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Reply #60 posted 06/19/04 12:56pm

Heidi

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Ahum .. it definitely not his best work - the music is good but the lyrics awful. The darth vader noise, the preaching, the history-lesson (!), and the theme throughout the entire album .. I mean seriously, what was he trying to achieve with this one?

Purple Rain - Billy Sparks: "No one likes your music .. but yourself" -

but then in the movie P goes one to write the song Purple Rain so you know things may be looking up wink
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Reply #61 posted 06/20/04 7:38am

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I JUST BOUGHT THIS CD YESTERDAY, AND I LIKE IT! YES, THE DARTH VADER CRAP IS ANNOYING, BUT I LIKE THE JAZZY FEEL THIS CD HAS. OUT OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS
PRINCE HAS ATTEMPTED TO TRY WITH HIS MUSIC, I LIKE THE DIRECTION HE IS HEADING WITH THIS CD. HE JUST NEED TO TWEEK A FEW THINGS LIKE AGAIN, GET RID OF THE DARTH VADER & NOT SO MUCH PREACHING IF I WANT TO HEAR THAT I'LL GO TO CHURCH.
I AGREE WITH THE PERSON WHO SAID THAT THIS I ONE OF HIS BETTER CD'S IN THE 90'S.
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Reply #62 posted 06/20/04 9:59am

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I think TRC will grow on me like Lovesexy did. It is a great spiritual album. My only problem with it is the Darth Vader narration. Those parts make me feel like I'm listening to a children's audio book.
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Reply #63 posted 06/26/04 3:23pm

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Welcome2daRevolution said:

I think TRC will grow on me like Lovesexy did. It is a great spiritual album. My only problem with it is the Darth Vader narration. Those parts make me feel like I'm listening to a children's audio book.



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Reply #64 posted 06/26/04 4:00pm

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I see more negative reviews are starting to surface amongst the group.
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Reply #65 posted 06/26/04 4:29pm

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Anji said:

I still find it astonishing that so many here cannot, or simply will not, allow themselves to hear just how magnificent a work of art this album is, simply due to their perception of the political/spiritual/religious themes.


Like that's not important. rolleyes

That said, I find it musically weak as well. Take Last September for instance. Why'd he stick Rock'N'Roll Is Alive (And It Lives In Minneapolis) in the middle of it? As an experiment? Okay. But does it work? Not to my ears. I would have preferred Last September uninterrupted from start to finish.

Musically there's nothing on the album he hadn't done prior to it. Lyrically, there is. Unfortunately. neutral

But again, Prince has covered so many different musical ranges throughout his career - maybe even all of them. So I think it's doubtful that it's even possible for him at this point to do something that does not sound like something he hasn't played before. biggrin
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Reply #66 posted 06/26/04 4:39pm

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Anji said:

The Rainbow Children is a masterpiece, if you also consider albums like 1999, Purple Rain, Parade, Sign O The Times and Lovesexy, as masterpieces.

It's as good as the best of the 80s albums, if not better. Yes, it rivals the albums mentioned above, and in many ways, betters them. It's a much more cohesive 'album' than his so called masterpiece, Sign O The Times, which merely exists as a collection of songs spanning that era. The production on TRC is also breathtaking. The fact of the matter is, Prince has rarely come close to doing anything as daring on any of his own albums; one has to step back in time to 1982 to hear such imagination in the studio, or to 1986 to bear witness to such panache with his fellow musicians. Its an unfair comparison but Musicology doesn't even compare from a musicianship point of view (although it's still enjoyable in its own right but cleally targeted towards a different audience).

As with anything unusual, I can see how much of it is lost on even a core audience but that does not diminish what the album is. It's the sound of an artist 'truly' experimenting on record; we haven't seen such a display since, dare I say it, the album 1999, and I'll be surprised if he has in it him to ever produce anything like it again. I still find it astonishing that so many here cannot, or simply will not, allow themselves to hear just how magnificent a work of art this album is, simply due to their perception of the political/spiritual/religious themes.

It begs the question: does one's enjoyment of a work of art derive from agreeing with the sentiment of its ideologies? Perhaps, that's the most significant reason why The Rainbow Children stands on its own as a true masterpeice, in comparison to Prince's other great albums. He's saying something entirely challenging, and making no apology for it. That's simply not welcoming enough for those who once felt a kindred spirit with his genius.


I'm sure there's someone out there who loves a Right Said Fred album as much as you like TRC. It's all a matter of opinion. So don't be surprised when you discover that a lot of people don't like this crap.
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Reply #67 posted 06/26/04 4:51pm

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Anji said:

It begs the question: does one's enjoyment of a work of art derive from agreeing with the sentiment of its ideologies? Perhaps, that's the most significant reason why The Rainbow Children stands on its own as a true masterpeice, in comparison to Prince's other great albums. He's saying something entirely challenging, and making no apology for it.


