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Thread started 03/07/02 9:31pm

SquirrelMeat

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Everyone praises SOTT, TRC, Dirty Mind, Purple Rain etc. Stop. Lets celebrate CONTROVERSY!

Oh Yeah! Its funky. It never gets the praise it should!

Controversy - Robotic funk at its best
Sexuality - My Fave, would work on any album today
Do Me Baby - oooooh
Private Joy - Should have been a single
Ronnie - hmm.
Lets Work - Wow!
Annie Christian - Original to say the least.
Jack U off - Prince's best every rockabilly!
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Reply #1 posted 03/07/02 9:37pm

NightGod

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Yes, Controversy still kicks ass today, great songwriting, and a great vibe all the way through. I love how the songs change in mood from one track to the next.
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Reply #2 posted 03/07/02 9:39pm

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My favorite of Prince's earlier work. The full album version of the title track is amazing, same for the long version of "Do Me, Baby." Also, "Sexuality" and "Let's Work" are 2 incredibly funky tracks that don't get nearly enough recognition.
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Reply #3 posted 03/07/02 9:43pm

Handclapsfinga
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controversy is hot as well....except 4 that skankalicious shower poster. it scares me. redface
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Reply #4 posted 03/07/02 9:48pm

Liquid

High,

Eye must say that the Controversy album is one of his best by far. Eye love love love that album!!!


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Reply #5 posted 03/07/02 9:49pm

Liquid

High,

Eye especially loved the poster! That ruled my bedroom wall 4 years!!! Eye just wish he would have been totally nude...

Liquid
[This message was edited Thu Mar 7 13:50:15 PST 2002 by Liquid]
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Reply #6 posted 03/07/02 10:08pm

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What can I say.

Its a CLASSIC.

Ronnie

Lets Work

Annie Christian

Private Joy

I love this album 8) 8) 8)
Some people are like Slinkies...

They're good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
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Reply #7 posted 03/07/02 10:09pm

NPGJughead

CONTROVERSY!!!!

Definitely one to put in the tape playa at night....drivin in da summertime!!!! hell, wintertime 2.....ANYTIME!!!

love dat album....talk about some arousing songs.....and dat night time definitely sets the mood.....just makes ya wish you're gonna find someone who could understand the sensual and sexual depth, like in Prince's music -- and Xperience it like no other.....some of the songs on Controversy definitely bring out the ultimate fantasy/haze i long to Xperience with a woman.....not that anyone cared.....but Prince albums/songs bring it out....and this post is proof that it was brought out of me just now.....am i the only guilty one here??? =)

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Reply #8 posted 03/07/02 10:17pm

Handclapsfinga
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Liquid said:

High,

Eye especially loved the poster! That ruled my bedroom wall 4 years!!! Eye just wish he would have been totally nude...
i have a copy of controversy with the poster included....i cannot hang that up. i scared a friend of mine with it once, tho'. mr.green
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Reply #9 posted 03/07/02 10:18pm

NPGJughead

oh yeah.....and another one that does it for me....
Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66.....cool bossa nova with sensuality and sexuality all over those albums....
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Reply #10 posted 03/07/02 10:26pm

chewymusic

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

....except 4 that skankalicious shower poster. it scares me. redface


lol LOL! my first exposure to Prince was around 1982/83 when I was 10. My parents were best friends with the only African American family in my whole town. They had 9 kids & we used to hang out with them a lot. In each of the Girl's rooms they had the Controversy album cover & poster hanging up. I remember seeing that poster for the first time & thinking that it was a little scarry. smile I also remember thinking something to the effect that i didn't "get it". smile
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Reply #11 posted 03/07/02 10:33pm

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Yes this kicks major ass, my only complaint was that it was way too short! I needed more songs! only 3 on the first side, what's up with that? Funky, rock, political, religious, sex, all on one album! Amazing production as well.
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Reply #12 posted 03/07/02 10:41pm

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to quote Chrissy: it's the shizzle...

