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Thread started 10/04/04 6:55pm

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does madonna have any good b-sides? (or any at all)

because all the madonna singles I own just offer mostly uninspired edits and remixes.

i don't think I've ever heard a madonna b-side

or michael jackson for that matter but I don't own any of his singles, did he do any?

and why doesn't she do any (like prince)? most artists have some and seeing as she's released more singles than most it's disappointing if she doesn't have at least a few.
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Reply #1 posted 10/04/04 7:24pm

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no. maybe one. maybe.

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Reply #2 posted 10/04/04 7:39pm

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Has to Be... great B-side of Ray of Light
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Reply #3 posted 10/05/04 12:54am

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Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.

"Supernatural" (B-side of "Cherish" single),1988

"The Beast Within" (appears on the "Justify My Love" maxi-single),1990

"Up Down Suite" (B-side of "Rain" single),1993

"Let Down Your Guard" (B-side to the U.K. single of "Secret" in 1994.Excellent song!)

"Has To Be" (B-side of the "Ray Of Light" single) 1998

"Cyberraga" (B-side of "Music" single) 2000


There are also a number of songs that appeared only on movie soundtracks or charity albums (such as her version of "Santa Baby" and a song called "Freedom").Hopefully,one day there will be a massive,multi-disc Madonna box set that includes,in addition to all the hits,many of these rare tracks.
[Edited 10/5/04 2:39am]
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DavidEye said:

Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.

"Supernatural" (B-side of "Cherish" single),1988

"The Beast Within" (appears on the "Justify My Love" maxi-single),1990

"Up Down Suite" (B-side of "Rain" single),1993

"Let Down Your Guard" (B-side to the U.K. single of "Secret" in 1994.Excellent song!)

"Has To Be" (B-side of the "Ray Of Light" single) 1998

"Cyberraga" (B-side of "Music" single) 2000


There are also a number of songs that appeared only on movie soundtracks or charity albums (such as her version of "Santa Baby" and a song called "Freedom").Hopefully,one day there will be a massive,multi-disc Madonna box set that includes,in addition to all the hits,many of these rare tracks.
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Just an FYI: Supernatural can be found on the charity album Red Hot & Dance as well!
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Reply #5 posted 10/05/04 1:41pm

VoicesCarry

DavidEye said:

Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.

"Supernatural" (B-side of "Cherish" single),1988

"The Beast Within" (appears on the "Justify My Love" maxi-single),1990

"Up Down Suite" (B-side of "Rain" single),1993

"Let Down Your Guard" (B-side to the U.K. single of "Secret" in 1994.Excellent song!)

"Has To Be" (B-side of the "Ray Of Light" single) 1998

"Cyberraga" (B-side of "Music" single) 2000


There are also a number of songs that appeared only on movie soundtracks or charity albums (such as her version of "Santa Baby" and a song called "Freedom").Hopefully,one day there will be a massive,multi-disc Madonna box set that includes,in addition to all the hits,many of these rare tracks.
[Edited 10/5/04 2:39am]


The Beast Within is considered a remix of Justify My Love, however - not a B-Side.
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Reply #6 posted 10/05/04 1:44pm

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DavidEye said:

Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.


"Ain't No Big Deal" is also on the True Blue U.S. 12" single. I think it was an outtake from her first album.
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Reply #7 posted 10/05/04 1:48pm

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JediMaster said:

DavidEye said:

Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.

"Supernatural" (B-side of "Cherish" single),1988

"The Beast Within" (appears on the "Justify My Love" maxi-single),1990

"Up Down Suite" (B-side of "Rain" single),1993

"Let Down Your Guard" (B-side to the U.K. single of "Secret" in 1994.Excellent song!)

"Has To Be" (B-side of the "Ray Of Light" single) 1998

"Cyberraga" (B-side of "Music" single) 2000


There are also a number of songs that appeared only on movie soundtracks or charity albums (such as her version of "Santa Baby" and a song called "Freedom").Hopefully,one day there will be a massive,multi-disc Madonna box set that includes,in addition to all the hits,many of these rare tracks.
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Just an FYI: Supernatural can be found on the charity album Red Hot & Dance as well!


That "Supernatural" is a remix, which I didn't prefer but it's up to the listner. The original is one of the most fun pop songs Madonna has ever done while the remix is done by dance hall guys (Sly and Robbie) and isn't as light (or dancable).
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VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:

Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.

