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PrintableSupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You can clearly hear his own musical influences throughout this album. I hear reminders of Dolphin, Judas Smile, 3 Chains of Gold to name a few.
There are 2 distinct avenues you can go with this in mind. 1-Prince knew that he'd have a huge wave to ride on this album. Inducted into the hall of fame, a concert to highlight that fact, touring with the hits for the last time. I have thought that perhaps Prince peppered this disc with sounds we are familiar with so that he could kind of give the "average" listener, one who might have lost touch with him during the symbol years, a taste of what they had missed. This album is an easy listen. Not a lot of complexity. Which is what the casual listening fan needs. Just look at the music market, full of trash. That's just what people are used to. 2-Prince was lazy and put minimal effort into this album. Prince could create this album in his sleep. Easily. I vote for option #1. He wanted an album to appeal to the masses without totally 'selling out'. Also, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that Prince samples his OWN music/uses his own influences. He doesn't look to 70's funk riffs to create all his grooves (okay, ~some~ times..). And I LOVE the fact that a great song will/can have several variations. A lot of the b-sides used the same beats as the a-side songs, but different lyrics/arrangments (eg. horny toad/delirious, many others). So you get several songs out of one great groove. I was listening to his current tour version of DMSR and heard (in my discman) that the keyboard line was HIDE THE BONE. | |
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How can we take the concept of "Musicology" seriously when the 'teacher' sez he'd never heard "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" till this year?  | |
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Anxiety said: How can we take the concept of "Musicology" seriously when the 'teacher' sez he'd never heard "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" till this year?
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Anxiety said: How can we take the concept of "Musicology" seriously when the 'teacher' sez he'd never heard "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" till this year?
Good point. I find that hard to believe anyway, dont you?  VOTE....EARLY | |
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I'm getting a little tired of this arrogant, elistist stance of attempting to "school" everyone as if Prince is the only source of music period. There has been plenty of good music to hit the market aside from his. Musicology is not that impressive of a record as it stands and though he almost always brings it live, the whole world isn't going to change just because he says so. I liked him better when he wasn't trying to school people and he was just DOING IT. Wish he'd go back to adopting THAT policy. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Don't get me wrong, I like Musicology. It's an enjoyable album, but overall the musicianship is lacking. Musically The Rainbow Children blows Musicology out of the water in demonstrating what real music is supposed to sound like. The use of the band on that album is what makes it an easy listen, even when one has issues with some of the lyrical content and spirit in which that album was born.
I just kinda thought it was odd that this tour seeks to show people that real musicians can make real music.....well why not do that on the CD as well? He certainly has the band for it. Prince went totally safe with Musicology. It's easily digestible and not very challenging. Hopefully the next gig won't be so safe. I really want Prince to grab both balls in his hand and go for it. As Prince once said....Testicles 1-2. Get those balls back baby!
. [This message was edited Fri May 21 10:27:10 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] Of course TRC is better musically, but look how many people on this site hate it, and they are the die hards. He could not have gotten the promotion for TRC that he's gotten with Musicology. It is safe, but it's working. It's the biggest thing since Diamonds & Pearls (another not so exciting album). And while I would not have minded a more "live" sounding album, it really is a real musician doing real music, as someone pointed out. Check this song out at:
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andyman91 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Don't get me wrong, I like Musicology. It's an enjoyable album, but overall the musicianship is lacking. Musically The Rainbow Children blows Musicology out of the water in demonstrating what real music is supposed to sound like. The use of the band on that album is what makes it an easy listen, even when one has issues with some of the lyrical content and spirit in which that album was born.
I just kinda thought it was odd that this tour seeks to show people that real musicians can make real music.....well why not do that on the CD as well? He certainly has the band for it. Prince went totally safe with Musicology. It's easily digestible and not very challenging. Hopefully the next gig won't be so safe. I really want Prince to grab both balls in his hand and go for it. As Prince once said....Testicles 1-2. Get those balls back baby!
. [This message was edited Fri May 21 10:27:10 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] Of course TRC is better musically, but look how many people on this site hate it, and they are the die hards. He could not have gotten the promotion for TRC that he's gotten with Musicology. It is safe, but it's working. It's the biggest thing since Diamonds & Pearls (another not so exciting album). And while I would not have minded a more "live" sounding album, it really is a real musician doing real music, as someone pointed out. The music isn't why people dislike TRC. It just seems odd that all this talk about "real" music and then he aint got much of it on display on the album. His campaign is all about "real" music by "real" musicians and you know that doesn't mean studio wizardry. To be honest there really isn't any of that on the CD either. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I think whatever Prince does is REAL Music compared to other artists. | |
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Starmist7 said: I think whatever Prince does is REAL Music compared to other artists.
That tends to be true. However all the talk about "real" music and then not showcasing "real" music on the CD is like talking up your homemade recipe for Macaroni & Cheese only to drag out the generic add water to the cheese brand.  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: That tends to be true. However all the talk about "real" music and then not showcasing "real" music on the CD is like talking up your homemade recipe for Macaroni & Cheese only to drag out the generic add water to the cheese brand.