* Let's Work *

* Do Me Baby *

* Private Joy *

and I dug the poster... wink
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Reply #13 posted 03/07/02 10:42pm

randomduck

i love controversy!! i found that shower picture scary, along with 'annie christian' and 'ronnie talk 2 russia'. definately prince's scariest album (but scary in a good way smile)
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Reply #14 posted 03/07/02 11:01pm

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Absolute genius to include the Lord's prayer. True genius funk. Probably the best opening line to an album--I just can't believe all the things people say (Controversy) Am I black or White am I straight or gay? Questions people were buggin over (and still are) for years.
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Reply #15 posted 03/07/02 11:25pm

Jarret

I always thought "Jack U Off" was about the catchiest song ever written. At least five times I would play it for a friend who'd never heard it, and promise them they'd be singing it to themselves the next day. ALWAYS worked. Even if they were put off by it initially, that fucker STAYED with them. smile

Plus, it's just about the greatest closer on a Prince album, or at least up there with "Adore" and "Purple Rain".
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Reply #16 posted 03/07/02 11:31pm

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another classic that is!



peace 2 the blondes
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Reply #17 posted 03/07/02 11:56pm

Moonbeam

I adore Controversy as well! Again, every song is incredible! The title track funks like no other, and its message represents what attracted most of us to him in the first place- defying boundaries, remaining ambiguous while ever funking on! Sexuality is a blast too- it's great to sing along to! Do Me, Baby is a sexy cooker- I plan on playing that one on my wedding night! redface Private Joy is sheer ecstasy- it encapsulates a great deal of youthful vigor that is present on many of Prince's early albums. It makes me feel that he was fighting for all the attention/promotion he could get. Listening to live material from the same time, Prince seems desperate for acceptance and I love the energy that comes with it. Ronnie Talk to Russia is a GREAT little rock song. Let's Work is funk at its best. Annie Christian showcases Prince's ability to be singularly unique, and it succeeds! And Jack U Off is great rockabilly! It's a wonderfully fun, classic album, and its charm lies in the fact that he wasn't a superstar yet, meaning that the music stands on its own. biggrin
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Reply #18 posted 03/08/02 3:05am

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Controversy was probably the most important album Prince ever made. Here's why. Prior to Controversy, all of Prince's other three albums at the time (For You, Prince, and Dirty Mind) were all essentially music for the masses - all different forms of pop music, designed mostly to sell records. The unique thing about Prince was that no one else had ever put so many different R&B and Rock sounds together on one album (not to mention that he was a one man band - which very few people realized - most people thought that "Prince" was the name of a band, not one guy). But along comes Controversy, and that's when it really hits that Prince is not just another run of the mill musician trying to be number one on the charts. That's when we get our first glimpse and start to realize that Prince is "special".

The "Our Father's Prayer" right smack in the middle of a funky jam? Who is this guy? Sexuality, let my body be free??? Simulating sounds of sex right up to having an orgasm???!!! Who IS THIS GUY? Socio-political commentary about the President of the United States and his foreign policy, Atlanta child murders, the killing of John Lennon??? WHAT??? Get in the car and jack me off??? HUH?

Ladies and gentleman, if you were fortunate enough to be around when Controvesy hit the streets, you can honestly say that you actually witnessed "the birth of Prince". Controversy was the album that started it all. Controversy set the stage for everything else that followed. It was an extremely bold artistic statement. And oh, by the way... the music also kicked major a$$
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Reply #19 posted 03/08/02 8:03am

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abucah said:

Controversy was probably the most important album Prince ever made. Here's why. Prior to Controversy, all of Prince's other three albums at the time (For You, Prince, and Dirty Mind) were all essentially music for the masses - all different forms of pop music, designed mostly to sell records.



Umm. No. Dirty Mind was everything BUT music for the masses. Dirty Mind was the first Prince album where he put a distinctive, cohesive, explicit spin on what he had been doing before. It sounded nothing like the first two albums (or anything else), and brought his philosphy of the Rude Boy persona, explicit sexuality, funk/rock/punk/new wave and a devil-may-care attitude to the forefront. There is nothing that accessible in terms of radio-friendly music on it, and it was basically raw demo work. This is where Prince first found his own distinctive voice and seperated himself from everyone else. It set the tone for his entire career, because he always went back to those themes in some way or another. It changed the rules.

