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Reply #30 posted 05/23/04 5:58am

TheFrog

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U need help! If u pick 10 people off the street and asked them to name 5 Prince songs that they have heard, they aint gonna say no dayum "Alphabet St." and U know that!


I know quite a few non-fans who know and like Alphabet St.


Me too. Everyone seems to know Little Red Corvette, Purple Rain, Kiss, 1999, Alphabet Street, Gett Off, Cream, Diamonds & Pearls etc. etc. Definitely Alphabet Street is up there.
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Reply #31 posted 05/23/04 6:53am

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DigitalGardin said:

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They remember Alphabet St.


U need help! If u pick 10 people off the street and asked them to name 5 Prince songs that they have heard, they aint gonna say no dayum "Alphabet St." and U know that!



So what? If you asked them if they knew who made Alphabet St., many would know. If you went out and asked who made Musicology, most would be scratching their heads. Do you fuckin understand yet, or no?
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Reply #32 posted 05/23/04 6:57am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

DigitalGardin said:



U need help! If u pick 10 people off the street and asked them to name 5 Prince songs that they have heard, they aint gonna say no dayum "Alphabet St." and U know that!



So what? If you asked them if they knew who made Alphabet St., many would know. If you went out and asked who made Musicology, most would be scratching their heads. Do you fuckin understand yet, or no?


EvilWhiteMale what I do know is that they will be playing AVALANCHE at yo funeral Abe!
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Reply #33 posted 05/23/04 7:09am

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EvilWhiteMale what I do know is that they will be playing AVALANCHE at yo funeral Abe!



Again, you act as though that's supposed to mean something to me.
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Reply #34 posted 05/23/04 7:16am

DigitalGardin

EvilWhiteMale said:

DigitalGardin said:

EvilWhiteMale what I do know is that they will be playing AVALANCHE at yo funeral Abe!



Again, you act as though that's supposed to mean something to me.


Thats right..my bad. It didnt mean nothing to Abe Lincoln so why would I expect it to mean something to you. You are right Evil WHITE Male
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Reply #35 posted 05/23/04 7:26am

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DigitalGardin said:

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They remember Alphabet St.


U need help! If u pick 10 people off the street and asked them to name 5 Prince songs that they have heard, they aint gonna say no dayum "Alphabet St." and U know that!


But they might put it in the top 10! I guess it depends how old you were when Alphabet Street came out. If you were at least in your mid-teens at the time it came out, you probably would have fond memories of it. If you are young and only just got into Prince in recent years, you probably won't understand how popular some of his greatest hits were.
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Reply #36 posted 05/23/04 7:33am

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Thats right..my bad. It didnt mean nothing to Abe Lincoln so why would I expect it to mean something to you. You are right Evil WHITE Male



So are you done yet?
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Reply #37 posted 05/23/04 9:02am

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DigitalGardin said:



Thats right..my bad. It didnt mean nothing to Abe Lincoln so why would I expect it to mean something to you. You are right Evil WHITE Male



So are you done yet?

No I aint done..
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Reply #38 posted 05/23/04 9:47am

NME

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I say terribly wrong because most people really aren't diggin Prince's sound these days. A commercial success would be an album that not just makes the charts, but is remembered. No one will remember Musicology.

Forget a commercial success..that means nothing musically. "Dirty Mind" wasnt a commercial success and if you ask the average Joe on the street to name their favorite or most memorable Prince album, I doubt if "Dirty Mind" is mentioned but that doesnt take away from the fact that "Dirty Mind" is a musical toure de force...one day people will cease being defined by Billboard and what people "remember." confused


but Dirty Mind IS remembered. how many artists namecheck that album when it comes to prince..? LOADS. it was very influential and the whole image was raw and.... prince through and through.
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Reply #39 posted 05/23/04 1:07pm

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but Dirty Mind IS remembered. how many artists namecheck that album when it comes to prince..? LOADS. it was very influential and the whole image was raw and.... prince through and through.



Go to the streets and ask random people what Dirty Mind is.


I love the album, but it wasn't a huge commercial success. Prince was still just getting established.
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Reply #40 posted 05/23/04 1:35pm

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Not in a squillion years. Rave isn't a patch on musicology. Rave has two or three great tracks and a lot of duff. Musicology is much more consistent. I see Rave and Musicology both being overtly attempting to be commercial, but the latter is waaaaay more successful than the former. IMO.


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Too true.

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic was, unfortunately, Prince at a creative low. It had to happen at some point in his career.

It's thankfully the only time that it's happened, but for some reason, for this album he was clearly un-inspired (Break-up with Mayte, perhaps?).
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Reply #41 posted 05/23/04 1:41pm

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cool It depends on how you look at it. Rave was not really marketed well. He did not go all out for this project. The attempts he did was that MTV TRL thing & the concert airing on pay per view. I think Rave would have definitely done better if was pushed more. Musicology had a lot of backing before it even hit tha stores. The set up doing the Grammies & all was a great move. I do not care if he says that he did the show because he was asked, it was good plublicity. The fact that he was also being inducted in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame was another good push toward the album. The tour guaranteed that the album would be a hit. I personally do not think Rave would have been as successful as Musicoloy. But, i do think it could of done much better than it did do considering it was also a pop friendly album. music
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Reply #42 posted 05/23/04 1:51pm

NME

easily. Musicology's sucsess is purley driven by marketing and publicity. both of which he would have got if he and Arista had continued witht he Rave project.

people need to admit that when you buy an album (unlesss you are a fan) you have no-idea what it sounds like..... at the most you make have heard a single off the radio, but the album is still 90% unheard material. this notion of people buying Musicology cos it's a good album is bullshit. they are buying cos the publicty and they are familiar with prince's PAST music.
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Reply #43 posted 05/23/04 2:04pm

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easily. Musicology's sucsess is purley driven by marketing and publicity. both of which he would have got if he and Arista had continued witht he Rave project.

people need to admit that when you buy an album (unlesss you are a fan) you have no-idea what it sounds like..... at the most you make have heard a single off the radio, but the album is still 90% unheard material. this notion of people buying Musicology cos it's a good album is bullshit. they are buying cos the publicty and they are familiar with prince's PAST music.


