What the fuck!?!?! First he gets dissed in the guitar greats issue and now this! yet, madonna,emenem, tina turner and other less talented/ground breaking artisits all make the list.
[This message was edited Thu Jun 10 0:24:57 2004 by chrisslope9]

And he was Just on The Cover...What DUMB-KOFFS!

Zelaira said:

didn't use RS 4 that issue!

You know, I would personally prefer he's not mentioned at all in these "top whatever" magazines, than get some shitty middle of the road ranking at like #30, behind the usual middle of the road artists that get way too much respect. Not being mentioned at all suggests they were overlooked, which I much prefer than when they actually pay attention to Prince and don't give enough credit.

So I'm happy.

But, truthfully, that is a really good point from RS's perspective. Why would they have just payed respect to Prince by putting him on the COVER of the magazine, and then overlooked him for this, especially when Purple Rain was clearly, CLEARLY, CLEARLY a rock and roll changing moment, something that lovers and haters of Prince's music alike would probably agree on?

I'm glad they didn't mention it, but it really doesn't make much sense when you think about it.

i havent seen the list but if that music killing overated Nirvana is on the list then i DONT want to see it !

Mazerati said:

if anything, Nirvana liberated music from a stagnant late-80s full of too much hairspray and not enough real songwriting (Poison, Warrant, etc).

So what was the moment in Prince's career that changed rock and roll?

Irrespective of the relative merits of the list nominees?
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RS sux and has been that way for the last 10 years

langebleu said:

take your pick;

1. Along with Thriller put the music video format in full bloom and setting the stage for MTV's glory years when they actually played music videos

2. Refusing to sign with a record company that wouldn't let him produce his own album. It had never been done for a new artist and certainly for someone so young (still is the youngest ever to do so). By doing so he opened the door for other artist to have control over their creativity in the studio if they were talented enough to warrant it. Especially the Rap artist that broke big in the mid-80's.

3. Three words - PARENTAL ADVISORY STICKER

Last but probably THE MOST Defining Moment:

4. The fight to own his masters and then take his music to the internet to distribute it directly to the public. this has put pressure on the record companies to give in to artist they really want to give in to them wanting to own their Masters. Many artist who write and compose their own songs are fighting for this immediately...something just not done before Prince fought the good fight. He may have lost a lot along the way in taking on the Mega Corp Music World but he ultimately is winning now and so are a lot of other artist because of him also.
The internet distribution has also brought on your Apple stores and other companies making music availalbe on the internet though admittedly Napster had way more to do with this than P.

One minute people are swooining over the Prince cover story on RS and his 4 star review of Musicology, the next minute they're damning the publication to hell for not including him on some list of whatever's greatest whatever.

There's many different people writing for that magazine, some dig prince some don't. It's not the end of the world if someone who isn't into prince writes an article for RS and doesnt mention his name.

They do have writers there such as Anthony DeCurtis, who clearly dig Prince, so whats there to worry about?

I think these lists would be even more boring if they only contained the same exact handful of people each time. It's just some music lovers sharing their own thoughts on what they consider prominent points in music history, its not the last word.

rolling stone b'damned.

coachsean said:

I'd think that Purple Rain and that whole period of 1984-85 would get him in there as a mention. Prince ruled those years with a movie and album. That deserves a mention. RS has had "issues" with Prince for quite sometime now. I'm not surprised that they skipped out on the acknowledgements.

the only way that p would have gotten his props on that countdown is if he was dead and gone. They always hype up rock stars after they have either committed suicide, died tragically, or died of natural causes. If prince was either of the three, he probably would have ended up in the top 10 of that countdown, i bet you....

to be honest, i like the way things are now....with P here on earth with us....who cares about some countdown, he's alive and breathing..thank god for that
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BlaqueKnight said:

wow...you have some good points but boy did you misinterpret what i was saying most of the time.

1. of course Thriller was in the year before...i didn't specify a year..just stated that they were both music video "type" of events that helped launch MTV into the mainstream...especially for Black artist.
2. don't get this point to be honest. He was and still is the youngest allowed to produce his debut album. And not just Warner Bros. but no record label before then had allowed a debut artist to produce his own music....regardless of age.
3. first off your implying that Dirty Mind was the album that prompted Parental Advisory Stickers. Not true...it was Purple Rain. Um, yeah, i do understand other artist were raunchy in their lyrics before Prince (where do i even mention that?) but none had ever had the reputation he did and then break into the mainstream so huge that a white surburban kid who just happened to be the daughter of a Senator was listening to his music. What's funny is that the P.R. album is the one that prompted Tipper to go after the music industry just because of a masturbation line in Darling Nikki. Her head would have exploded had her daughter bought 1999 and heard, "i sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth". lol

anyways, regardless of who was doing what first or dirtier...his album is specifically pointed out as the one that prompted Tipper to fight for the Parental sticker. That's just fact there.

4. again, i didn't want to write a 10 page thesis on the subject so i didn't feel i should point out the obvious. yes other artist were working for their masters before and everything else you said is very valid. BUT, even though artist wanted to fight for more ownership they didn't. whether it was a money issue or more realistically a fear issue...they just didn't. My point was that Prince did it on such a large scale...at risk of career suicide and financial loss. He did what others wanted to do but didn't. And because of it many artist have thanked and acknowledged that HIS Fight is the reason they now own their masters. So behind the scenes things similar were going on i agree...but behind the scenes does not change an industry. Only an In Your Face assault of the monopoly like regimes would bring attention to how the record company screws artist year after year. Thousands wanted to speak up and fight the good fight...only ONE did.

That is significant to the music industry and has changed how rock/roll is paid for and delivered by the music industry now. Seems worthy of at least a mention don't you think?

After seeing that 3 of Eminem's cds made the top 500 list of ALL time.....I stopped takin' their lists seriously.

Uhm....

How about a black man that wore bikini draws....a trench coat....a bandana...and button that said Rude Boy in high heel shoes...with leg warmers....that sang about politics and havin relations with his sister....































Nah...neva mind....he aint did nuffin for rock and roll...



















Taking from the ode 2 Prince by Dave Chapelle.....


Bitches....

I think "when u were mine" is one of the most rock 'n roll songs of the last 4 decades

Who care's about RS, One minute you like the magazine cause it features Prince the next you talking about using it for toilet paper. Personally I don't like RS. Prince is already feature in the Hall of fame for song such as "when doves cry" for changing modern rock anyway.

Nirvana changed Rock music and are as important to music as Bob Dylan. Princes talent far overshadows these two (IMHO) but he has failed produce anything that could be considered a moment that changed Rock and Roll.

mrdespues said:

and turned it into a dull decade of depressing music

here we go again with the Rolling Stone thread....

1. Rolling Stone publishes another half-baked Top 50 list to sucker in readers.

2. a. They acknowledge Prince. Cue fams to ramble on about how great it is that a great magazine like Rolling Stone have acknowledged him.
b. They don't acknowledge Prince. Cue fams to ramble on about what a worthless, trashy publication Rolling Stone is these days and that what they say means nothing.

Truth is, Rolling Stone is a decent publication. When it agrees with you, of course.