strawberrydreams said:

Correction, many ppl are hating on Prince cause he decided to get CLOSER to a CULT, BIG difference. Thats fine if he's trying to get closer to God, but joining a VERY close minded cult that makes up stuff is not cool in the eyes of true Christians.

onediva said:

Actually the 7th Day adventists were founded about 30 years (1844) prior to the JW's (1872). And they have fundamentally different beliefs.

To sum all of this up.....It doesn't matter how we serve God, just as long as we are serving him

"Have u had your plus sign 2day"

rudedog said:

Not to gore anybody's sacred cow (so to speak), but "true Christians" were originally viewed as a dangerous Jewish cult that followed a false messiah.

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Universaluv said:

As I said before I had read the comment about his mother in an article. But that's neither here nor there. I have to say that I'm not bashing JW per say, but I just can't get with the program. Nor did I say they were less worthy.

I do take several issues with the group including that it's founder, C.T. Russell, predicted a final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the establishment of the Kingdom of God, would be compleated by 1914. That was 90 years ago. They also teach that only 144,000 can actualy go to Heaven. Also, those who do not go on to Heaven after the resurrection, will be God's subjects in a new paradise on earth, without having to be born again. John 3:3 clearly states that only man born again can see the Kingdom of God. I could go on with this, but this is not the proper forum, nor do I make it my business to speak about politics or religion on this site.

I do not knock him for wanting to walk closer to God. I too would love to walk with Him as well. However, I know that we all fall short and must try daily to make that journey possible.

Peace and love to you all.

17ways69days said:

Man, it aint about JW being a cult. It's about Prince's music and the effect that being a JW has on it.

strawberrydreams said:

How 'bout that!!

Kissmequick said:

Cool. Now just to be clear,

1. You said you weren't sure about Prince's mother's religion, so I responded with what I have read.

2. I never said that you thought JW's were less worthy. You took issue with why they interpret ("tinker with") the Bible differently, and I said that the motives behind their interpretation of the Bible are no less worthy than other interpretations of the Bible.

3. I'm not even gonna get into what the Bible does or does not "clearly" say cause you are right, this ain't the forum for that. Except thats somethin that people have been disagreeing about for a couple of thousand years now.


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I have just recently become a member of this site, and I am amazed with how many people are hating on Prince because he has decided to get closer to God.
To me that is something that we should admire the man for, not put down.
So to all may fellow Prince fans out there, my question to you would be this: if You cared so much about him then why would you want him to do things that would possibly destroy his soul? Like you I to "sometimes" miss his "royal badness", but he said himself on the BET interview that he has "gotten older" and you know what, he has probably gotten a lot wiser. Maybe we could all learn something from him. In closing I have been a Prince fan since the age of thirteen, and it seems to me he has always put religion in his music.....so what is the big deal?





Well said ... but that is what makes Prince so special as he doesnt want to live in the past like most other artists IE The Stones , he wants to move on and make good new music and I respect him for that. He has far to much talent to not move forward as all his career he has experimented with different styles of music .... so whos to say that he wont return to his old ways one day. But if the does it will be when he is ready and not before that.

well, I don't care what the man believes so no hate here...but I do think believing in the Easter Bunny is stupid and makes me wonder about his sanity

Universaluv said:

Thank you for your response.

1) no harm, no foul on my part or yours

2) understood

3) this is very true indeed!

Peace and love to you

I LOVE PRINCE.ORG
LET'S ALL JUST HAVE A GROUP HUG

Universaluv said:

You are so right! In my haste to post I meant to say that the first noted leader of Jehovah's Witness, Charles Taze Russell studied other religions such as Adventists, Presbyterian, and a lot of other religions. There was a connection between William Miller (Adventist leader) & Russell just have to dig again to make the correct reference. I remember reading all of this in a book. Miller predicted the end of the world and it did not happen and that period was called I believe the "Great Disappointment". The congregation supposedly broke into two different religions. Thus spuring what is now known as "7th Day Adventist" & "Jehovah's Witness". I don't know just a few tidbits of what I have read. Don't know what is definitely true. I do remember that Charles Taze Russell's life made for a very interesting read. He was something else if the information I have read was correct.

prince can't go around acting like a horny teenager at age 45 and older i mean the man has been there done that all of you that missed out ...sorry for you ..i mean come on at some point and time in anybodys life sex is just not everything ... and on the religion i feel that everyone has his or her right to believe in what ever it is that makes them a better person and closer to god...and as far as prince mixing religion and his sexually charged songs with GOD i never was comfortable with that i would always skip those parts in all his songs .to me it is playing with GOD a form of blasfemy if i spelled that right..you just cant be a devil and doing all the sinful things in the world and then put GOD in your sinful songs its just wrong i feel thats why prince was haveing some bad luck .....i mean GOD dont like ugly so now he knows he better wise up or its hell he will go ...like the rest of us in a hand basket if we don't like him get our acts together..hope i did not offend anyone

delectable137 said:

what is it to gain the world have all the riches in it and lose your soul in eternal life...

delectable137 said:

well said delectable137

yes....and also recalling from one of the interviews, he made a comment about people wanting him to play like he used to & he said something like 'it's easy for you to say because you're not the one doing it', I think he said, 'I was there, they weren't', meaning he's the one going through it while we're just looking at it from the outside, so it's easer for them to just 'say', rather than doing...he's passing the time just like us, living & growing through experience, and what makes him true is that he puts his heart & soul into what he does & doesn't care what people say to a degree that other people or artists would. If he did, he would be trying hard to reiterate the past, and that's not what he's doing. He's just a GENUINE Genius...& that's greatly appreciated.
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I'm just not interested in that aspect of him. I don't care either way.

strawberrydreams said:

I think a lot of people are angry because he's a Jehovah's Witness.

