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Thread started 05/15/04 7:13pm

NEWPOWERBABY

a interesting perspective of the lyrics I would die 4 u

okay y'all i thought this would be interesting, to add to the myth that prince is the devil's son. when i was listening to I would die 4 u the other, my cousin said it sounds like he says I would devil u. I always thought this song had some kind of sulbiminal message as in most songs on the purple rain album , but how can sometbing evil be so beautiful ? well anywas check out the new version to I would die 4 u..(pay attention to the bold letters.


" I Would devil u "
Prince
( Purple Rain )


I'm not a woman
I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand
I'll never beat u
I'll never lie
And if you're evil I'll forgive u by and by

U - I would devil u, yeah
Darling if u want me 2
U - I would devil u

I'm not your lover
I'm not your friend
I am something that you'll never comprehend

No need 2 worry
No need 2 cry
I'm your MESASIAH and you're the reason why

'Cuz U - I would devil u , yeah
Darling if u want me 2
U - I would devil u

You're just a sinner I am told
Be your fire when you're cold
Make u happy when you're sad
Make u good when u are bad

I'm not a human
I am a dove
I'm your conscious
I am love
All I really need is 2 know that
U believe

Yeah, I would devil u , yeah
Darling if u want me 2
U - I would devil u

Yeah, say one more time

U - I would devil u
Darling if u want me 2
U -I would devil u
2 3 4 U

I would devil u
I would devil u
U - I would devil u
U - I would devil

does that just gives u the creeps after looking at that way ? they say the devil was beautiful

eek evillol

purple rain edit
[This message was edited Sat May 15 19:17:30 2004 by NEWPOWERBABY]
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Reply #1 posted 05/15/04 7:23pm

squirrelgrease

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If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #2 posted 05/15/04 7:26pm

Jasziah

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The persona of the lyrics is Jesus -- dig it?
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Reply #3 posted 05/15/04 7:27pm

NEWPOWERBABY

the first verse just reminds me of how the devil would introduce himself. Remember when he appeared as a snake in the garden and talked to eve, he tried to make it seem as if he was her friend by the promise he made, although it was really a lie and he was full of deception, then made a promise which made it pleasing to the ears and eye. Just pay attention to the lyrics u'll see what I mean.

I'm not a woman
I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand
I'll never beat u
I'll never lie
And if you're evil I'll forgive u by and by


then it goes into saying I would die 4 u

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Reply #4 posted 05/15/04 7:34pm

Mizzunderstood

NEWPOWERBABY said:

the first verse just reminds me of how the devil would introduce himself. Remember when he appeared as a snake in the garden and talked to eve, he tried to make it seem as if he was her friend by the promise he made, although it was really a lie and he was full of deception, then made a promise which made it pleasing to the ears and eye. Just pay attention to the lyrics u'll see what I mean.

I'm not a woman
I'm not a man
I am something that you'll never understand
I'll never beat u
I'll never lie
And if you're evil I'll forgive u by and by


then it goes into saying I would die 4 u

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eek

that's some deep shit
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Reply #5 posted 05/15/04 7:38pm

Starmist7

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Reply #6 posted 05/15/04 7:41pm

Zelaira

Sick and Wrong on Every account. It's a Beautiful Religious song.
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Reply #7 posted 05/15/04 7:44pm

MrSquiggle

I'm going to jump in ahead of Dansa:

if you think any deeper, you'll fall through straight to china.
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Reply #8 posted 05/15/04 7:49pm

NEWPOWERBABY

MrSquiggle said:

I'm going to jump in ahead of Dansa:

if you think any deeper, you'll fall through straight to china.

lol
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Reply #9 posted 05/15/04 9:11pm

Kissmequick

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Jasziah said:

The persona of the lyrics is Jesus -- dig it?



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pray God bless everyone. NO exceptions. pray
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Reply #10 posted 05/15/04 9:40pm

EverlastingNow

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Zelaira said:

Sick and Wrong on Every account. It's a Beautiful Religious song.



Correction....beautiful SPIRITUAL song, religion has nothing to do with it.
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Reply #11 posted 05/16/04 1:34am

diamond99

EverlastingNow said:

Zelaira said:

Sick and Wrong on Every account. It's a Beautiful Religious song.



Correction....beautiful SPIRITUAL song, religion has nothing to do with it.



True, Spiritual, not Religious. Why is it that most people have a hard time distinguishing between Religion and Spirituality.
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Reply #12 posted 05/16/04 2:10am

NEWPOWERBABY

diamond99 said:

EverlastingNow said:




Correction....beautiful SPIRITUAL song, religion has nothing to do with it.



True, Spiritual, not Religious. Why is it that most people have a hard time distinguishing between Religion and Spirituality.

easy the word GOD
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Reply #13 posted 05/16/04 4:06am

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Actually it IS a RELIGIOUS song, it's sung from the point of view of Jesus / God.
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Reply #14 posted 05/16/04 6:31am

NouveauDance

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BorisFishpaw said:

Actually it IS a RELIGIOUS song, it's sung from the point of view of Jesus / God.


This has always been my take on the song too.
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Reply #15 posted 05/16/04 1:50pm

diamond99

BorisFishpaw said:

Actually it IS a RELIGIOUS song, it's sung from the point of view of Jesus / God.


That does not make it a Religious song. But if you insist, what religion is he referring to in this song; Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Morman... ?

Because when I hear it, I don't hear him singing about any particular religion, just spirituality.
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Reply #16 posted 05/16/04 1:50pm

danielboon

eek an interesting thread for a wee change !
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Reply #17 posted 05/16/04 1:58pm

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diamond99 said:

That does not make it a Religious song. But if you insist, what religion is he referring to in this song; Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Morman... ?

