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PrintableWhy do you all even CARE what or how this dude thinks? He's an ENTERTAINER. That's it. Its not like he's wondering what any of you are thinking; only what you are spending. He's grown. Yep. He changed his mind. Yep. So what. We all do. I only care if he drops a great song. Beyond that, he's just a one of a vast array of artists who occupy my CD collection. I don't know him; he's not my friend and beyond admiration of his musical contributions, I have a LOT more to be worried about in life than what Prince thinks or says. I can't be the only one, can I? Theres nothoing wrong with cleaning up your act. Prince does it in an arrogant manner, but so be it. That's Prince for ya. He is who he is now, and I don't buy his sh*t anymore because in changing who he was, he lost some of what I liked that manifested itself in his music. So be it. | |
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SynthiaRose said: Universaluv said: Looking to rock stars to validate "shared beliefs" is rarely a good idea. Prince has simply moved on and to some extent is saying that he no longer wants to do some of the things he did 20 years ago. For someone who now gets criticized for relying on his past too much, you'd think that would be a good thing.Should he be forced to embrace a viewpoint that may have affected peoples lives even if he no longer holds that viewpoint? I'd rather the guy be true to himself where he is now. I agree that you can't really detach yourself from your past, but that doesn't mean you can't grow. If Prince has grown in a different direction than some of his fans, we'll that's just his journey. They'll just have to deal with it. . [This message was edited Fri May 7 10:51:11 2004 by Universaluv] Well "validate beliefs" is not an accurate description of what i want. I am looking for him to continue to share beliefs we once had in common. ... so he won't seem like a hypocrite. Growth doesn't mean you have to negate the past. If you stand secure in every decision you make, you don't have to regret anything as you grow. You recognize the beliefs you had in every phase of life were valid for that time and should be respected as such. I'm looking for him to continue to validate his past work ... not my beliefs. I don't understand the judging of one to be a hypocrite just because his views change over time. I used to womanize. Every relationship i ever had was ultimately ruined by my inability to stay monagamous. Now...Those were some great times that i can look back on fondly. But ultimately at a certain point in my 30's i found myself alone...and miserable because i had hurt so many along the way. I since found a lady that i'm faithful to and has become my wife. I no longer believe in disrespecting her by acting like a sex craved fool. I've matured...i've changed. Am i a hypocrite if i see a young person following in my footsteps and i mention that there might be a better way? That i was where they were at...that "i lived it"...and though i'm okay at the fact i did what i did and that doing so has made me a better, more informed person...I see now that i'm much happier since i "changed". So i won't tell you that you shouldn't do what you do...i'll just let you know that you may learn sometime that there's a more responsible way to act. And if your going to learn it sooner than later...i just want to give you a heads up that might help you learn it sooner. I coach high school basketball and if suggesting or "preaching" to my players that there is a better way to treat people and show them respect...while still having FUN (even though i was just like them back in the day)...makes me a hypocrite...then I can live with that. It's a risk i'm willing to take in exchange for maybe helping a teen not go through all the bumps in the road i did...the rewards are to great not to risk it. I would imagine P. feels his beliefs in how to educate the many is worth the risk of losing the respect of the few. I say more power to him and i only hope his lesson gets through to the majority and not the minority. p.s. i'm not a j.w. and i curse all the time in the appropriate setting...my fav P. song is still Sexy M.F. I just respect his opinion to be what he needs to be at this stage in his life and i don't need him to change it just to make "ME" happy. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said:[quote] skywalker said: you said: He is saying that he already did everything that was good and raunchy and he is over it. So anyone else who's gonna try to be dirty nowadays is simply unoriginal and not as good at being bad as he was anyway.
