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Reply #60 posted 06/24/04 8:53am

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OdysseyMiles said:

Cloudbuster said:



lol Nope! I wouldn't care who the artist is. It's still cheating.


If it were cheating, I doubt if Soundscan would have accepted it. They could find no reason not to count the concert cds as sales. Sounds like you're stuck on tradition. Much like my friend here:






razz


lol Nice pic!

Well, Soundscan did accept but since realised their error as they have said that artists who wish to follow suit will have to include tickets both with and without an album. Then we'll see how successful it is. razz
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Reply #61 posted 06/24/04 9:09am

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lol Nice pic!

Well, Soundscan did accept but since realised their error as they have said that artists who wish to follow suit will have to include tickets both with and without an album. Then we'll see how successful it is. razz


Sounds like you would take pleasure in its demise. Did you want it to fail?
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Reply #62 posted 06/24/04 9:19am

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OdysseyMiles said:

Sounds like you would take pleasure in its demise. Did you want it to fail?


Of course not. But the nature of its success in the US is dubious to say the least. It ain't selling too well anywhere else in the world. It fell off the UK chart after just six weeks and has slipped down pretty much every other chart, too. I think that says a lot.
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Reply #63 posted 06/24/04 10:44am

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lovemachine said:

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exactly..how about when people bought Purple Rain on Vinyl when it came out then bought the album on cassette for their car and then wanted it on cd? so with lovemachines theory all that shouldnt count? lol



Completely different. How many people went to the simulcast and then had to buy the cd becasue the give-away wasn't really the cd?... and then Prince came through their town playing multiple (5 or 6 shows in some areas) where both they and their wife received free copies each time they attended meaning that they now owned 12-15 copies of the same cd in the same format. Get real if you think it's the same thing.


The Give away wasn't the CD? Why do you keep saying this? It sounded the same to me. WHat xactly did we get then? a PIECE OF UNPLAYABLE CARDBOARD? No one had to buy the CD. I know many that are CONTENT with the free one. I bought one so I can have a copy for home and actually to support Prince. It was nice to get the packaging, but it's the music that counts.

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Reply #64 posted 06/24/04 10:48am

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Cloudbuster said:

shygirl said:

Someone may have already mentioned this. I didn't read all the posts, but if the retail sales were like around 20,000 and concert cds added another 60,000, forget the cd sales for a moment. Over 60,000 people witnessed Prince live last week, or the week before. To me, that's phenomenal.
We should be celebrating the fact that 2004 is the year Prince fans have been waiting for. A tour that's blowing everyone away, a great CD, entry into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, long overdue praise from just about everywhere, and most importantly, a musician who seems to be just hitting his stride at the tender young age of 46.
In a way, the concert cds are a slap in the face to the music industry and mainstream radio, cause hardly anyone thought he'd sell enough tickets on the tour to keep Musicology in the top 10 or 20 for this long.
So for those who want to continue to bitch and moan about how Prince is cheating and blah, blah, blah, knock yourselves out.
I've got some dancing to do. lol

dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig


But if it was Madonna or MJ who had pulled this stunt you'd be saying what a scam it is. But as it's precious little Prince then it's a work of genius. rolleyes


We wouldn't say that much...more so that "Prince should have done it". I don't think anyone would even care, as it would have NOTHING to do with Prince and hence would not get discussed here.

It is a work of genius. Glad it took one to find it.

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Reply #65 posted 06/24/04 10:51am

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JediMaster said:

Cloudbuster said:



But if it was Madonna or MJ who had pulled this stunt you'd be saying what a scam it is. But as it's precious little Prince then it's a work of genius. rolleyes


Well, if it had been Madonna, I would have applauded her for YET ANOTHER brilliant marketing move. If it had been MJ, I would have assumed it was one of his managers who came up with it. The fact that its Prince is amazing, since its the smartest business decision he's made in about 15 years! I mean, this is the guy who has fairly consistently made bad moves with his business for a truly long time. Call it "cheating", call it a ruse, but the goal is to get the music into the hands of the audience, and he's succeeded.


I could not have said it better myself. The best business decision he has made in 15 years. I am shocked that it WASN'T Madonna who thought of it first.

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Reply #66 posted 06/24/04 11:56am

OdysseyMiles

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OdysseyMiles said:

Sounds like you would take pleasure in its demise. Did you want it to fail?


Of course not. But the nature of its success in the US is dubious to say the least. It ain't selling too well anywhere else in the world. It fell off the UK chart after just six weeks and has slipped down pretty much every other chart, too. I think that says a lot.


