1.BEASTIE BOYS|TO THE 5 BOROUGHS 360310
2.USHER|CONFESSIONS 168845
3.VELVET REVOLVER|CONTRABAND 122705
4.WILSON*GRETCHEN|HERE FOR THE P 104732
5.LAVIGNE*AVRIL|UNDER MY SKIN 92324
6.PRINCE|MUSICOLOGY 81261
7.HOOBASTANK|THE REASON 72146
8.D-12|D12 WORLD 66647
9.LOS LONELY BOYS|LOS LONELY BOY 61183
10.DION*CELINE|NEW DAY...LIVE IN 57653


Musicology 9 week total- 952,921




http://www.billboard.com/...1000549543

newpower99 said:

Kewl.

It's getting ridiculous when the give-aways are taking it from the low 40's to number 6. 75 percent or more of the total this week were given away to people who primarily already owned it.

lovemachine said:

Get a grip on reality. By any means neccessary, this album is a hit. We should be celebrating not complaing about this success and with the video to Call My Name out and hopefully showing on other stations, the retail should pick up as well. Let's celebrate!

Weird. WHen there is an almost 2 week period in early July with no concerts it is gonna divebomb and then come right back up again.

lovemachine said:

Who cares? It's just a fantastic marketing move because his album stays in the top ten which means it stays in the racks so the casual buyer is more inclined to see it and decide to buy it.

For once Prince's strategy has worked and we should be lauding him for it.

jaypotton said:

Exactly. This is why the retail sales aren't in the toilet (beside the fact that it's a good record). Since people pay so much attention to chart positions these days, being in the top 10 is promotion in itself.

lovemachine said:

I'm sure you didn't decline the cds when you went to the show last week.

psykosoul said:

The only downside i can see with this is when the tour is over Stateside i bet Musicology will be the fastest and biggest dropper in Billboards entire history.

psykosoul said:

No, but when I saw how the supposed cd was packaged I realized that I was definately right in my opinion that it should not count. It's not even close to the real thing.

It is not an actual hit, it is a fraudulant hit. Prince is cheating.

Marrk said:

By that time, it should be double platinum, which in my mind would make Musicology a success. Also "Call My Name" is more radio friendly than "Musicology" and should reap bigger rewards at Retail than "Musicology".

lovemachine said:

Anyway you look at it, the price of that "supposed" cd was factored into the ticket price. Technically it's a sale whether you wanted the multiple copies or not. Unless you demanded that the cost of the "unwanted" cd be removed from your total concert expense or you declined the cds at the door, there's no point in making it known on every single thread about sales figures being "tainted". You contributed to it either way.

Marrk said:

Umm..I think NPS, Rave and TRC have those locked spots locked up already.

psykosoul said:

There is no proof that the cd was factored into the price other then Prince saying so. It's not like the concerts are now above market value or anything. It's also not like there was originally one price for the concerts and then Prince decided to include the cd's so we were told that the tickets would be going up.

My point has been made by Soundscan saying it was a big mistake and was not fair.

Also, I will keep bringing it up in EVERY thread I come upon if nothing else to bother you.

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[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 14:17:58 2004 by lovemachine]

>>My point has been made by Soundscan saying it was a big mistake and was not fair. <<<

I dont recall them offically saying that . They have just tweeked their policy a bit , forcing the artist to give the concert goer a choice of a more expensive ticket price with an album or a cheeper ticket without.

They did what they had to do put the final choice in the hands of the consumer. But nobody put a gun to the heads (as far as i know) of the policy makers at Soundscan and Billboard to let all the Musicology albums count. I give Prince all the props in the world for pulling this off.

Regardless , this album should sell about a million retail when all is said and done. Not bad.

lovemachine said:

...realized that I was right in my opinion that...and then stop.

what makes you right in your opinion? I think it was the opinion of Soundscan, last i heard, that said it DOES count. And when does packaging = the real thing...it's the music, not the package.

newpower99 said:

You really think it has another 400,000 in it? It better get a radio hit soon.

Also, why do you think they changed the policy then?

2freaky4church1 said:

No..simply exposing the system for what it is. He found a loophole and used it to his advantage. It's no different than Payola or American Idol...or any of the other stupid ways that bad music gets in front of millions.

The dang thing is about to go Platinum and all people round here can do is put that down.

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psykosoul said:

something to look forward too.

lovemachine said:

Well, tons of shit in life isn't fair... especially for the flagship artists in the music industry. If it makes you lose sleep at night that Prince outsmarted the system then that's a personal issue for you. Like I said, for someone who feels so strongly against the tactic Prince is using to stay in the top 10, it didn't seem to concern you the night you got "pimped out" and took the cds at the door. That's MY point. It really doesn't matter how many times you bring it up. You're just applying a double-standard that is just as unfair. It's like saying crack is a horrible drug. But, I'm gonna look the other way and take some because they're giving it away free tonight.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 14:45:40 2004 by psykosoul]

psykosoul said:

I went to the concert and had a great time and we both received cd's which will probably never be opened and may even be thrown away eventually. We both ALREADY owned the cd so it's just useless junk the same as a toy in a cereal box.

lovemachine said:

You could give them away. You make it sound like the new CD is crap and unlistenable. I think part of the point Prince is trying to make is he wants as many people who heard Purple Rain to hear this one. I am sure he figured that some would end up with multiple copies.

Instead of complaining about the multiple copies, give it to someone who can't go to the concert or may not have that much money for a CD. I am sure you can find a friend or coworker who loves Prince and would love to take you unwanted copy.

lovemachine said:

You're still missing my point, so I'll say this and leave it alone. Whatever you decided to do with the extra cds is your business. My point is that if you have such an issue with the "giveaways" not reflecting the "true" sales of the album, then would have either declined the giveaway at the door or you wouldn't have bought a retail version. Yeah, that may sound silly to not accept the giveaway, but if you felt that strongly about the injustice of the sales tactic, you wouldn't have accepted. Otherwise, it just seems like an opportunity to voice an opinion which you don't believe in... In other words... "talk shit"...
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 14:56:04 2004 by psykosoul]

psykosoul said:

You realize by me actually taking the cd he didn't receive credit for the sale it was when I bought the ticket? So he is getting credit for the radio station freebie tickets as well. It's the attendance of the show that Soundscan is using.

psykosoul said:

You know, some people are treating this like Musicology is the first album in history in which people bought more than one copy of. Do some of people truly think that 13 million different people bought Purple Rain, or 15 million different people bought Born In The U.S.A., and no one bought an extra copy of an album before?

lovemachine said:

Either way, you didn't take the stand, radicalman.

Avenger said:

Exactly!!! There was a time everyone in my house (as a kid) had to have their own separate copies of an album. We had 4 record players and 3 copies of Thriller, 5 of Purple Rain, 2 Fat Boys LPs etc. Nobody was sharing back then. It's definitely a possiblity.

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You know, some people are treating this like Musicology is the first album in history in which people bought more than one copy of. Do some of people truly think that 13 million different people bought Purple Rain, or 15 million different people bought Born In The U.S.A., and no one bought an extra copy of an album before?[/quote]


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