meltwithu said:

So why couldn't Prince have an artistic video without all that?

lmas said:

Niiiiice...

Prince isn't creative in the Video department
sadly if you want a hit single a Hott video will always help
like i Mentioned You Rock My World
That Song was Trash but the video helped sell the album
if Michael kept making videos and didn't have disputes with matolla
Invincible Probably would of sold more than 5 million
Blame Michael for all this video shyt, its mostly his fawkin fault
but think about it
do any of yall remember the Rag tag 25 dollar videos in the early 80's lol
i just saw Call My Name reminds me of them lol
this Video Makes Betcha By Golly Wow LOOK FANTASTIC lol
this video is corny...
Prince c'mon man get Speilberg on it or somethin

Spending a million (or more) on a video has always been one of the most idiotic things about the music industry. I give MJ his props for being innovative at the time but it's a concept that has ruined the music video experience for me. What good is your music video if all I get is a blitz of lip-synching, special effects, dance numbers and no musical performance? Why would I pay for concert tickets to see the exact same thing?

theblueangel said:

Cute, isn't it?

psykosoul said:

The purpose of music videos is to sell albums. The better the video, the more people pay attention to the artist and the song. Great videos can be played for decades, thereby helping sell records for a long time. Garbage videos go in the trash after a few weeks. It's not rocket science.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Well people wonder why music has gone to shit. It largely in part because of the music video. When music videos were about performance, it was easier to distinguish talent. And what's dissappointing is that great videos aren't played for decades, that's what VH-1 Classic is for. Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer was probably the best video of the 80s, but the "So" album is not burning up Billboard's Catalog Album charts. I'm not disputing that the music video is an effective vehicle for airplay, etc. But every artist doesn't have to go "Hollywood" to make a music video and pretend it's "art". There are some great videos that go in the trash simply because the artist' label doesn't want to pay the money it takes to keep the video in rotation.

I still haven't managed to see this video.

EvilWhiteMale said:

So sad that someone else's good fortune is such a deeply offensive thing to you. Prince's undeniable success in 2004 has been everything you seem to, for some twisted logic, resent...

On behalf of people who are able to actually enjoy albums and tours as, dare we say it, "fun?" (see Webster's Dictionary for this one). and those don't feel as though they are always in the mode of critic or "quality policeman", and those who can actually appreciate the experience of this year in shades of gray, we send you a "virtual hug".

It's clear that the effort to continue "negative for negativity's sake" posts have become more forced and boring than any Kirky J loop ever was, and keeping up the contrarian facade is tougher and tougher these days(Perhaps a new writer to freshen things up?). But we feel for you brother, cause we know how hard this all is for you.

Keep up the "bad" work if you must... Things may swing your way eventually. If not, all you've done is thrown hours and hours into something that you seem to see no value or take no joy in... Shame, pity, sad really (tear)...

We love you, our angry friend, and we want to help you, so you too can get back on the two and four, and shake what God gave you again. It will feel good, we promise, so "Call Our Name"...

With love,
Your Concerned Brothers and Sisters

P.S. Slipknot is havin' a HUGE year, eh? Must be their fantastic album and quality videos...

psykosoul said:

jpav said:

Well if my posts depress you so much, then scroll past them next time. That way you don't have to waste your time on such pathetic responses to my posts.

And just so you know, Slipknot happens to be doing quite well for a metal band. The radio had them as #1 for a few weeks and their tours are selling out. So your point was what exactly?

Whether we like it or not
VIDEO SELLS ALBUMS!
and some of yall or right
Why need a video if your song is hott by itself?
tacky special effects are getting monotonous
but there are still some artist
that keep me guessing with music videos
But IF P wants to sell Some Records
He is going to need at least One FLY Video,
For an artist of prince stature a Good video can bring up at least an extra 2 to 3 million dollars in album sales
I mean IF P can go to the extremes of Performing with a POP Tart like Beyonce
Why can't he give us a Decent video?