You must admit, that many would've been happier if he'd been a Baptist, Methodist, or something else that's less fanatical and one that doesn't follow an organization that's govern by 13 men called "The Governing Body". It's so hard to wonder if the witness follow the bible or just whatever the "Faithful and Discreet" slave says about the bible and what God wants you to do.

So, I really think you should understand that we all want the best for ourselves and Prince. It's just that to change the words of a song, "The Cross", just to satisfy some interpretation that some organization made about the way Jesus died, well, that's pretty close to brainwashing. I think many people are concerned about that.

I for one am glad that he's different, although at first I was upset, but he's grown and he is still good at what he does. It's just that he should incorporate JW's beliefs into his music because many of his fans aren't interested in what the witnesses believe.

Peace

PS Org note me if you must.

GeSmi1

MightBQueen said:

I can really feel you on that point, MightBQueen.

GeSmi1
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Kissmequick said:

I agree.

I've been going to their meetings for a month and I can't get over their "brainwashing" technique.

They actually said that masturbation is fornication. Mind you, they didn't say that masturbation is just as bad as fornication. This "brother" actually said that at 1 Cor. 6:9 & 10 that the word fornication, in that text, actually includes exciting your bodily organs for sexual stimulation. I had to walk out on that point.

I kept going and still other things that were said from the podium popped up questionable in my mind.

I need to think outside of that box. Yes, the box that was made by 13 members of a governing body.

You mean no one else can see this?!

GeSmi1

youngyosh said:

delectable137 said:

That's silly.

We all know Prince's age and no one expects him to act like a teenager.

What we expect is not to be preached to and we don't expect someone to preach to us in their songs.

That's what the deal is.

I remember attending the 1998 concert "Jam of the Year" and before Prince sang, what was known as "The Cross", he states that "It's a shame that someone lied about the way someone died." Hello!!!!? Isn't that preaching. He even went on to state that stauros or starous (spelling?) was what he was impaled, not crucified on.

In that case, the word used for homosexuals actually mean, "soft men", but not all homosexuals are "Soft Men"...are we to think that it's okay to be homosexual?

He doesn't preach about that does he? Because he got all that from the "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society".

Tell the truth, not what someone else has told you to be the truth.

It's very unfair that fans that have been there for him before, during his lusty days, now have to be subjected to his preaching. We're his fans, not followers of the WBTS.

Peace.

I am glad that Prince has gotten God in his life and all, the only thing I am not too thrilled about is him trying to be all self-righteous and denouncing cussing when cussing has been going on before he came along and will continue now and after he's gone. When he was doing everything under the sun, he made no apologizes for it and he still doesn't. "I was a young man". Everybody that's doing it now is young too and just like him they have to make that decision on getting God in their life or to quit doing sinful stuff on their own just like he did.

If it wasn't for him going through what he has went through in these recent years, he would probably be doing the same thing, cussing and all. He doesn't have to have cursing in his songs and he doesn't have to be the rude be that he once was, but don't go denouncing everybody that shocks and does everything now because you done got older and can still do it, but can't do it like you used to, because they have to find their way just like he had to find his. He should stop trying to control everything and worry about his own soul, you can't save everybody elses.

That's the big issue about religion, you get these people (I'm not speaking about everybody that's in religion) that get into it and wanna judge everybody, but yet and still you don't want to be judged and you don't want anyone to hold your past (that you justify) against you. I'm glad for him, but cut this self-rightous crap out and motivate people instead of criticizing and judging them.

The key thing to remember is this is who he is NOW.
You can either come along for the ride or get off at the Nostalgia Bus Station.
"No harn, no foul, thanks for the ride. Let me know if you come this way again"

He never guaranteed the destination of this trip. Because it's HIS trip. We should be thankful we get to enjoy the ride for however long he and our ways converge.

So constantly thinking that who he was in the past or what he sang has anything to do with today is a mistake.

No hate. All Love. All God

Peace

GeSmi1 said:

You see GeSmi1, you and I are on the same page. I was raised protestant, but I studied with a jw I worked with and his "beliefs" were really far fetched, and not led by the Spirit.

When you are guided by the Spirit, you will have discernment. I knew exactly when to quit studying with him.

Believe me.... ANYONE (not just jw's) following a man-made religion is asking for trouble in their spiritual life. As a brother in Christ, I urge anyone interested, to follow the guidance of the Spirit while searching for the truth. I did, and I found it.

All will see who has the Truth, who God is backing. Religion today is bearing its fruit just as Jesus stated. Those who are not bearing good fruit will be cast off.
When the governments turn on all religious organizations, who's God will come to their add?

Jesus said there will be a great tribulation, one that has never happened before nor, will happen again. Yet, those days will be cut short due to the chosen ones.

A violent destruction will take place as governmental authorities will turn on organised religion.
Who will stand up in her defense?

Revelation 18- read up. the beast is the world governments, Babylon the Great is the religious institutions that mislead the earth.

GeSmi1 said:

i'm not sure what u meant about "soft men" and homosexuals. ????
but everything after that I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH.

-i DO NOT need ANYONE interpreting "the word of GOD", 4 me. i was born with a functioning
brain that is very capable of discerning information and discovering TRUTH, if sought.

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GeSmi1 said:

GeSmi1 said:

since when is saying something that you disagree with a "brainwashing technique?"

it's funny, but what the guy said isn't even scripturally accurate.

instead of walking out & coming to the org to bitch about it afterwards, why didn't you go to him after the meeting, and tell him what you knew?

more productive - not to mention helpful to others.

but maybe bitching about everything is more fun - for you, anyway.

i think you enjoy playing the martyr.