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Printable BlaqueKnight said: Universaluv said: Her death was tragic and avoidable. But it has nothing to do with what I said. You brought up the Constitution and the rights of celebrities. I told you what U.S. courts have said on that issue. If you don't like what the courts have said on the issue, then your argument is with them, not with me. 
. [This message was edited Mon Jun 21 8:51:25 2004 by Universaluv] [color=blue:c4f93d75de]I guess no one read my link so here it is again: The Photographer's Right To all the "superfans" on here who are siding with Prince, you really should jump ship to save face. This kid not only has the upper hand, but probably has a good case. There is no such thing as public privacy. You're in public; you're game to get your picture taken...PERIOD. No permission is necessary. It is not abuse nor does it violate any laws. In order for this to become a real problem for Prince, the kid would have to have his picture published in a mag or something. Also, just because Prince didn't instruct the bodyguard to take the camera at that moment doesn't mean that he hasn't been trained to do so on a prior occasion. If anyone was abused, it was the kid. His property was taken from him (theft); regardless if he turned the camera in to airport security or not. It was taken - that constitutes theft. A countersuit is going to be a waste of time. The judge may award the kid the $50K in punitive damages alone. He may have even only wanted to sue for his camera back, but once lawyers enter the equation, the $$$ grows to huge proportions instantly. The fact that Prince did nothing to rectify the situation immediately (i.e, fire the bodyguard or tell him to give the camera back) destroys any chances of him being absolved of guilt in the matter. You can't pull that old skool muscle routine in this day and age. Too many lawyers around for that mess. His countersuit is worthless and baseless. After he looses, look out webmasters. I bet he'll go on another wave of website shutdowns. The first to go: That cute little wallpaper website just displayed on another thread!  JW my ass! [/color]P will win the case if there is no damage 2 the camara. P will not b ordered 2 pay 50grand 4 this. There's no justification 4 that amount of $$$$$! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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One word: Twat. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SummerRain said: I didn't say taking a picture was mental abuse, but i did say taking the picture without permission is abuse. What's the difference between this situation and a person saying no to sex but is forced to have it anyway? Is this different because it's physical abuse, I don't think so. You might as well agree that freedom isn't a right but a priviledge subject to be violated or revoked at will regardless of the situation. "Don't, let, the devil make ya, dance, with, the undertaker!" Now playing at NPGMC  .And for the record, there is a picture of me in Rolling Stone that was taken without my permission as well as someone filming us without permission, as we left the screening on March 29th. I was in a public place which means I was fair game. Why did P's bodyguard make a big deal of the guy taking the pic? I don't know. I have to question why the guy didn't go and pick up his camera when he learned it was available. Maybe he wanted his fifteeen seconds of fame. Seeing as none of us were there, it's hard to say.  | |
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ELBOOGY said: P will win the case if there is no damage 2 the camara. P will not b ordered 2 pay 50grand 4 this. There's no justification 4 that amount of $$$$$! Why? Because you said so? Unless you happen to be the judge presiding over the case, it just sounds like wishful thinking to me. At least I backed up my statement. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: ELBOOGY said: P will win the case if there is no damage 2 the camara. P will not b ordered 2 pay 50grand 4 this. There's no justification 4 that amount of $$$$$! [color=blue:7746716a79]Why? Because you said so? Unless you happen to be the judge presiding over the case, it just sounds like wishful thinking to me. At least I backed up my statement.[/color] [This message was edited Mon Jun 21 18:45:10 2004 by ELBOOGY] U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Redayh said: madartista said: Yes, he has to respond. No, he doesn't have to countersue. Yes, you are right, he could say, no I didn't do it and that's it, BUT I don't know one lawyer that wouldn't advise a counterclaim if one was at all possible. Not one. It's general practice to pile them on. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the kid's camera should never have been taken,, but once the bodyguard grabbed it you had a battery. Even if Prince had given it back right then, there would still be a battery, and I bet there would have still been a lawsuit. Rich and famous types always get sued and they sue back. It's just par for the course. Exactly! This is what any Defense Lawyer worth his or her salt would do. This has nothing 2do with new found spitituality or morality this is about Legally!!!!! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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ELBOOGY said: BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:7746716a79]Why? Because you said so? Unless you happen to be the judge presiding over the case, it just sounds like wishful thinking to me. At least I backed up my statement.[/color] [This message was edited Mon Jun 21 18:45:10 2004 by ELBOOGY] You back up your statement with speculation? It all depends on the JUDGE. $50K is what they are sueing for but they could get $15K. Legal fees, punitive damages, etc. The kid could end up with very little if anything, but the lawyers willl get paid as well as the courts. Law is law, "partna". This ain't "The Practice" or some t.v. drama. Sometimes celebs get a break, sometimes they get punished. You hear more about the ones they win because they are more willing to talk about them. Jack Nichlson,Sean Penn,Tommy Lee have ALL been to jail befoe, meaning that they have lost in court. Prince can loose in court too - especially in a situation like this one. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: ELBOOGY said: Not bcuz i said so but just that i've seen a lot of celeberty cases like this 1 but the so called facts were a lot worse than P's where as the celeberty actually got in2 the physical altercation and got off...EX: Jack Nichlson,Sean Penn,Tommy Lee and some others as well. All i'm saying is that i've seen a lot worse and i betchya P beats the charges. There was no physical damage 2 the young man so 50,000 dollars 4 what a Camara? We live in America partna where Celeb's& politicians get off all the time!
