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okaypimpn

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Question about "Reflection"

Okay, you know the line where Prince says

"Still it's nice to know when I die and bodies wear out...
we can get another"


Does this mean Prince believes in heaven and hell? I thought that the Jehovah Witness faith believes that heaven is here on earth and there will only be 144 elders to enter. confuse Correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe this post should go in the religion thread, but I thought I'd try it out here first! lol
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Reply #1 posted 06/04/04 7:07am

elimiposi

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okaypimpn said:

Okay, you know the line where Prince says

"Still it's nice to know when I die and bodies wear out...
we can get another"


Does this mean Prince believes in heaven and hell? I thought that the Jehovah Witness faith believes that heaven is here on earth and there will only be 144 elders to enter. confuse Correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe this post should go in the religion thread, but I thought I'd try it out here first! lol



seems to me he believes in reincarnation. don't know how that fits in to the JW rules.
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Reply #2 posted 06/04/04 7:36am

AntonyGolding

The lyrics are actually:
Still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


http://www.princelyrics.c...reflection
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Reply #3 posted 06/04/04 7:43am

OdysseyMiles

Resurrection.
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Reply #4 posted 06/04/04 7:52am

okaypimpn

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AntonyGolding said:

The lyrics are actually:
Still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


http://www.princelyrics.c...reflection


Okay, I knew it was something like that.
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Reply #5 posted 06/04/04 8:05am

OdysseyMiles

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry. touched

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.
*vaclempt spelling edit touched *
[This message was edited Fri Jun 4 8:11:01 2004 by OdysseyMiles]
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Reply #6 posted 06/04/04 8:11am

okaypimpn

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OdysseyMiles said:

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry.

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.


Exactly!

That's why I was thinking he was "reflecting" on one day meeting his mother again in heaven.
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Reply #7 posted 06/04/04 8:16am

Luli

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biggrin Wow....I guess he believes in Reincarnation...very interesting...
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Reply #8 posted 06/04/04 8:18am

okaypimpn

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I'm wondering if it's actually reincarnation or just the spirit being renewed in a better place (perhaps heaven)? shrug Guess we'll never know unless we ask him! lol
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Reply #9 posted 06/04/04 8:19am

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okaypimpn said:

OdysseyMiles said:

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry.

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.


Exactly!

That's why I was thinking he was "reflecting" on one day meeting his mother again in heaven.


Yeah, I have always loved this lyric...It expresses how his mind wonders when going about the daily routines of life. Thinking about a recently deceased parent and being comforted by the fact that you believe in reincarnation or more explicitly the resurrection.
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Reply #10 posted 06/04/04 8:19am

Byron

OdysseyMiles said:

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry. touched

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.

And it's something that practically NO music critic so far as bothered to talk about or acknowledge when reviewing Musicology...they'll talk about the "water the plants" line as if it's the most telling part of that song, while completely missing out on the one lyric that's the most personal and profound...

I love that song. rose
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Reply #11 posted 06/04/04 8:21am

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Maybe he is talking about cloning. Every year that passes that lyric will become more relevant. Heck I saw an add the other day for a company that will clone your pet. Scary stuff.

At any rate, he could be speaking of cloning. That line could be fully intended to be nothing more than truthful sarcasm...perhaps.

peace
"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #12 posted 06/04/04 8:26am

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Byron said:

And it's something that practically NO music critic so far as bothered to talk about or acknowledge when reviewing Musicology...they'll talk about the "water the plants" line as if it's the most telling part of that song, while completely missing out on the one lyric that's the most personal and profound...

mostly it's because these cats are paid to just give their mere opinion, instead of really digging around and finding out what stuff may/may not mean and presenting it to the public. even if they did, shit would fall upon deaf ears cuz that ain't "in" nowadays, seems like.
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Reply #13 posted 06/04/04 8:28am

OdysseyMiles

Byron said:

OdysseyMiles said:

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry. touched

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another



The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.

And it's something that practically NO music critic so far as bothered to talk about or acknowledge when reviewing Musicology...they'll talk about the "water the plants" line as if it's the most telling part of that song, while completely missing out on the one lyric that's the most personal and profound...