So what you are saying is that Rainbow Children stands as a masterpiece because it's so challenging no one gets it? lol

You are forgetting that 1999 was considered quite the challenging album at its time. (So were Purple Rain, Parade and Sign 'O' The Times, for that matter.) He wasn't making apologies for 1999 either. biggrin

And personally I found the ideologies presented on 1999 more agreeable than those presented on Rainbow Children. I liked the music on 1999 better too. Therefore 1999 (or any other Prince album for that matter) will always be a more enjoyable album for me than Rainbow Children. nod

I played 1999 for months when I got it and occassionally play it still. I've heard Rainbow Children less than 10 times and only thought less of it with each listen. It's a work, alright, but whether it's a work of art is debatable. nod
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Reply #68 posted 06/26/04 5:32pm

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TRC is a very good concept album! 1 of the best i've ever heard especially in the last 10 years probably. Most acts put out a concept album with no concept! 2me the narration with the low voice is classic! It's what seperates it from other P albums. And i think the reason y u put certain albums down a lot quicker than others is that it might not fit you personal taste or flow. P is 2 diverse an artist 4 u 2 love all 25+ albums. Some will hit the spot and some won't just like Picaso's paintings. Quit holding P 2 this ungodly standard and just enjoy the ride of a musical wizard and Artistic funky ass chameleon!
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Reply #69 posted 06/26/04 5:35pm

ELBOOGY

scififilmnerd said:

Anji said:

It begs the question: does one's enjoyment of a work of art derive from agreeing with the sentiment of its ideologies? Perhaps, that's the most significant reason why The Rainbow Children stands on its own as a true masterpeice, in comparison to Prince's other great albums. He's saying something entirely challenging, and making no apology for it.


So what you are saying is that Rainbow Children stands as a masterpiece because it's so challenging no one gets it? lol

You are forgetting that 1999 was considered quite the challenging album at its time. (So were Purple Rain, Parade and Sign 'O' The Times, for that matter.) He wasn't making apologies for 1999 either. biggrin

And personally I found the ideologies presented on 1999 more agreeable than those presented on Rainbow Children. I liked the music on 1999 better too. Therefore 1999 (or any other Prince album for that matter) will always be a more enjoyable album for me than Rainbow Children. :nod:ELBOOGY SAYS.....1999 was a dance record whereas TRC is not. It's called diversity. Both are challenging in thier own ways/styles. 1999 is a pop record and TRC is more jazz influenced. 1's an apple while the others an orange but they both are considered fruits!! Think about it!

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Reply #70 posted 06/26/04 5:48pm

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The most upsetting cd purchase of my life. Makes New Power Soul look like TGE. Dont misunderstand me, I would rather listen to it then almost all of the other crap on the airwaves. Its "fake" deep. Not like Lovesexy, which is real emotion and you can feel it. When I listen to TRC, I here music without feeling. She loves me for me is the only song that captured my attention right off the bat.
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Reply #71 posted 06/26/04 7:05pm

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DarkKnight1 said:

The most upsetting cd purchase of my life. Makes New Power Soul look like TGE. Dont misunderstand me, I would rather listen to it then almost all of the other crap on the airwaves. Its "fake" deep. Not like Lovesexy, which is real emotion and you can feel it. When I listen to TRC, I here music without feeling. She loves me for me is the only song that captured my attention right off the bat.



You should have downloaded it like I did.
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Reply #72 posted 06/26/04 7:05pm

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i like the album but i take issue with the preaching, i don't know, i guess that's just me. it's not overt, but having studied with the witnesses when i was younger, the j-dub shoutouts are all over it.

it's a little difficult for me because they were so against prince when i was studying, and i was such a prince fan.

but this will delve into a religious debate, so i'll stop here by saying the music is great.


NOT any debating: religion/religiosity/proselytizing in ANY particular faith can be abrasive in music. Although the beauty of his craft is there to hear, he IS sharing himself with us....I stumble on the divisive feeling I start to get. It's ez to shrug off though, and appreciate the art.
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Reply #73 posted 06/26/04 8:03pm

homeandmantel

LOL, a masperpiece huh,
well this IS Prince .org, so i guess you should be a little biased.
its like my kids drawings on my refrigirator, its a masterpeice in my opinion.

