he acts like all the stuff he did in the 80s was really traditional and orthodox or something. which is BS. when doves cry for example, was not traditional at all.

and apart from most R&B artists (not to be confused with neo soul artists) and pop artists, everyone else does play their instruments live!

probably because so many do not play their own instruments, and cannot even manage to actually sing in concert...

what are you talking about, the revolution was a bluegrass-klezmer fusion band and they all built their own instruments out of matchsticks, dag nab it.

i have started this topic stop biteing off me

I understand were Prince is coming from, but he is starting to sound like your mates dad who used to blather on and on about "music in his day..."

I do get annoyed when people say that music these days is rubbish. Admitidly the top 40 is crammed full of junk and our airwaves are full of either the same batch of "golden oldies" or some "flavour of the month" teenage band, but that is not a representation of all music. There is tons of great stuff out there, it just takes a little longer, and a bit more effort to find.
People should stop whinging about modern music and get off their lazy asses and look for it...sheesh!

**Edited to add, you have my apologies for going a tad off topic **
[This message was edited Tue Jun 8 7:55:18 2004 by yxl1]

bloodybadbrain said:

i don't think he's acting like his 80s material was, as you call it, 'traditional.' he's gone on the record so many times saying something akin to, "'let's go crazy'? who else did a song like that in the 80s?" (referring to the guitar solos / spoken introduction / etc.). and he damn well knows that 'doves' was totally off the hook.

i always take his 'real music' quotation to be this: he's not referring to straight up guitars / drums / bass (well, This is more of a response to delectable's thread) as opposed to playing with a triangle, a comb, and an upside down bucket; he's not saying that you cannot break convention / tradition (god knows, he would be crazy to suggest that). what he IS referring to is the ability to have a hand in your OWN music, to have an idea / to craft it / to formulate it / to get it down on paper or keep it in your head / to work it out on some sort of instrument / and likely be able to convey that idea to others (concerts?).

the 'real music' quote goes hand in hand with the lip synching idea. so many people (yes, it was there in the past, but IS getting more xtreme these days), have absolutely no hand in what they are "conveying." its like a brother of a friend of a plumber of a triple crown horse jockey might as well be writing the music -- it has no real relation to the person on stage.

it could be likened to you offering a work at the museum of modern art...the curator says, "wow is this yours?" and you say, "well, no, someone else painted it, but i brought it to you...so give me the credit...it was my idea to show it to you...hey, don't you think i'm handsome?"
[This message was edited Tue Jun 8 7:56:49 2004 by ninarockets]

I think he was referring to two things :

1. The likes of Brittany Spears who chooses to call herself a singer and yet also chooses not to sing when she's performing 'live' because she can't sing and dance at the same time (the poor love). I know when I buy tickets to see someone perform, I expect them to actually sing, and I expect there to be a band playing instruments, creating real 'live' music (doing what they're paid to do, in other words), as opposed to a dance troupe, a tape player, some fake plastic head-sets and a guy in the back with his finger poised over the 'play' button.

2. The manufactured band phenonenon - where band members are chosen by formula rather than by talent. Since the days of Stock, Aitkin, & Waterman (and probably even before them) there has been a glut of bands and singers who play no instruments, write no lyrics, compose no music, have no other musical capabilities or experience other than that they can possibly sing a bit, or dance, or have the right colour hair, etc...


...and I know exactly what he means. Give me the choice beteween a musician and a singer and I'll take the musician every time.


All of which you'll note, if you've been paying attention, has just been said (more eloquently) by ninarockets who beat me to it. Seeing as I've spent the last ten minutes writing this response and ridding it of spelling mistakes I'm posting it anyway.

AsylumUtopia said:

edit.
[This message was edited Tue Jun 8 8:35:59 2004 by Cloudbuster]

AsylumUtopia said:

aaahhh, thanx cuzzin...you're all right yourself

yxl1 said:

yxl1 said:

Well That's the problem! The "tons of great stuff" you describe is usually not supported by Radio and Major labels. and your average person, sadly, does not venture too far beyond Video or Radio or care enough to see what else is out there. They just listen to and buy whatever Clear Channel lets them hear. All of these recent Prince interviews are in major trade publications, the same ones that report on everything that Britney Spears is doing that week... So, until people stop puttin' Shit like Britney and Usher at the top of the charts, Prince needs to continue to talk about 'Real Music' in these publications!

It's part of his sales pitch.