I love that song. rose


Yes, YES!
I've noticed the same thing. They all glance over "Reflection" without really hearing it. One critic even called it "listless" (which means lacking zest or vivacity). That quote irritated me when I read it, and it disappoints me more now, because now I see the emotion in those lyrics all the more so.
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Reply #14 posted 06/04/04 8:34am

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In my opinion....he is definitely referring to his mother being resurrected.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the present system of things, with its cycle of birth, life, and death, is not all there is. We have complete confidence in a future life, including a resurrection from the dead under God's Kingdom. We believe, as the Bible teaches, that when a person dies, his existence really ceases. (Psalm 146:3, 4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4) Therefore, the Bible does not teach the concept of an immortal soul or of reincarnation. Rather, future life for the dead is based on God's remembrance of them in a resurrection.-Isaiah 25:8; Daniel 12:1, 2, 13.
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Reply #15 posted 06/04/04 8:44am

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FreeChild said:

In my opinion....he is definitely referring to his mother being resurrected.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the present system of things, with its cycle of birth, life, and death, is not all there is. We have complete confidence in a future life, including a resurrection from the dead under God's Kingdom. We believe, as the Bible teaches, that when a person dies, his existence really ceases. (Psalm 146:3, 4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4) Therefore, the Bible does not teach the concept of an immortal soul or of reincarnation. Rather, future life for the dead is based on God's remembrance of them in a resurrection.-Isaiah 25:8; Daniel 12:1, 2, 13.


So when you say "resurrection" do you mean as in the spirit coming alive in some other form on earth or a higher place?

The reason I'm asking is because the ONLY person I've ever known to be resurrected was Jesus Christ.
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Reply #16 posted 06/04/04 10:37am

MisterMan38

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well - just to add my 3 cents - I actually took it as meaning "cloning" or more specifically - stem cell research stuff .... just my guess ....

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Reply #17 posted 06/04/04 12:05pm

SynthiaRose

OdysseyMiles said:

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry. touched

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.
*vaclempt spelling edit touched *
[This message was edited Fri Jun 4 8:11:01 2004 by OdysseyMiles]




Wow. That's very clever of Prince and clever of you OdysseyMiles to decipher it.
I honestly was just singing along and thought it was a disjointed , stream of consciousness lyric. I thought he was just going from one thought (dying, afterlife) to another (loss of mom) without any reall connection (which is pretty much what the rest of the song does).

Now, yes, this makes sense and is so touching i want to cry too cry


Reincarnation? maybe--BUT in the Christian Bible Paul talks about saints getting resurrection bodies when Jesus comes back to gather those who are his. So, I'm thinking Prince is talking about that.
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Reply #18 posted 06/04/04 12:10pm

okaypimpn

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SynthiaRose said:

Reincarnation? maybe--BUT in the Christian Bible Paul talks about saints getting resurrection bodies when Jesus comes back to gather those who are his. So, I'm thinking Prince is talking about that.


That's exactly what I was thinking! clapping Makes me wanna shout just thinkin' about it!!!! dancing jig
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Reply #19 posted 06/04/04 12:24pm

OdysseyMiles

SynthiaRose said:

Wow. That's very clever of Prince and clever of you OdysseyMiles to decipher it.
I honestly was just singing along and thought it was a disjointed , stream of consciousness lyric. I thought he was just going from one thought (dying, afterlife) to another (loss of mom) without any reall connection (which is pretty much what the rest of the song does).
Now, yes, this makes sense and is so touching i want to cry too cry


Thank you, hon wink . I'm not sure if I'm right on or not, but it sure feels like that's where he was going with it. It's amazing that even after seeing him perform the song with Wendy, it gets more and more beautiful. I take the lines about his Mother very specifically, but the rest of the song can be taken many different ways. That's the beauty of art and songwriting in particular. A few lyrics can uplift so many people in various ways. I'll always love it, and this encourages me all the more to keep writing and making music from my heart. I wanna go home and hug my guitar and my notebook. touched
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Reply #20 posted 06/04/04 2:11pm

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We there was Lazurus for one, and there a several accounts of people being resurrected.

okaypimpn said:

FreeChild said:

In my opinion....he is definitely referring to his mother being resurrected.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the present system of things, with its cycle of birth, life, and death, is not all there is. We have complete confidence in a future life, including a resurrection from the dead under God's Kingdom. We believe, as the Bible teaches, that when a person dies, his existence really ceases. (Psalm 146:3, 4; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4) Therefore, the Bible does not teach the concept of an immortal soul or of reincarnation. Rather, future life for the dead is based on God's remembrance of them in a resurrection.-Isaiah 25:8; Daniel 12:1, 2, 13.


So when you say "resurrection" do you mean as in the spirit coming alive in some other form on earth or a higher place?

The reason I'm asking is because the ONLY person I've ever known to be resurrected was Jesus Christ.
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Reply #21 posted 06/04/04 2:25pm

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FreeChild said:

We there was Lazurus for one, and there a several accounts of people being resurrected.

okaypimpn said:



So when you say "resurrection" do you mean as in the spirit coming alive in some other form on earth or a higher place?