The "Our Father's Prayer" right smack in the middle of a funky jam?



That's The Lord's Prayer.
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Reply #20 posted 03/08/02 11:19am

Moonbeam

Supernova- I would agree about "Dirty Mind". It isn't overtly commercial at all. "Controversy" sold far better anyway! I also agree with you about the attitude behind "Dirty Mind". Prince himself has admitted that "Prince" was an attempt to make it big, but "Dirty Mind" is about as divorced from the mainstream as is possible, and that is why it stands out today as a classic album. I admit that I like "Controversy" better, but it was on "Dirty Mind" that he really came into his own as a serious artist with motives that transcended fame and money.
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Reply #21 posted 03/08/02 11:25am

Christopher

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Controversy is cool "Private joy"-innocent song by a then Innocent prince...
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Reply #22 posted 03/08/02 1:32pm

Brother915

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!!Controversy--- the title song is one of the great classic P singles. This one should have been a top 10 pop hit fo LIL MAN. During this time, P was having a hard time getting that mainstream breakthrough. This was also around the time frame that he got booo off the stage opening for the Stones.

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Reply #23 posted 03/08/02 3:42pm

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"Private Joy" is one of my favorites.

The whole album is wonderful.
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Reply #24 posted 03/08/02 3:58pm

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Politically and socially naive? Maybe. But this album represented Prince's manifesto, so to speak. We witnessed the distillation of his total genius. The title track still gives me goosebumps.
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Reply #25 posted 03/08/02 4:09pm

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Controversy is a fantastic album. It was one that I went back and picked up a few years later after the addiction kicked in. I remember wondering how I could have missed it the first time around. The opening cuts make for a terrific 1-2 punch that gets the album racing out of the gates and it never flags from there. Also, this is the album that produced his first undeniably classic loverman ballad, Do Me, Baby!!! To my ears, this is also were his "sound" really comes into focus. Just as Dirty Mind introduced the themes that would come to dominate his work, Controversy features the instruments, voices and production methods Prince would favor for the ensuing decade.

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Reply #26 posted 03/08/02 5:44pm

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This album will always b close 2 my heart. This was the 1st. album that introduced me 2 Prince. I was at my local record store looking 2 buy Zeppelins "houses of the holy". I was 11 years old, and raised on 60's artists, and 70's. The music was cut off in the store, and on came this pounding beat. I was slowly starting 2 nod my head 2 the beat of the song (controversy). I spent the next few minutes listening 2 the next song, and the rest as they say is history. "houses of the holy" was put back until 4 years later.
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Reply #27 posted 03/08/02 5:46pm

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Supernova said:


[quote]Umm. No. Dirty Mind was everything BUT music for the masses. Dirty Mind was the first Prince album where he put a distinctive, cohesive, explicit spin on what he had been doing before. It sounded nothing like the first two albums (or anything else), and brought his philosphy of the Rude Boy persona, explicit sexuality, funk/rock/punk/new wave and a devil-may-care attitude to the forefront. There is nothing that accessible in terms of radio-friendly music on it, and it was basically raw demo work. This is where Prince first found his own distinctive voice and seperated himself from everyone else. It set the tone for his entire career, because he always went back to those themes in some way or another. It changed the rules.