[This message was edited Mon Jun 21 18:45:10 2004 by ELBOOGY] [color=blue:762bd2e8f2]You back up your statement with speculation? It all depends on the JUDGE. $50K is what they are sueing for but they could get $15K. Legal fees, punitive damages, etc. The kid could end up with very little if anything, but the lawyers willl get paid as well as the courts. Law is law, "partna". This ain't "The Practice" or some t.v. drama. Sometimes celebs get a break, sometimes they get punished. You hear more about the ones they win because they are more willing to talk about them. Jack Nichlson,Sean Penn,Tommy Lee have ALL been to jail befoe, meaning that they have lost in court. Prince can loose in court too - especially in a situation like this one.[/color] Ok partna isee u feelin yo oats. I'm speculatin just like u r. I did'nt state it as fact i stated it as my opinion but iwish there was a way 4 me 2 win some $$$ of yo ass in this case PARTNA! I would bet u P tix4 anywhere in the world! 15G's is a far lot less than 50g's. Like i said b4 the boy won't get the 50G's he's tryin 2 get PARTNA!!! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Legally, Prince would lose. He really has no grounds to walk on, but it looks like he's just pulling a common legal maneuver. If we're talking right and wrong it's a wash. The little fan-boy was wrong for taking another man's picture without permission. Personally, I'd let it slide if it were a woman or child  . However, image is a large part of a celebrity's lifestyle so it is reasonable that Prince would like to protect that image.
On the other hand, Prince and/or his people obviously over-reacted. It wasn't that big of a deal. He should have taken the high-road and asked to have that picture back if it bothered him that much. Either that or let the guy have his picture and just explain why he doesn't want his picture taken in the future. Then, if he continued to disrespect that's when you rough him up a little. 
Both men were acting like silly little bitches. If anything it's just like a little soap opera that I'm watching and don't get too involved with. This is a story that should be laughed at, not hotly debated to the point you can no longer stand the man and feel the urge to start regurgitating legal nonsense concocted by a bunch of old nitwits looking out for their own best interests. It seems to me a lot of you should be relieved. If the Prince of old were truly lost to us he would have let this thing go. For all we know this is a publicity stunt meant to keep his name in the paper and get people talking a little (a stretch I know, but who really cares?) |
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freakebear said: 1) If you know nothing about law, don't expect to be taken seriously when you spout off about what vague rights you believe the Constitution does and doesn't guarantee.
2) Prince needs to relax and realize the scary black box won't steal his soul. cosign!! is THAT why he doesn't like his picture taken? I thought it was because the 'do was a don't that day getting off of the plane."Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:762bd2e8f2]You back up your statement with speculation? It all depends on the JUDGE. $50K is what they are sueing for but they could get $15K. Legal fees, punitive damages, etc. The kid could end up with very little if anything, but the lawyers willl get paid as well as the courts. Law is law, "partna". This ain't "The Practice" or some t.v. drama. Sometimes celebs get a break, sometimes they get punished. You hear more about the ones they win because they are more willing to talk about them. Jack Nichlson,Sean Penn,Tommy Lee have ALL been to jail befoe, meaning that they have lost in court. Prince can loose in court too - especially in a situation like this one.[/color] Are they seeking Punis in ths case? It is fairly rare that a case is so egregious that punitive damages are appropriate. When they are they make news, but they aren't easy to get. This realy doesn't appear to be that type of case. | |
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ELBOOGY said: Redayh said: Yes, you are right, he could say, no I didn't do it and that's it, BUT I don't know one lawyer that wouldn't advise a counterclaim if one was at all possible. Not one. It's general practice to pile them on. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the kid's camera should never have been taken,, but once the bodyguard grabbed it you had a battery. Even if Prince had given it back right then, there would still be a battery, and I bet there would have still been a lawsuit. Rich and famous types always get sued and they sue back. It's just par for the course. Exactly! This is what any Defense Lawyer worth his or her salt would do. This has nothing 2do with new found spitituality or morality this is about Legally!!!!! Well actually it all depends. Prince can defend a/g the lawsuit without filing a countersuit of his own. If a judge perceves that you've just brought a frivolous counterclaim just as a tactic to drive up the other sides litigation costs there's a good chance you'll only succeed in pissin off the judge. Which is a bad thing. | |
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