I think the promotion has been primarily targeted at the U.S. so far. When he comes overseas and commences to "whoopin' y'all's tail" onstage, things will pick up. Besides, I don't think the UK charts really matter at this point. So far, the album has accomplished more than anyone thought it would.
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Reply #67 posted 06/24/04 7:01pm

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Again 4 the last damn time! It's obvious that in the beginning Soundscan(not Prince) said that it was cool 2 count the cd's. Then the outcry came from the Big PIMP(Gangsta) company's that actually have a chokehold on the industry from Radio to MTV/BET and made soundscan modify the Concert CD situation 4 the future. If it was wrong 2 begin with Soundscan would have never counted the CD's. The so called loophole is there 4 a reason. They just did'nt think that some1 would find the damn loophole. P did'nt create the loophole he just exposed it and used it 2 his advantage b4 they did and that's whats got they asses cryin! He was supposed 2b this eccentric weirdo with no brains. Now behold.....who's Pimpin who? It would have been just fine if it was 1 of the artist that they was Pimpin! Wake up and see whats really goin on! P has been tryin 2 tell y'all stupid MF's about this shzzzt ever since he put Slave on his face and changed his name 2 0(+>! The Exodus has Begun MF's he done told u that school's in so pay a damn attention!
I think i already covered this shit!
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Reply #68 posted 06/25/04 5:28am

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superspaceboy said:

2freaky4church1 said:

It is not an actual hit, it is a fraudulant hit. Prince is cheating.


No..simply exposing the system for what it is. He found a loophole and used it to his advantage. It's no different than Payola or American Idol...or any of the other stupid ways that bad music gets in front of millions.

The dang thing is about to go Platinum and all people round here can do is put that down.

- I used to think Prince was cheating. I explained it before. Prince always was a success live. If he did the same thing with Emancipation and NPS, they would have the same success. He was number 7 top ticket seller in 97.
But when I think that record companies pay millions to the radios to play their artists non-stop, I realize it´s cheating the same way.
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Reply #69 posted 06/25/04 6:01am

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superspaceboy said:

Cloudbuster said:

But if it was Madonna or MJ who had pulled this stunt you'd be saying what a scam it is. But as it's precious little Prince then it's a work of genius. rolleyes


We wouldn't say that much...more so that "Prince should have done it". I don't think anyone would even care, as it would have NOTHING to do with Prince and hence would not get discussed here.


You must live in a cave. wink
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Reply #70 posted 06/25/04 9:22am

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shygirl said:

Someone may have already mentioned this. I didn't read all the posts, but if the retail sales were like around 20,000 and concert cds added another 60,000, forget the cd sales for a moment. Over 60,000 people witnessed Prince live last week, or the week before. To me, that's phenomenal.
We should be celebrating the fact that 2004 is the year Prince fans have been waiting for. A tour that's blowing everyone away, a great CD, entry into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, long overdue praise from just about everywhere, and most importantly, a musician who seems to be just hitting his stride at the tender young age of 46.
In a way, the concert cds are a slap in the face to the music industry and mainstream radio, cause hardly anyone thought he'd sell enough tickets on the tour to keep Musicology in the top 10 or 20 for this long.
So for those who want to continue to bitch and moan about how Prince is cheating and blah, blah, blah, knock yourselves out.
I've got some dancing to do. lol

dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig


Quote of the week. I'm tired of this debate -- this post keeps things in perspective.
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Reply #71 posted 06/25/04 9:39am

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Aerogram said:

I'm tired of this debate...


You might be but a lot of us aren't. wink

Fair play to him for making the system work in his favour. But a cheat is a cheat. razz
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Reply #72 posted 06/25/04 1:37pm

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GustavoRibas said:

superspaceboy said:



No..simply exposing the system for what it is. He found a loophole and used it to his advantage. It's no different than Payola or American Idol...or any of the other stupid ways that bad music gets in front of millions.

The dang thing is about to go Platinum and all people round here can do is put that down.

- I used to think Prince was cheating. I explained it before. Prince always was a success live. If he did the same thing with Emancipation and NPS, they would have the same success. He was number 7 top ticket seller in 97.
But when I think that record companies pay millions to the radios to play their artists non-stop, I realize it´s cheating the same way.
The whole History of Rock and Roll is damn near fraudulant when u go back 2the beginning where white artist would get Props&Pounds 4 covering a black artist song and get all of the hype and profit the most from it. Getting the push from the mainstream radio and the black artist relgated 2 obscurity except 4 a few. I would call it cheating if P had made or changed the rules or if Billboard/Soundscan had made special concessions 4 P's album,but they did'nt so i am still saying that P did'nt cheat but used another part of the system that benefits the type of Artist that he his, an Internet and touring machine who's new product has been blackballed against in the mainstream 4 the past 8 to 9 years.
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Reply #73 posted 06/25/04 2:42pm

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Completely different. How many people went to the simulcast and then had to buy the cd becasue the give-away wasn't really the cd?... and then Prince came through their town playing multiple (5 or 6 shows in some areas) where both they and their wife received free copies each time they attended meaning that they now owned 12-15 copies of the same cd in the same format.


There are people who have 12-15 copies???