"Supernatural" (B-side of "Cherish" single),1988

"The Beast Within" (appears on the "Justify My Love" maxi-single),1990

"Up Down Suite" (B-side of "Rain" single),1993

"Let Down Your Guard" (B-side to the U.K. single of "Secret" in 1994.Excellent song!)

"Has To Be" (B-side of the "Ray Of Light" single) 1998

"Cyberraga" (B-side of "Music" single) 2000


There are also a number of songs that appeared only on movie soundtracks or charity albums (such as her version of "Santa Baby" and a song called "Freedom").Hopefully,one day there will be a massive,multi-disc Madonna box set that includes,in addition to all the hits,many of these rare tracks.
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The Beast Within is considered a remix of Justify My Love, however - not a B-Side.


Yes its a b-side mix of justify my love but on all offical releases and productions since it has just been listed as The Beast Within. So I agree with listing it as a seperate song.
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Reply #9 posted 10/05/04 2:12pm

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Don't forget that Vogue was going to be the b-side for Keep it Together
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Reply #10 posted 10/05/04 2:20pm

RipHer2Shreds

VinnyM27 said:

JediMaster said:



Just an FYI: Supernatural can be found on the charity album Red Hot & Dance as well!


That "Supernatural" is a remix, which I didn't prefer but it's up to the listner. The original is one of the most fun pop songs Madonna has ever done while the remix is done by dance hall guys (Sly and Robbie) and isn't as light (or dancable).

Indeed. The original is much better than that remix. She hasn't had a lot of great B-sides, but my two faves are Supernatural and Let Down Your Guard. That Up Down Suite was sort of a cheat B-side. It was basically a dub of Goodbye to Innocence, which later appeared on a charity album.
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VoicesCarry

ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:



The Beast Within is considered a remix of Justify My Love, however - not a B-Side.


Yes its a b-side mix of justify my love but on all offical releases and productions since it has just been listed as The Beast Within. So I agree with listing it as a seperate song.


Wrong. On the US CD5, it is "Justify My Love (The Beast Within Mix)". We're talking about the original single release (on which it might have been a B-side), not any reissues or compilations released since.
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Reply #12 posted 10/05/04 3:05pm

Clubkid

I love "Let Down Your Guard"

wasn't it only available on the japanese cd single to "Secret"?

There's also a cd called "Pre-Madonna" and it has 2 early versions of "Ain't No Big Deal" as well as early versions of "Burning Up" "Everybody" and my favorite "Crimes Of Passion"
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Reply #13 posted 10/05/04 3:20pm

SassyBritches

i love has to be (which, by the way, was the last track on my version of ray of light) and supernatural. beast within is hot but i need to be in the mood for it...those drums and that beat...its almost hypnotic.
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Reply #14 posted 10/05/04 3:25pm

VoicesCarry

Clubkid said:

I love "Let Down Your Guard"

wasn't it only available on the japanese cd single to "Secret"?

There's also a cd called "Pre-Madonna" and it has 2 early versions of "Ain't No Big Deal" as well as early versions of "Burning Up" "Everybody" and my favorite "Crimes Of Passion"


The Euro singles had it. The Secret - Remixes disc from japan doesn't have it.
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Reply #15 posted 10/05/04 4:06pm

Clubkid

VoicesCarry said:

Clubkid said:

I love "Let Down Your Guard"

wasn't it only available on the japanese cd single to "Secret"?

There's also a cd called "Pre-Madonna" and it has 2 early versions of "Ain't No Big Deal" as well as early versions of "Burning Up" "Everybody" and my favorite "Crimes Of Passion"


The Euro singles had it. The Secret - Remixes disc from japan doesn't have it.
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I have a euro-single of Secret and all it has are remixes.... i feel ripped off....

DAMN YOU MADONNA! lol
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Reply #16 posted 10/05/04 4:12pm

VoicesCarry

Clubkid said:

VoicesCarry said:



The Euro singles had it. The Secret - Remixes disc from japan doesn't have it.
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I have a euro-single of Secret and all it has are remixes.... i feel ripped off....

