Joe's vanity label & the Fat Boys "Human Beat Box" What the hell are you talking about his beatboxing?? | |
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aikam said: TheRealFiness said: Ozone was never a member of the Lockers...i will say this again, he got it from jefferey daniel formerly of Shalamar and ex soul train dancer Adolfo "Shabadoo" Quinones aka Ozone from the movie Breakin' 1 and 2 was indeed a member of the group "The Lockers". I thought this was common knowledge in the Hip Hop world. Check out the info and pictures below and if you have a few extra dollars, pick up "What's Happening" season 1 on DVD and there is an episode with "The Lockers", Shabadoo/Ozone even has a speaking role on this episode
http://tonytee.com/campbe...story.html
Following is a portion of one of many articles online: Don recorded a song appropriately titled, " The Campbellock", to go along with his new high-flying, groundbreaking new dance. Don also established his own dance ensemble, "The Campbellock Dancers". The name was later changed to " The Lockers". Fred Berry( dancer/actor "Re-run" from TV's What's Happening) and Don's girlfriend at the time, Toni Basil (choreographer/recording artist), and Adolfo "Shabadoo" Quinones (dancer/actor "Ozone" from the films Breakin' & Breakin' 2-Electric Boogaloo) were one time-members of group. As well as Deney Terrio(host/choreographer from TV's Dance Fever), who would go on teach John Travolta how to dance for his role in the film Saturday Night Fever, using moves created by Don 10 yrs. early. I could care less who invented it, the point is Michael has never taken credit for it and has said many times where he got the move from, end of story. CLOWNIN' | |
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LightOfArt said: he didnt invent it, but made it HIS OWN. yall calling it The Moonwalk coz of mike
Wow - he changed the name! Yeah, that's "making it his own" alright. | |
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TheRealFiness said: Jefferey daniel from Shalamar created the Moonwalk,him Mr.x and a few other cats had a poplock crew that would do routines on soul train. Mr.x was a short bald dude who wore an X in his ear.
incorrect: don't know of any earlier footage of what's now known as the "moonwalk", but bill "bojangles" robinson did it in one of his routines back in the '40's. for all you neophytes that ain't hip, "bojangles" was a pioneer tap dancer from the earler part of the century, and one of fred astaire's biggest influences. he's featured in a dance routine w/ shirley temple in one of her earlier movies. all this took place prolly before jeffrey daniel's MOM was even born. | |
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7thposition said: TheRealFiness said: Jefferey daniel from Shalamar created the Moonwalk,him Mr.x and a few other cats had a poplock crew that would do routines on soul train. Mr.x was a short bald dude who wore an X in his ear.
incorrect: don't know of any earlier footage of what's now known as the "moonwalk", but bill "bojangles" robinson did it in one of his routines back in the '40's. for all you neophytes that ain't hip, "bojangles" was a pioneer tap dancer from the earler part of the century, and one of fred astaire's biggest influences. he's featured in a dance routine w/ shirley temple in one of her earlier movies. all this took place prolly before jeffrey daniel's MOM was even born. I know who Bill ( Bojangles) Robinson is lets not get cocky son. u might get hurt | |
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The dance known as the Backslide was seen by MJ by black kids living in the projects, and he said he got it off them. He was able to put the dance on a big platform for all to see (Enhancing) the dance, this is according to MJ and he aint lyin | |
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7thposition said: don't know of any earlier footage of what's now known as the "moonwalk", but bill "bojangles" robinson did it in one of his routines back in the '40's. for all you neophytes that ain't hip, "bojangles" was a pioneer tap dancer from the earler part of the century, and one of fred astaire's biggest influences. he's featured in a dance routine w/ shirley temple in one of her earlier movies. all this took place prolly before jeffrey daniel's MOM was even born. http://www.offjazz.com/vi...bailey.wmv (The backslide/moonwalk is the last move done on this video) http://www.offjazz.com/tap-stars.htm Bill BAYLEY He was said to be Bill Robinsons student and elements of Bill Robinson can be seen in his performances, although his tapping style is quite a bit different. He appeared in many dance sequences il films. Harlem Variety Revue 1955 Tribute to Bill ROBINSON [Edited 10/21/04 11:36am] | |
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7thposition said: TheRealFiness said: Jefferey daniel from Shalamar created the Moonwalk,him Mr.x and a few other cats had a poplock crew that would do routines on soul train. Mr.x was a short bald dude who wore an X in his ear.
incorrect: don't know of any earlier footage of what's now known as the "moonwalk", but bill "bojangles" robinson did it in one of his routines back in the '40's. for all you neophytes that ain't hip, "bojangles" was a pioneer tap dancer from the earler part of the century, and one of fred astaire's biggest influences. he's featured in a dance routine w/ shirley temple in one of her earlier movies. all this took place prolly before jeffrey daniel's MOM was even born. CLOWNIN' | |
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DavidEye said: OrgJacko=LocoArts?
You got it.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: DavidEye said: OrgJacko=LocoArts?
You got it. Didn't he used to have a sly stallone avatar? he dare criticise other artists?
some front. |
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Marrk said: Supernova said: You got it.