The reason I'm asking is because the ONLY person I've ever known to be resurrected was Jesus Christ.


Okay, I stand corrected; however, Christ was the one who healed these people and raised from the dead.

I'm just trying to get a clearer understanding of the JW doctrine 'cause it's a little hazy to me right now. lurking
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Reply #22 posted 06/04/04 2:43pm

SensualMelody

okaypimpn said:

FreeChild said:

We there was Lazurus for one, and there a several accounts of people being resurrected.



Okay, I stand corrected; however, Christ was the one who healed these people and raised from the dead.

I'm just trying to get a clearer understanding of the JW doctrine 'cause it's a little hazy to me right now. lurking


The very first time I heard the song, I immediately assumed he was thinking of the resurrection of his mother....maybe because I look forward to the resurrection of my Mom...right back here to a paradise earth.
Additionally, the Bible teaches that old ones will grow young and vigorous again...I wouldn't mind being...say 25 again physically. biggrin
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #23 posted 06/04/04 2:43pm

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SynthiaRose said:

Reincarnation? maybe--BUT in the Christian Bible Paul talks about saints getting resurrection bodies when Jesus comes back to gather those who are his. So, I'm thinking Prince is talking about that.

The rapture.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #24 posted 06/04/04 3:19pm

SynthiaRose

Supernova said:

SynthiaRose said:

Reincarnation? maybe--BUT in the Christian Bible Paul talks about saints getting resurrection bodies when Jesus comes back to gather those who are his. So, I'm thinking Prince is talking about that.

The rapture.



Right! I was trying to remember the formal term for that. The Rapture...
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Reply #25 posted 06/04/04 4:37pm

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OdysseyMiles said:

omg
It just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Ya know how he follows that line up with; "what does that one thing have to do with the other one? I don't know, I was thinkin' about my mother".
Goodness, it sounds to me like he's saying that he hopes his mother is resurrected and the two of them will be together again. I think I'm gonna friggin' cry. touched

He goes from;
Did we remember 2 water the plants 2day?
eye 4got 2 look up at the moon because
eye was 2 busy
eye was 2 busy lookin' at U, baby


to

still it's nice to know
That when r bodies wear out
We can get another


The above statement had nothing to do with the rest of the song, but he states that "hey, I was just thinkin' about my Mom".
What does his Mom have to do with bodies wearing out and getting another one? Resurrection.
Lord, that's beautiful. Even if I'm wrong, I think that's a beautiful way to write and I appreciate the fact that there are so many little things to be found in this man's music.
*vaclempt spelling edit touched *
[This message was edited Fri Jun 4 8:11:01 2004 by OdysseyMiles]


See there man! Now you made me cry, quit it!

Beautiful, absolutely, unconditionaly beautiful cry
Blue music
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Reply #26 posted 06/04/04 4:42pm

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Reflectionismyfavoritesongonthealbum.
I'm an org elitist... totally unapproachable.

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Reply #27 posted 06/04/04 5:23pm

SensualMelody

Supernova said:

SynthiaRose said:

Reincarnation? maybe--BUT in the Christian Bible Paul talks about saints getting resurrection bodies when Jesus comes back to gather those who are his. So, I'm thinking Prince is talking about that.

The rapture.

JWs don't believe in the concept of a literal "rapture"...
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #28 posted 06/04/04 5:26pm

SensualMelody

okaypimpn said:

Okay, you know the line where Prince says

"Still it's nice to know when I die and bodies wear out...
we can get another"


Does this mean Prince believes in heaven and hell? I thought that the Jehovah Witness faith believes that heaven is here on earth and there will only be 144 elders to enter. confuse Correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe this post should go in the religion thread, but I thought I'd try it out here first! lol


Heaven, yes....(144000 to go there)...wherever God is.
Hell , no...no firey eternal torment....just the grave, a temporary resting place before the resurrection.
Paradise...here on a restored earth...where the majority of thosed saved will live forever; new physical bodies for thse who have died.
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #29 posted 06/04/04 5:31pm

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SensualMelody said:

Supernova said:


The rapture.

JWs don't believe in the concept of a literal "rapture"...


That's not what I was saying. I was referring to Synthia's Biblical description:

SynthiaRose said:

Reincarnation? maybe--BUT in the Christian Bible Paul talks about saints getting resurrection bodies when Jesus comes back to gather those who are his. So, I'm thinking Prince is talking about that.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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