EvilWhiteMale said:

Videos used to be promotional tools to spread word of mouth about an artist, not an album. Whether you are starting in the industry or a veteran it's still stupid to spend millions of dollars on a video. If I wanted a story and visuals, I'd either go to a movie or read a children's book. Videos are a part of the poison of the industry. Personally, I would prefer a performance. That would justify spending $16.98 (retail) for a music CD, rather than the fact that a video has a great story and special effects.

Unlike my collegue above me
i like Short Films As videos
and believe it or not there are alot more like me
think about
Do you think Michael Jackson is a better artist compared to prince?
HELL FAWKIN NO
But why is MJ such a BIG GIANT? VIDEOS, he has an eye for them

I don't like these videos they have out now cause well... i Don't like the songs
i think the last video i liked was by The Isley Bros "Contagious"
Cinemetography was Perfection,
But i do agree Videos are unfair to musicians and other artist
But who are we to exempt those who have the Eye to combine Cinema and Music
I've seen some Beautiful Music Videos in my day, U2, Beautiful day, Aerosmith, Jaded,The Police , wrapped around your finger, Sting, fields of Gold,MJ , Earth Song , Madonna, Like a Prayer
i mean these arent the tacky videos we see on MTV
THIS IS ART
just because YOUR artist is not fond of of big budget videos, doesn't mean all Videos are full of Special Effects
It all depends on the artist,
I DIg P likes to have his Performance Videos thats all fine and dandy
But C'mon he's not that exciting to see without a guitar in hand or without seeing him shake his azz
its dull
Call My Name was dull to the EXTREME!
Face the facts
Stop kissing his azz!

psykosoul said:

The majority of music buyers are between the ages of 16-35. They like music videos.

and if we're gonna talk about Beautiful Videos
i have to pay tribute to MJ again
i aint talkin bout thirller or beat it,
Stranger In Moscow
was pure genuis
You can't Deny that video its props,
that was an Absolutely Gorgeous Video!

theblueangel said:

I was joking.. EWM is the ANTAGONIST of the org. He is needed. just like his alter ego Bart was a one point back in the day...He makes the place that much more attractive to come to.

As for the video; I saw it and think it was very "Princely" He has very seldom done very theatrical videos (cept the entire Graffiti Bridge movie & D&P era videos) In fact one of his most ambituous was "Mountains" and that was just him and the Revolution performing on a cloud. and yea I said the entire GB movie was one long video, a bad one at that.

Luv4oneanotha said:

I'm not kissing Prince's ass. The Call My Name video isn't spectacular. But I'd rather see him on stage than chasing after Chris Tucker, Marlon Brando and a dance troupe in a 15 minute clip for a sorry ass song. You like cinematography? That's great. Incorporate a few elements into a video without making it a "movie" production. If singing and dancing is your talent, then do that in your video by your damn self without the help of a cast. Prove your "art" in your video. But there are awards shows for music videos now. The message that is conveyed is "fuck talent, make your video look enough like a movie and you can be a star too"

EvilWhiteMale said:

If children like poison. That's great. But being on the latter end of that age range, I'd feel pretty duped if 46 year old Prince presented a video (or music for that matter) that catered to a 16-year-old. For example, Luv4oneanotha mentioned The Isley Bros "Contagious" video. As entertaining as he may find that video, it sickens the hell outta me than Ronald Isley, the same man who wrote classics like That Lady and Voyage to Atantis is wrapped up in fur coats, blinged out and singing about nobody calling him but his "homies and some bill collectors"... at the ripe age of 63. A 16-year-old who doesn't know his musical history, wouldn't know how ignorant it is because that's all he/she is being exposed to.
[This message was edited Sun Jun 27 19:26:04 2004 by psykosoul]

see what you don't understand is making the videos takes an awful amount of creativity and time
im not talking about these rappers that higher a director to do all the shyt for them
Some REAL artist take the time and the money to put forth a a Video thats Pure Artistry
I know this I was in a Video Making Process when i use to be into film
Some of these artist COME up with the whole concept for the video themselves
write the scripts ,Imagine the visuals
if that isn't talent i don't know what is!
Its EXTREMELY Hard to come up with a decent video