I'm going to start a thread about this right now.
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Reply #74 posted 06/25/04 3:56pm

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I still can't figure out why some are choosing to focus on whether Prince is cheating and not on the numbers of folks that are seeing Prince live. Oh well, in the words of that esteemed sage and philosopher Flavor Flav, "I can't do nothing for ya man". lol
At least someone appreciates my dancing. This one's for you Mazerati. dancing jig
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Reply #75 posted 06/25/04 4:04pm

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And I can think of worse things than owning 12 copies of Musicology. It's not like they're hazardous to your health. Unless someone uses them as a weapon. Hmmm... hmmm
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Reply #76 posted 06/25/04 5:07pm

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I still can't figure out why some are choosing to focus on whether Prince is cheating and not on the numbers of folks that are seeing Prince live. Oh well, in the words of that esteemed sage and philosopher Flavor Flav, "I can't do nothing for ya man". lol
At least someone appreciates my dancing. This one's for you Mazerati. dancing jig

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Reply #77 posted 06/26/04 9:21am

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Question, has anybody heard any singles from the CD played on the radio? And if so with what frequency? I live in a middle sized market and have heard nothing. Also, has anyone known a casual P fan that went out and purchased this CD? My point to these questions is that with the apparent "psuedo" hit CD what songs from it will really be memorable for the masses. I personally enjoy P coming to a "city near you" but if he doesn't have any new songs that the masses want to hear and isn't going to play the hits anymore what are the chances that people who live in middle markets will get concerts anymore? I don't mind traveling to see him but the thought of always having to travel is a pain in the ass.The ONA tour I thought was great but I bet there were a large number of people who left there pissed that more hits weren't played. Now you could say f--- them but we need those casual fans to fill the seats around the auditoriums and if the word gets out that he is only playings songs that only us freaks know then I think there will be a problem.This is just like attending an after show where he plays a bunch of covers or songs that I don't know, it's fun to be there but not as much fun when i know the songs and can sing along.Just some thoughts I wanted to express without being accused of being such the "hater" because I don't go along with everything he does
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Reply #78 posted 06/26/04 4:24pm

ELBOOGY

4everyours said:

Question, has anybody heard any singles from the CD played on the radio? And if so with what frequency? I live in a middle sized market and have heard nothing. Also, has anyone known a casual P fan that went out and purchased this CD? My point to these questions is that with the apparent "psuedo" hit CD what songs from it will really be memorable for the masses. I personally enjoy P coming to a "city near you" but if he doesn't have any new songs that the masses want to hear and isn't going to play the hits anymore what are the chances that people who live in middle markets will get concerts anymore? I don't mind traveling to see him but the thought of always having to travel is a pain in the ass.The ONA tour I thought was great but I bet there were a large number of people who left there pissed that more hits weren't played. Now you could say f--- them but we need those casual fans to fill the seats around the auditoriums and if the word gets out that he is only playings songs that only us freaks know then I think there will be a problem.This is just like attending an after show where he plays a bunch of covers or songs that I don't know, it's fun to be there but not as much fun when i know the songs and can sing along.Just some thoughts I wanted to express without being accused of being such the "hater" because I don't go along with everything he does
That is y P is touring in a big way. I've heard Musicology and Call my Name on radio during the Russ Parr Morning show here in Cincinnati a very poular R&B show across the country. Now i think that P's stradegy is.....last Tour 4 most of his major hits,fans hardcore and casual sellout tour but at the same time gets exposed 2 the new cd Musicology as well as the NPGMC and the unreleased music on downloads. He regains his status as 1of if not the best live perfomers ever therefore setting up the next hyped tour 4whatever P wants 2do. People are not just feeling P bcuz of the Hits or New music but bcuz he's an ICON who still got the skillz 2 talk the talk& walk the walk! A lot of P's recent tours have been in small venues hit&run types so the masses did'nt catch P. But now since the masses are seeing him now they're being blown away which is better than a hit single or album. P is having a rebirth that will continue as long as P wants 2 remain in the public eye 4 the next few years! Oh yeah i know about 6 peeps that went out and coped the cd at Media Play!
[This message was edited Sat Jun 26 16:25:35 2004 by ELBOOGY]
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Reply #79 posted 06/26/04 4:30pm

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Cloudbuster said:

Aerogram said:

I'm tired of this debate...


You might be but a lot of us aren't. wink

Fair play to him for making the system work in his favour. But a cheat is a cheat. razz

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Billboard is counting the CD's as sales Prince can't cheat at the numbers game unless the powers that be let him.

I wish more people would realize that the music industry as been double scanning and using payola to boost record sales for years. It seems it is okay for Corporate America to cheat but not the artist. I feel sorry for anyone that thinks this way.
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Reply #80 posted 06/27/04 1:04pm

ELBOOGY

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Cloudbuster said:



You might be but a lot of us aren't. wink

Fair play to him for making the system work in his favour. But a cheat is a cheat. razz

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Billboard is counting the CD's as sales Prince can't cheat at the numbers game unless the powers that be let him.

I wish more people would realize that the music industry as been double scanning and using payola to boost record sales for years. It seems it is okay for Corporate America to cheat but not the artist. I feel sorry for anyone that thinks this way.
Tell it like it T I is!!!!!
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Reply #81 posted 06/27/04 1:31pm

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shygirl said:

I still can't figure out why some are choosing to focus on whether Prince is cheating and not on the numbers of folks that are seeing Prince live.

Because some people are chronic whiners.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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