Right on.
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Reply #44 posted 05/23/04 2:18pm

DigitalGardin

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easily. Musicology's sucsess is purley driven by marketing and publicity. both of which he would have got if he and Arista had continued witht he Rave project.

people need to admit that when you buy an album (unlesss you are a fan) you have no-idea what it sounds like..... at the most you make have heard a single off the radio, but the album is still 90% unheard material. this notion of people buying Musicology cos it's a good album is bullshit. they are buying cos the publicty and they are familiar with prince's PAST music.



EXACTLY! I agree 110 percent. This CD is not selling off its own merits. Its selling off of publicity and the fact that most people thought Prince retired in the mid 90's. I HATE U was Prince's last across the board hit and that was in 1995. To the average listener, this is Prince's first album since then.
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Reply #45 posted 05/23/04 3:18pm

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ONLY if things were done differently....

1) Prince had the Musicology video already in the can before the single came out...the video for Greatest Romance didn't finish until almost 2 months after the single first aired on radio. In fact, I don't think the video for that song was done until after the album was released, was it??..

2) Prince's performance with Beyonce' can NOT be underestimated in it's significance in Musicology's success so far. On the Grammys, Prince did more with that "collaboration" than he did with all the collaborations on Rave combined. When Kurt Loder wrote something to the effect of "Why isn't this guy performing on award shows more often??...Can somebody please correct that? Please?", he wasn't just speaking for himself...many other critics and musicians came away thinking the same thing. You know how many of us Prince fans say that you can take a nonfan to a Prince concert, and they'll be blown away by it and become fans? Well, the Grammys was like taking the entire U.S. population to a Prince concert, and listening to them afterwards talk about how great he is...

3) Prince's guitar solo at the RRHOF on "When My Guitar Gently Weeps" shouldn't be underestimated, either. That performance sealed in Prince as being THE talked-about musical artist of the year among industry insiders...suddenly speaking highly of Prince's God-given talents and skills seemed more imprtant than focusing on his billboard sales. Most critics desired to show respect towards him as a mucisian instead of ridiculing him as a pop star. And it showed that the Grammys performance was no fluke...the mf can still play his ass off.

4) Prince is touring (and touring the STATES!) in connection with Musicology--and this is the important part--as the Musicology single and CD are being released to retail. With Rave, Prince performed one or two songs that weren't even being released as singles on talk shows in other countries...but that's it.

5) Something other than "Greatest Romance Ever Sold" would have needed to be released as the lead-off single...while "Musicology" might not be in the league of "When Doves Cry", it does have enough rhythm and snap to it to remind casual Prince fans of what he's capable of.
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Reply #46 posted 05/23/04 3:26pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

DigitalGardin said:

EvilWhiteMale what I do know is that they will be playing AVALANCHE at yo funeral Abe!



Again, you act as though that's supposed to mean something to me.


EWM, why are you in such a bad mood all the time????
u & me, we got mad chemisty
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Reply #47 posted 05/23/04 3:27pm

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EWM, why are you in such a bad mood all the time????



Actually I'm rarely in a bad mood.
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Reply #48 posted 05/23/04 3:29pm

DigitalGardin

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EvilWhiteMale said:




Again, you act as though that's supposed to mean something to me.


EWM, why are you in such a bad mood all the time????

He's just taking his inabilities to get a woman out on Prince's music and TRUE fans
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Reply #49 posted 05/23/04 3:30pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

preciosa863 said:


EWM, why are you in such a bad mood all the time????



Actually I'm rarely in a bad mood.


sorry, but u could have fooled me....do u need some xoxox's???
u & me, we got mad chemisty
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Reply #50 posted 05/23/04 3:32pm

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preciosa863 said:

EvilWhiteMale said:




Actually I'm rarely in a bad mood.


sorry, but u could have fooled me....do u need some xoxox's???



Why, are you hot?
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Reply #51 posted 05/23/04 3:33pm

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DigitalGardin said:

preciosa863 said:



EWM, why are you in such a bad mood all the time????

He's just taking his inabilities to get a woman out on Prince's music and TRUE fans



Look child, if that theory helps you sleep at night, then go with it.
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Reply #52 posted 05/23/04 3:35pm

DigitalGardin

EvilWhiteMale said:

DigitalGardin said:


He's just taking his inabilities to get a woman out on Prince's music and TRUE fans



Look child, if that theory helps you sleep at night, then go with it.

lol wink biggrin its obvious that u r lonely. Dont be mad because I could see that a mile away
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Reply #53 posted 05/23/04 3:37pm

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DigitalGardin said:

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Look child, if that theory helps you sleep at night, then go with it.

lol wink biggrin its obvious that u r lonely. Dont be mad because I could see that a mile away



Then you may need Lasik eye surgery. Go for it.
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Reply #54 posted 05/23/04 5:28pm

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heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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