Because when I hear it, I don't hear him singing about any particular religion, just spirituality.


Since the song is from a Jesus/God POV then that most certainly makes it religious, as it follows a Judeo-Christian mindset in particular. Just because he's not hitting you over the head with the word "Christian" in every other verse, that doesn't change it.

It's not an open-ended spiritual song that could apply to all beliefs, it has a specific focus and belief system attached.
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Reply #18 posted 05/16/04 5:02pm

diamond99

jtfolden said:

diamond99 said:

That does not make it a Religious song. But if you insist, what religion is he referring to in this song; Catholic, Baptist, Muslim, Morman... ?

Because when I hear it, I don't hear him singing about any particular religion, just spirituality.


Since the song is from a Jesus/God POV then that most certainly makes it religious, as it follows a Judeo-Christian mindset in particular. Just because he's not hitting you over the head with the word "Christian" in every other verse, that doesn't change it.

It's not an open-ended spiritual song that could apply to all beliefs, it has a specific focus and belief system attached.



And where exactly do you get that it is from a Jesus/God POV. It appears to be from a higher power POV, but you are assuming that it is Jesus/God. No where in the lyrics does it mention God/Jesus or anything Judeo-Christian.

Unless of course you are referring to "I am a dove". Because I distinctly remember the Bible stating that God resembles a Dove. And that is why when Jesus was born, he came from an egg. That was the sign God gave to all the people that this was his son. Only God's son could be born of an egg because the Bible states that God resembles a dove.

Don't get it twisted, you are just assuming that Prince is referring to Jesus/God because he is from the U.S.A. If Prince was from the Middle East, it would be just as easy to assume that he was referring to Allah.
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Reply #19 posted 05/16/04 6:12pm

Universaluv

diamond99 said:



And where exactly do you get that it is from a Jesus/God POV. It appears to be from a higher power POV, but you are assuming that it is Jesus/God. No where in the lyrics does it mention God/Jesus or anything Judeo-Christian.

Unless of course you are referring to "I am a dove". Because I distinctly remember the Bible stating that God resembles a Dove. And that is why when Jesus was born, he came from an egg. That was the sign God gave to all the people that this was his son. Only God's son could be born of an egg because the Bible states that God resembles a dove.

Don't get it twisted, you are just assuming that Prince is referring to Jesus/God because he is from the U.S.A. If Prince was from the Middle East, it would be just as easy to assume that he was referring to Allah.


The fact that Prince was actually raised and professed to be a Christian may also have something to do with that "assumption"..


Oh, are you actually saying that Jesus hatched from an egg??? neutral
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Reply #20 posted 05/16/04 6:14pm

Supernova

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BorisFishpaw said:

Actually it IS a RELIGIOUS song, it's sung from the point of view of Jesus / God.

Muchas gracias.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #21 posted 05/16/04 7:00pm

diamond99

Universaluv said:


Oh, are you actually saying that Jesus hatched from an egg??? neutral



No, I was trying to be sarcastic. Just pointing out that people make too many automatic assumtions.
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Reply #22 posted 05/16/04 7:43pm

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diamond99 said:

Don't get it twisted, you are just assuming that Prince is referring to Jesus/God because he is from the U.S.A. If Prince was from the Middle East, it would be just as easy to assume that he was referring to Allah.


No, I'm not getting anything twisted. ...but you're jumping through some pretty big hoops to disassociate the song from it's meaning. Do you have a problem with it being a religious song?
Prince is a self-professed Christian (it has nothing to do with him being from the USA), he sings about God/Jesus constantly, and this song is plainly sung from the POV of Jesus, the saviour - the messiah, who will forgive you of your sins and die for you. The imagery is all there.

Just because he doesn't toss in a name for you means nothing... this certainly isn't a universal song that would fit all faiths...but, hey, if you feel the need to identify with it from another POV, I'm sure Prince won't mind. I'm not a Christian so I could care less. lol
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Reply #23 posted 05/16/04 7:46pm

Universaluv

diamond99 said:

Universaluv said:


Oh, are you actually saying that Jesus hatched from an egg??? neutral



No, I was trying to be sarcastic. Just pointing out that people make too many automatic assumtions.


Ah, well I didn't want to assume that you weren't serious. wink

Well, again considering the religious histpory of the author I don't think it's much of a leap. It's actually a pretty well accepted interpretation of the lyrics.
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Reply #24 posted 05/16/04 7:52pm

mrdespues

sorry but this is pretty nuts
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Reply #25 posted 05/17/04 12:38am

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Groan! Here we go again. Just LISTEN and WATCH him sing it live. You can see it on the HITS DVD WB put out a few years ago. He does the same thing with Purple Rain when he sings it live. Quit making us(Christians) look bad.
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Reply #26 posted 05/17/04 6:42am

MightBQueen

diamond99 said:

That was the sign God gave to all the people that this was his son. Only God's son could be born of an egg because the Bible states that God resembles a dove.


I believe that was in reference to the Holy Spirit, specifically.
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Reply #27 posted 05/17/04 8:11am

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jstarr2000 said:

Quit making us(Christians) look bad.

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Reply #28 posted 05/17/04 8:30am

Redayh

When he does this song on the Musicology tour, Prince changes the lyrics to: "He's your Messiah, and you're the reason why," and points skyward.
Filthy cute and baby U know it
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Reply #29 posted 05/17/04 9:51am

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P probably considers the way he originally wrote the lyrics (most defintely with Jesus as the speaker) as a somewhat arrogant approach. Not true from where I sit, but hey. It's also very apt to be misunderstood -- "O, he thinks he's the Messiah!"

The business about the Devil is utter garbage.

"Meth" -- the perfect response!
Every now and then
There comes a time you must defend
Your right to die and live again --
And again, and again...
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