DAMN YOU MADONNA! lol


Secret had CD 1 and CD 2 releases all across Europe. Pt. 1 had:

1. Secret (Edit) 4.30
2. Let Down Your Guard (Rough Mix Edit) 4.33
3. Secret (Instrumental) 5.04
4. Secret (LP Version) 5.03

CD2 just had 5 versions of Secret, including some Junior Vasquez mixes (does yours have Junior's Soundfactory Dub?).
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Reply #17 posted 10/05/04 4:18pm

Clubkid

VoicesCarry said:

Clubkid said:




I have a euro-single of Secret and all it has are remixes.... i feel ripped off....

DAMN YOU MADONNA! lol


Secret had CD 1 and CD 2 releases all across Europe. Pt. 1 had:

1. Secret (Edit) 4.30
2. Let Down Your Guard (Rough Mix Edit) 4.33
3. Secret (Instrumental) 5.04
4. Secret (LP Version) 5.03

CD2 just had 5 versions of Secret, including some Junior Vasquez mixes (does yours have Junior's Soundfactory Dub?).


I definitely don't have Part 1.... I'll have to look when I get home... I want to say it had between 4 and 5 remixes of the song... i don't recall the single being a "part 2," but I have been wrong before.... A friend of mine had the single with the tracklist you mention above, and I would have sworn it was from Japan.... TO BE CONTINUED....


oh... and thnx for settling a 10 year mystery to me smile
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Reply #18 posted 10/05/04 4:20pm

VoicesCarry

Clubkid said:

VoicesCarry said:



Secret had CD 1 and CD 2 releases all across Europe. Pt. 1 had:

1. Secret (Edit) 4.30
2. Let Down Your Guard (Rough Mix Edit) 4.33
3. Secret (Instrumental) 5.04
4. Secret (LP Version) 5.03

CD2 just had 5 versions of Secret, including some Junior Vasquez mixes (does yours have Junior's Soundfactory Dub?).


I definitely don't have Part 1.... I'll have to look when I get home... I want to say it had between 4 and 5 remixes of the song... i don't recall the single being a "part 2," but I have been wrong before.... A friend of mine had the single with the tracklist you mention above, and I would have sworn it was from Japan.... TO BE CONTINUED....


oh... and thnx for settling a 10 year mystery to me smile


Yeah, they weren't labelled as such. They just get CD1 and CD 2 designations from fans/retailers.
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Reply #19 posted 10/05/04 4:26pm

bds70

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because all the madonna singles I own just offer mostly uninspired edits and remixes.

i don't think I've ever heard a madonna b-side

or michael jackson for that matter but I don't own any of his singles, did he do any?

and why doesn't she do any (like prince)? most artists have some and seeing as she's released more singles than most it's disappointing if she doesn't have at least a few.


I didn't know that Madonna had any good A sides???
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Reply #20 posted 10/05/04 4:29pm

jayaredee

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kinaldo said:

because all the madonna singles I own just offer mostly uninspired edits and remixes.

i don't think I've ever heard a madonna b-side

or michael jackson for that matter but I don't own any of his singles, did he do any?

and why doesn't she do any (like prince)? most artists have some and seeing as she's released more singles than most it's disappointing if she doesn't have at least a few.


I didn't know that Madonna had any good A sides???


Oh geez why can't you Madonna haters go troll somewhere else and let people have their conversations without such bullshit comments
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VoicesCarry said:

ehuffnsd said:



Yes its a b-side mix of justify my love but on all offical releases and productions since it has just been listed as The Beast Within. So I agree with listing it as a seperate song.


Wrong. On the US CD5, it is "Justify My Love (The Beast Within Mix)". We're talking about the original single release (on which it might have been a B-side), not any reissues or compilations released since.
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Back Cover of the Girlie Show
The Beast Within

Inside the Re-Invention TourBook
The Beast Within
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VoicesCarry

ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:



Wrong. On the US CD5, it is "Justify My Love (The Beast Within Mix)". We're talking about the original single release (on which it might have been a B-side), not any reissues or compilations released since.
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Back Cover of the Girlie Show
The Beast Within

Inside the Re-Invention TourBook
The Beast Within


NOT the original single, however.

If it was designated a remix of the A-side on the original single, then it's not a B-side on the original single.
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VoicesCarry said:

ehuffnsd said:




Back Cover of the Girlie Show
The Beast Within

Inside the Re-Invention TourBook
The Beast Within


NOT the original single, however.