I thought the fact alone that he's using REAL instruments makes the call for real music & everything else that comes with it, that many artists do not have & that has been lacking in the industry that Prince always did have & STILL has...what exactly are you not finding that's not 'real'...is there a point that's missing?... [This message was edited Fri May 21 17:57:54 2004 by Starmist7] | |
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Starmist7 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: That tends to be true. However all the talk about "real" music and then not showcasing "real" music on the CD is like talking up your homemade recipe for Macaroni & Cheese only to drag out the generic add water to the cheese brand.
I thought the fact alone that he's using REAL instruments makes the call for real music & everything else that comes with it, that many artists do not have & that has been lacking in the industry that Prince always did have & still has...what exactly are you not finding that's not 'real'...is there a point that's missing?... He's pushing "Musicianship" and the musicians ability to wield their instrument as a weapon of sorts. He's pushing the fact that you don't hear "real" instruments any more and then the CD is chock full of studio tracks. There are many artists that create incredible music without conventional instruments. That doesn't make them lesser songs. I appreciate Prince's point that as a general rule, the music cranked out by the music industry tends to seriously lack in the "real" music department but there are many independent musicians out there making "real" music without "real" instruments/bands. I just kinda think it's odd that Prince is hyping real musicians and real instruments and then not really utilizing them on his album. . [This message was edited Fri May 21 18:07:05 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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...that's true...I also think a lot of the songs that were made not using the real stuff are just as good as the best ones...maybe he has some kind of philosophy to explain how he's promoting the album with that saying...but for me, I think he's entitled to it, really...but maybe it's something more...I'm not a musical expert, so sometimes I cannot really tell when he's using real instruments or not, but I thought that was the case for 'Musicology', if not, dam* those tracks sound so GOOD!!!  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:03017c79ea]I'm getting a little tired of this arrogant, elistist stance of attempting to "school" everyone as if Prince is the only source of music period. There has been plenty of good music to hit the market aside from his. Musicology is not that impressive of a record as it stands and though he almost always brings it live, the whole world isn't going to change just because he says so. I liked him better when he wasn't trying to school people and he was just DOING IT. Wish he'd go back to adopting THAT policy.[/color]
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: andyman91 said: Of course TRC is better musically, but look how many people on this site hate it, and they are the die hards. He could not have gotten the promotion for TRC that he's gotten with Musicology. It is safe, but it's working. It's the biggest thing since Diamonds & Pearls (another not so exciting album). And while I would not have minded a more "live" sounding album, it really is a real musician doing real music, as someone pointed out. The music isn't why people dislike TRC. It just seems odd that all this talk about "real" music and then he aint got much of it on display on the album. His campaign is all about "real" music by "real" musicians and you know that doesn't mean studio wizardry. To be honest there really isn't any of that on the CD either. I get your point--he uses synthesized horns instead of real ones. But a synthesizer is a "real" instrument, and Prince is a real musician. Prince plays "real" drums on this album more than he has in a long time. Most of the songs he doesn't play drums on, John Plays real drums. I love TRC, but my point is that only a couple of songs are easily digestable to the public. Other than mello, she loves me for me, last december & the Work I don't think any of them are radio friendly, & I don't think any of those are great single material. TRC is meant to be taken as a whole Musicology is all short pop songs that could conceivably be played on the radio. And it is mostly the work of one real musician, unlike most stuff on the radio, which has a bunch of studio musicians backing some untalented model-type. I have said this before; Musicology is not a response to what his own music lacks, it is a response to what top forty radio lacks. In that sense it is about the most musical thing out there. Check this song out at:
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andyman91 said: I have said this before; Musicology is not a response to what his own music lacks, it is a response to what top forty radio lacks. In that sense it is about the most musical thing out there.
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Supa -- how could you?
Are you saying that when Prince was in his basement recording 1999, he wasn't making "real music"? Because there's little difference between what Prince did on most Musicology tracks and how he was working from Dirty Mind to 1999 -- mostly alone, with programmed beats mied with live drums, synths, etc. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:03017c79ea]I'm getting a little tired of this arrogant, elistist stance of attempting to "school" everyone as if Prince is the only source of music period. There has been plenty of good music to hit the market aside from his. Musicology is not that impressive of a record as it stands and though he almost always brings it live, the whole world isn't going to change just because he says so. I liked him better when he wasn't trying to school people and he was just DOING IT. Wish he'd go back to adopting THAT policy.[/color]
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Aerogram said: Supa -- how could you?
Are you saying that when Prince was in his basement recording 1999, he wasn't making "real music"? Because there's little difference between what Prince did on most Musicology tracks and how he was working from Dirty Mind to 1999 -- mostly alone, with programmed beats mied with live drums, synths, etc. Not at all. I'm not one of those people that disregard a song because it lacks "real" instruments. I couldn't disagree more. Some of the most amazing music out there is all programmed. My point is that he's pushing "real" musicianship and then putting out a "studio" album, one that has programming instead of live time band instrumentation. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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I can't believe so many people are still missing the point. Prince is not relying on computers to do the work for him. You can still be a great musician while utilizing the studio. Musicology isn't about using only live instruments when recording. He's simply referencing the fact that many artists nowadays rely on the studio instead of really putting it to use in an interesting way. In addition, I do believe that the live show is what the Musicology concept is driven by, but the album can also serve as a lesson in songwriting. Nobody is saying that Prince is the one and only authority on this, but I do believe he is a worthy musical mentor for anyone who is willing to listen. | |
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