I understand you like performances
Prince is a helluva Performer, One nite alone, despite the dull camera Work was FAR better then Rave
but Prince needs to incorporate some style into these performances,
this is 2004 and like Evil said, Majority of record buyers Like Music Videos
and if Prince is serious about spreading his music to the youngsters, he needs to wake up and cut the crappy videos

Videos are not Destroying the Music Industry
whats destroying the industry is Artist and businessmen that only care about money and getting Bling Bling, instead of making honest Good Music
whats destroying the industryis an album with 3 good singles and the rest full of fuller material\
thats whats destroying the industry
Whats destroying the indusrty is EXECS Using then throwing away talent
the ole mighty Dollar bill is destroying the industry
not music videos...

psykosoul said:

i could careless about your petty fights with the industry because i have my own as well, it was a good song it was a good video
yah he's done better
but Stop being such a critic, iif you didnt enjoy it, Move on
Im a Musician/Artist/dancer etc myself
and Critics frankly Don't know SHYT
they only take you down
What you just said about Ronald
Evil has been saying about prince my entire span at the Org
I respect what Evil Says
cause even though we don't want to believe it,
He HAS A POINT!
[This message was edited Sun Jun 27 19:43:13 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]

Luv4oneanotha said:

ummm.... okay

EvilWhiteMale said:

Ahh the disgruntled tones of a tired contrarian...Hmm, interesting the word "pathetic" used by someone who spends hours upon hours in a place devoted to an artist he clearly seems disgusted by, and whose total dismissal of product and performances for the past 10 years is fairly well-documented.. Pathetic indeed!

Slipknot?...Just wanted to make sure we had a reminder and reference point for your current definition of "quality music"... It's quite revealing...

But I guess everyone's wrong, and Musicology really actually sucks and the tour is really lousy, blah, blah, blah. I guess maybe you're right and Prince is actually not that great, and maybe Slipknot are actually musical geniouses who will one day be much more than an insignificant footnote in the history of music... I won't hold my breath though...

Didn't the Osmonds have outfits like that?

AsianBomb777 said:

Maybe the Osmonds did have outfits like that, but Prince looks better in them.

in pic 3 and 4 ?
is that candy?
shes looking kind of thick lately

Nice Pics. Thanks 4 sharing!

Though I've not seen the actual video yet, I agree with Evil White Male on this one. It really does appear to be the same video as, well..several other Prince videos.
There's the 'prayer' like hands, the 'reaching-out-to-you' look, the 'arabian pajama' wardrobe. As a matter of fact; it looks like an updated version of the suit he wore in "TMBGITW" video. Granted; he does look good. And I look forward to seeing this video. Maybe there's more to it than what these pictures convey.
But if in fact it's another "performance video"...then what's the point? It sort of goes back to the whole 'it's about the music' thing. If so, then why make a music video? Should it not be as stimulating (visually), exciting, and moving as the music? eMpTyV along with the other non-video music stations, most likely won't play this. VH1 maybe. So there is no need to spend a million pounds on a video. True. However, you also don't need to spend that much to make an interesting one. I'm just tired of artists who claim to only be about the MUSIC and then turn around and make a music video.

40+ year olds that make good music videos; MADONNA, Michael Jackson, George Michael, Tina Turner, Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, Cyndi Lauper, Björk (I think she's that age. ) And all of them have their share of performance type or simplistic videos. (i.e. "Live To Tell" , "Kissing A Fool", "You Are Not Alone"...)And they are refreshing to watch as well. (ok. maybe not Michael Jackson's ) But it just seems like that's all Prince wants to do. Perhaps the excitement is just to see Prince back on t.v.

To each their own.


and there's no need to get nasty! just opinions here people.



BOLD edit!
[This message was edited Mon Jun 28 2:54:34 2004 by Chico1]

ELVIS ?

psykosoul said:

We're talking about business though. Besides, Prince said he wanted people to bring their kids to the shows. So obviously he cares what kids think.