Didn't he used to have a sly stallone avatar? he dare criticise other artists?
some front. | |
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twink69 said: As if Michael Jackson didn’t already have enough problems — now there’s a claim that he didn’t invent the Moonwalk.
advertisement The dance step is one of Jackson’s biggest claims to fame; the embattled singer is so closely associated with it that he called his 1988 autobiography “Moonwalk.” But now Jackson's older sister LaToya is claiming that a dancer from the television show “Soul Train” taught Michael how to Moonwalk. “I don’t know if you had this show called the ‘Soul Train,’” LaToya told British television host Frank Skinner this weekend. "There was this dancer Geoffrey, who was always doing the Moonwalk on that show. He taught Michael how to do it." LaToya said that it had been called the backslide, but claimed that Michael changed the name after he learned it from Geoffrey. “Sunday was the day to workout. Michael would take an hour and dance an hour straight, non-stop.” Jackson’s rep’s didn’t return calls for comment.  | |
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Meloh9 said: twink69 said: As if Michael Jackson didn’t already have enough problems — now there’s a claim that he didn’t invent the Moonwalk.
advertisement The dance step is one of Jackson’s biggest claims to fame; the embattled singer is so closely associated with it that he called his 1988 autobiography “Moonwalk.” But now Jackson's older sister LaToya is claiming that a dancer from the television show “Soul Train” taught Michael how to Moonwalk. “I don’t know if you had this show called the ‘Soul Train,’” LaToya told British television host Frank Skinner this weekend. "There was this dancer Geoffrey, who was always doing the Moonwalk on that show. He taught Michael how to do it." LaToya said that it had been called the backslide, but claimed that Michael changed the name after he learned it from Geoffrey. “Sunday was the day to workout. Michael would take an hour and dance an hour straight, non-stop.” Jackson’s rep’s didn’t return calls for comment.  | |
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What a revelation!
NOT! Is there anyone here who didn't know this? | |
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VoicesCarry said: LightOfArt said: he didnt invent it, but made it HIS OWN. yall calling it The Moonwalk coz of mike
Wow - he changed the name! Yeah, that's "making it his own" alright. Voices at it again
Everybody calls it moonwalk, not 'backslide'. There's a reason for that. Can you deny that everybody thinks of MJ when someone moonwalks? [Edited 10/22/04 8:54am] | |
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LightOfArt said: VoicesCarry said: Wow - he changed the name! Yeah, that's "making it his own" alright. Voices at it again
Everybody calls it moonwalk, not 'backslide'. There's a reason for that. Can you deny that everybody thinks of MJ when someone moonwalks? [Edited 10/22/04 8:54am] Um, that's because he did it in front of millions of people. He was famous. It is, however, not "making it his own". That implies actually adding something to it, you know, a bit of invention. Same thing with Madonna and Vogueing. [Edited 10/22/04 10:28am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: LightOfArt said: Voices at it again
Everybody calls it moonwalk, not 'backslide'. There's a reason for that. Can you deny that everybody thinks of MJ when someone moonwalks? [Edited 10/22/04 8:54am] Um, that's because he did it in front of millions of people. He was famous. It is, however, not "making it his own". That implies actually adding something to it, you know, a bit of invention. Same thing with Madonna and Vogueing. [Edited 10/22/04 10:28am] I didnt see backslide but people who saw it say, MJ's moonwalk has shoulder monvements and and is smoother mor illusion like. | |
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LightOfArt said: VoicesCarry said: Um, that's because he did it in front of millions of people. He was famous. It is, however, not "making it his own". That implies actually adding something to it, you know, a bit of invention. Same thing with Madonna and Vogueing. [Edited 10/22/04 10:28am] I didnt see backslide but people who saw it say, MJ's moonwalk has shoulder monvements and and is smoother mor illusion like. Ok, then. | |
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jayaredee said: DavidEye said: Did Michael ever say that he created this dance?
No, in fact i think i remember him saying he learned it from the black children in the ghetto.... Though im not sure of the truth behind that, he never claimed to have invented it. He said he got the step from inner city children and just altered it. | |
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TheRealFiness said: 7thposition said: incorrect: don't know of any earlier footage of what's now known as the "moonwalk", but bill "bojangles" robinson did it in one of his routines back in the '40's. for all you neophytes that ain't hip, "bojangles" was a pioneer tap dancer from the earler part of the century, and one of fred astaire's biggest influences. he's featured in a dance routine w/ shirley temple in one of her earlier movies. all this took place prolly before jeffrey daniel's MOM was even born. I know who Bill ( Bojangles) Robinson is lets not get cocky son. u might get hurt guess you're not one of the aforementioned "unhip neophytes" i spoke of then... hooray....(hmmmm) | |
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Meloh9 said: twink69 said: As if Michael Jackson didn’t already have enough problems — now there’s a claim that he didn’t invent the Moonwalk.
advertisement The dance step is one of Jackson’s biggest claims to fame; the embattled singer is so closely associated with it that he called his 1988 autobiography “Moonwalk.” But now Jackson's older sister LaToya is claiming that a dancer from the television show “Soul Train” taught Michael how to Moonwalk. “I don’t know if you had this show called the ‘Soul Train,’” LaToya told British television host Frank Skinner this weekend. "There was this dancer Geoffrey, who was always doing the Moonwalk on that show. He taught Michael how to do it." LaToya said that it had been called the backslide, but claimed that Michael changed the name after he learned it from Geoffrey. “Sunday was the day to workout. Michael would take an hour and dance an hour straight, non-stop.” Jackson’s rep’s didn’t return calls for comment.  I love this thing! But it confused the hell out of me.  | |
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