To a certain extent, I agree with you. The Rude Boy persona did emerge with Dirty Mind. But a lot of that had to do with his stage presence. But as far as the music is concerned, some if not most of the songs on that album were actually written BEFORE the Prince album. A lot of Dirty Mind was in fact "demos" that he had worked on in years prior that he just polished off. So I don't think it's totally accurate to say that's where he discovered his distinctive voice. But I do think Dirty Mind is where Prince decided to share more of what he was capable of doing with the world. I vaguely recall him saying something in an interview around that time that he really didn't like the Prince album, because he knew that most of the songs were designed/created just to be a hit (so in that regard, I agree with you). But strictly from the standpoint of just music, Dirty Mind sounds a lot like a kid just having fun. The Dirty Mind album may not have sold a lot of records, but at the time it was mostly considered a Pop/Rock album and because music was so segregated at the time, that meant it had an audience in the White community (which I think was less familiar with Prince than the Black community at the time) But in the R&B/Black community (with the exception of Uptown) most of that album went completely unnoticed. Commercially, it may not have sold a lot because no one quite knew how to make "Prince" fit into their radio formats (i.e a black man singing mostly rock/punk sounds). But artistically, there really wasn't any kind of bold artistic statements being made - aside from the Rude Boy stage presence.

By contrast though, Controversy was all over the map. And it probably sold more records at the time because it had more sounds on it that could fit into the R&B format, and since the R&B/Black community was already very familiar with Prince, he was a welcomed return. But I don't get the impression that Prince's sole intent with that album was to sell records, it just so happened that what he was doing caught on at the time. But the whole Controversy album was about making a statement, not just having fun, and that is what sets it apart from any of his previous albums, including Dirty Mind, and that is why I believe it is where we first start to see that Prince is really someone special.


The "Our Father's Prayer" right smack in the middle of a funky jam?



That's The Lord's Prayer.


Thanks for the correction. But I think you knew what I meant.
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Reply #28 posted 03/08/02 6:05pm

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No, I will have to beg to differ there. If we are talking artistic statements, then Dirty Mind was without a shadow of a purple haze the 'birth' of Prince 'ladies & gentlemen' Melodrama aside though, it is all there. Everything that came to be known as quintessentially Prince stemmed from that album. Controversy has some amazing songs on it, but it isn't as cohesive a statement as Dirty Mind. As most researchers have already stated, Dirty Mind was the most important album of his early career (and concurrently of his whole career), in that it took him out of the cute R&B kid territory he had previously inhabited. Look it this way. Dirty Mind was a shock after the first two lps, whereas Controversy was an easy next step after DM. Like ATWIAD after it, the album was a statement, a raised middle finger, if you will, to the expectations his previous work had fuelled.
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acucah said:


Umm. No. Dirty Mind was everything BUT music for the masses. Dirty Mind was the first Prince album where he put a distinctive, cohesive, explicit spin on what he had been doing before. It sounded nothing like the first two albums (or anything else), and brought his philosphy of the Rude Boy persona, explicit sexuality, funk/rock/punk/new wave and a devil-may-care attitude to the forefront. There is nothing that accessible in terms of radio-friendly music on it, and it was basically raw demo work. This is where Prince first found his own distinctive voice and seperated himself from everyone else. It set the tone for his entire career, because he always went back to those themes in some way or another. It changed the rules.


To a certain extent, I agree with you. The Rude Boy persona did emerge with Dirty Mind. But a lot of that had to do with his stage presence. But as far as the music is concerned, some if not most of the songs on that album were actually written BEFORE the Prince album. A lot of Dirty Mind was in fact "demos" that he had worked on in years prior that he just polished off. So I don't think it's totally accurate to say that's where he discovered his distinctive voice.



Sure it is. Just because he may have written those songs the year before doesn't mean he never made any changes to the arrangements and tweaked some things later on before he released it. It happens all the time in the production process. Yes, even though it was still largely demos.


But artistically, there really wasn't any kind of bold artistic statements being made - aside from the Rude Boy stage presence.


Quite the contrary. Whether it was an artistic statement or not doesn't always have anything to do with the lyrical content. And quite frankly, it WAS a bold statement to explicitly spell out (which is exactly what he did) the things he was singing about. Raw sex. He had never done that before, and it had never been done before (at least on a mainstream relese). Now it may seem tame by today's standards. Lyrics aside: musically there was nothing remotely like it, even if people don't dig it. That in itself is an artistic statement.

The "Our Father's Prayer" right smack in the middle of a funky jam?


That's The Lord's Prayer.


Thanks for the correction. But I think you knew what I meant.


I didn't say I didn't know what you meant, I just corrected the title.
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