Lets go over to BritneySpears.org if there is such a thing, i bet they think Toxic is the most super-duper-genius masterpeice in the not just earth but the entire galaxy!

anyway.....I find "Toxic", the least toxic of the two.

and TRC, i do get it, i get its suposed to be this dumbed-down watered-down jazz-like music-like, sounds that are not fun to listen to,

god knows i tried!
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Reply #74 posted 06/26/04 9:33pm

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All up to the listener, IMO it is. The fact that its miles away from his more raunchier work, Dirty Mind, yet still turns heads, musically and lyrically without sounding preachy.
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Reply #75 posted 06/27/04 7:17am

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So I guess we are basically in agreement that the lyrics are a major flaw? Most of the time I don't care about lyrics because 99% of lyrics are fluff anyway. But I think most peoples problems with Rainbow Children are the lyrics and the narration. I know some people like that aspect of the album but I think the fact that so many people don't like it proves that it was a mistake for Prince to include the freaky voice. I think the album would have been better served if he had excluded the narration and just wrote the story into the liner notes. That way it wouldn't take away from the music and we could still follow the story...strike that last part. I don't think anyone can follow Rainbow Children!
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Reply #76 posted 06/27/04 7:51am

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The relentless segue's were not the problem. o+> album fought thru it.
The lyrics were not the problem. La La LA HE HE HE and 200 balloons are examples.
It always goes back to the music. I will still spin it every couple of months in an attempt to soak it up like every other album he has ever released. Hell, I dig NPS and Rave
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Reply #77 posted 06/29/04 10:38am

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I changed my mind about The Rainbow Children today. It sounded like a lot of boring unmelodious noodling to me at first. But it has just crept up on me. It is starting to remind me of Parade (my favourite Prince album). It has that same feeling: freaky eccentric funk being whistled by a diminuitive sex slave hiding under the covers in an expensive Paris hotel. That's what Prince is all about isn't it? And why didn't I hear all the brilliant tunes at first? God knows.

About the lyrics, I don't agree with the grumbles on this thread about it being preachy - Prince is still much too crazy and sollipsistic to actually preach. Here, he invents a new religion for the electric people living in his head.

The real problem is the ranting stuff he puts in about other races. On a couple of the songs he seems to be having an argument with all the Jews in the world about who has the more oppressed history - him or them. That's a pretty offensive way of looking at other people's suffering, I think. Then again, he makes up for it a bit by sampling the beautiful Martin Luther King speech at the end of Family Name.

By the way, have the people who compare stuff like this to Miles Davis ever heard a Miles record? I don't think so. They just mean it sounds vaguely jazzy.
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Reply #78 posted 06/29/04 11:18am

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I think it sucks! I'm not even sure where I put that cd. Think my dog ate it...


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Reply #79 posted 06/29/04 11:19am

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I know lots of folks love Rainbow Children but I just can't get into it. Am I alone? I love the last four tracks (She Loves Me 4 Me, Family Name, The Everlasting Now and Last December) but the rest is very hit or miss. And all the "weirdness" just kills the album for me.


It's a masterpiece. I put it on the same level as Purple Rain and LoveSexy. But, it's not for everyone.
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Reply #80 posted 06/29/04 11:27am

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conman33 said:

i thought it was a good album. i just didn't really like the deep voice that narrated all the songs. it was really annoying for me at least.


Agree!
I think it is a great album but I cant take the track where the deep voice just goes on and on
I guess thats just too deep for me?
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Reply #81 posted 06/29/04 5:09pm

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Yeah, I don't consider it a masterpiece by any means. I love most of the last half, but that first half has annoying garbage like Rainbow Children, The Work, and Everywhere.

I like the story though, it really unfolds nicely. Hell, I even like the Vader voice. It's like you're taken on this mind bending psycadelic musical experience.

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Reply #82 posted 06/30/04 10:21am

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I don't think the songs are great put the production is fantastic.I like it for the sonic exprience more than anything
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Reply #83 posted 06/30/04 10:35am

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Rainbow Children is just one of his many masterpieces

I'm sure prince himself considers the arrangement of his first dozen albums as perfection until he had to start carving off all the fat. Imagine if every "experience" was a double album.
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Reply #84 posted 06/30/04 1:12pm

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OK guys, I come from Czech republic and getting this album is amost impossible, so I don´t have it, but yesterday I happened to be in our capital city where I found one shop where they had it (didn´t buy it, cause it was too expensive and I didn´t have money) ,but I´ve listen to it and I think that it´s an unbelieavable album. I think it´s something one must be in the right mood to listen to, but I couldn´e believe it. I think technically the songs seem to be hard to play. Altbough I am not musician, but it just seemed like it to me.
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Reply #85 posted 06/30/04 1:26pm

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definitly a masterpiece
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Reply #86 posted 06/30/04 2:43pm

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wyld1 said:



It's a masterpiece. I put it on the same level as Purple Rain and LoveSexy. But, it's not for everyone.



That's for damn sure. It sickens me.
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Reply #87 posted 06/30/04 4:14pm

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Rainbow Children is naff.... sorry I meant pretentious
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