If it was designated a remix of the A-side on the original single, then it's not a B-side on the original single.



I'm not saying it is a bside... i'm just agreeing it should be listed as a different song
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ehuffnsd said:

VoicesCarry said:



NOT the original single, however.

If it was designated a remix of the A-side on the original single, then it's not a B-side on the original single.



I'm not saying it is a bside... i'm just agreeing it should be listed as a different song


I think on the tour it was listed that way...just because the setlist named it like that. It is technically a remix of Justify my Love. If there ever is a b-side/rarity compilation however, it should definitely be included.

I think it needs to be examined what is really a b-side. It should be a song that is part of the single (45's - the flip side, CD's - extra tracks). They can't be remixes or extended parts of the songs. They can't be part of a complilation or end up on one. It should really be only available on the single or maxi single.

I can only comment on a few of these...

"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986. - Is from the first album or something...I never considered it a b-side as it later (or was it around the same time) it appeared on the outtake thing that came out.

"Supernatural" (B-side of "Cherish" single),1988 - Coming out before RH&D qualifies this one. SHe just didn't bother giving them anything new (not sure that many did). Putting on a compilation almost disqualifys it as you can get it on something else.

"The Beast Within" (appears on the "Justify My Love" maxi-single),1990 - I don't think this qualifies as stated before.

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DavidEye

Clubkid said:

I love "Let Down Your Guard" Wasn't it only available on the japanese cd single to "Secret"?



That's correct,it only appears on the single of "Secret" that was released outside the US.It's an outtake from the "Bedtime Stories" sessions.I think it should have appeared on the album instead of the uninspired "Don't Stop".
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DavidEye

Clubkid said:

There's also a cd called "Pre-Madonna" and it has 2 early versions of "Ain't No Big Deal" as well as early versions of "Burning Up" "Everybody" and my favorite "Crimes Of Passion"




There are also copies of that CD that are titled "In The Beginning".Same tracks,just a different song sequence.It's an interesting collection of early-80s Madonna demos and early versions of songs that made it onto her debut album.The song "Don't You Know" is simply fantastic,and it rivals MOST of the tracks on her first album!
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Reply #27 posted 10/06/04 2:38am

DavidEye

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"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986. - Is from the first album or something...I never considered it a b-side as it later (or was it around the same time) it appeared on the outtake thing that came out.



"Ain't No Big Deal" has a long history.It was recorded in the early 80s (1981,I think) and it was one of the four songs that appear on the demo tape that got Madonna signed to Sire Records in 1982.It was originally scheduled to appear on her debut album,but it was replaced by "Holiday".It was later given to some band called Barracuda and it was not until 1986 when fans were finally able to hear Madonna's version on the B-side of "Papa Don't Preach".The demo versions of this song surfaced on the 'Pre-Madonna' and 'In The Beginning' CDs that were released in 1997.


Madonna experts...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong,but i think this information is accurate lol
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Reply #28 posted 10/06/04 2:46am

DavidEye

sextonseven said:

DavidEye said:

Unfortunately,Madonna has been really stingy with her unreleased songs and she rarely uses an outtake for a B-side.But there are a few of her singles that feature rare songs that didn't appear on the albums...


"Ain't No Big Deal" (B-side of "Papa Don't Preach" outside of the U.S.),1986.


"Ain't No Big Deal" is also on the True Blue U.S. 12" single. I think it was an outtake from her first album.




That's correct.I really think it should have appeared on her debut album.It could have replaced a song like "I Know It".Likewise,the song "Don't You Know" belongs on the debut album too.
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Reply #29 posted 10/06/04 6:47am

DavidEye

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i love has to be (which, by the way, was the last track on my version of ray of light)



You must have the Japanese version of the 'Ray Of Light' CD which features "Has To Be" as a bonus track? I always get pissed when artists release a non-US version of an album,with additional tracks.This means that real fans have to shell out even more money just to buy an expensive import version.There are versions of the 'Music' CD that feature two songs that don't appear on the US version---"American Pie" and "Cyberragga".But anyway..."Has To Be" is an okay track,but it's not great and I can certainly see why it was left off the album.It's slow and uneventful,and not nearly as strong as the songs that made the album.
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