...which ain't what he's sayin at all. not even close. he's not the only person in the music biz who has had freaky notions in their songs n'such. his name might be one someone would think of right away if they were asked, "who sang some freaky sex shit back in the day?" but overall? not in the least. there is always someone or somethin out there that is freakier than the freakiest freak. So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor? [This message was edited Fri May 7 15:46:50 2004 by skywalker] "New Power slide...." |
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He used to frown on it. Now he's seemed to have reached a rational balance on the subject. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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On another web forum with a thread about Prince, the other day someone posted, "You can only sing about pussy juice for so long before it gets tired, and finally, embarrassing." Of course I countered by saying that writing Prince off with that arguement shows scant knowledge of his work, since he stopped doing that about a decade ago. But that guy's misconception of Prince is a common one, and another reason he probably wants to move away somewhat from the image of a raunchy sex-obsessed artist. When you're as talented as he is you probably want to be known for more than, "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste outta your mouth." You better wake up, Stella. This is my town! | |
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coachsean said: SynthiaRose said: Well "validate beliefs" is not an accurate description of what i want. I am looking for him to continue to share beliefs we once had in common. ... so he won't seem like a hypocrite. Growth doesn't mean you have to negate the past. If you stand secure in every decision you make, you don't have to regret anything as you grow. You recognize the beliefs you had in every phase of life were valid for that time and should be respected as such. I'm looking for him to continue to validate his past work ... not my beliefs. I don't understand the judging of one to be a hypocrite just because his views change over time. I used to womanize. Every relationship i ever had was ultimately ruined by my inability to stay monagamous. Now...Those were some great times that i can look back on fondly. But ultimately at a certain point in my 30's i found myself alone...and miserable because i had hurt so many along the way. I since found a lady that i'm faithful to and has become my wife. I no longer believe in disrespecting her by acting like a sex craved fool. I've matured...i've changed. Am i a hypocrite if i see a young person following in my footsteps and i mention that there might be a better way? That i was where they were at...that "i lived it"...and though i'm okay at the fact i did what i did and that doing so has made me a better, more informed person...I see now that i'm much happier since i "changed". So i won't tell you that you shouldn't do what you do...i'll just let you know that you may learn sometime that there's a more responsible way to act. And if your going to learn it sooner than later...i just want to give you a heads up that might help you learn it sooner. I coach high school basketball and if suggesting or "preaching" to my players that there is a better way to treat people and show them respect...while still having FUN (even though i was just like them back in the day)...makes me a hypocrite...then I can live with that. It's a risk i'm willing to take in exchange for maybe helping a teen not go through all the bumps in the road i did...the rewards are to great not to risk it. I would imagine P. feels his beliefs in how to educate the many is worth the risk of losing the respect of the few. I say more power to him and i only hope his lesson gets through to the majority and not the minority. p.s. i'm not a j.w. and i curse all the time in the appropriate setting...my fav P. song is still Sexy M.F. I just respect his opinion to be what he needs to be at this stage in his life and i don't need him to change it just to make "ME" happy. what i object to are his words as follows: Last week, Prince told a US radio station why: "I've taken them out 'cause you've got children coming to the concert. For an artist not to be responsible and care about those children and how they first hear the music, that says a lot. Anybody missing those songs, you really want to ask yourself why you miss them, 'cause I think it says more about you than it does about me." what a load of crap. i'm beginning to dislike the new prince and his self-righteous attitude | |
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skywalker said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: ...which ain't what he's sayin at all. not even close. he's not the only person in the music biz who has had freaky notions in their songs n'such. his name might be one someone would think of right away if they were asked, "who sang some freaky sex shit back in the day?" but overall? not in the least. there is always someone or somethin out there that is freakier than the freakiest freak. So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor? [This message was edited Fri May 7 15:46:50 2004 by skywalker] well, i'm not 20something but to me it means he's being really arrogant by taking credit for the way the music trends have developed over the past 20 years. someone should pop that enormous head of his before he lifts off and floats away | |
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skywalker said: So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor? Might he just be refrering to himself. Essentially, "I've pushed that particular envelope as far as I needed to push it and I don't need to push it anymore" ? That's how I took it, Even though he certainly thimks that others have pushed it too far, I didn't take it as him taking credit for pushing the envelope as far as it needed to go. But that's just my opinion. . [This message was edited Fri May 7 16:26:51 2004 by Universaluv] | |
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Universaluv said: skywalker said: So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor? Might he just be refrering to himself. Essentially, "I've pushed that particular envelope as far as I needed to push it and I don't need to push it anymore" ? That's how I took it, Even though he certainly thimks that others have pushed it too far, I didn't take it as him taking credit for pushing the envelope as far as it needed to go. But that's just my opinion. . [This message was edited Fri May 7 16:26:51 2004 by Universaluv] Perhaps- but that quote has always been said after a question regarding Janet's boob or rap lyrics, etc. "well, i'm not 20something but to me it means he's being really arrogant by taking credit for the way the music trends have developed over the past 20 years. someone should pop that enormous head of his before he lifts off and floats away" I agree that he is arrogant, but he is very responsible for the way music trends have developed in the last 20 years. "New Power slide...." |
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I just think he's like anyone else,one day he feels this way the next he don't,wouldnt suprise me if he starts the full time swearin back up in a couple of years.  | |
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Given the playful way he has dealt with the audience reation to the, "I wanna go down south," lyric, I do think he is relaxing his uptight stance somewhat. If he continues down that road he'll probably keep phrasing things in a way that are more suggestive than overtly vulgar, which makes for more interesting lyrics anyway. You better wake up, Stella. This is my town! | |
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skywalker said: Universaluv said: Might he just be refrering to himself. Essentially, "I've pushed that particular envelope as far as I needed to push it and I don't need to push it anymore" ? That's how I took it, Even though he certainly thimks that others have pushed it too far, I didn't take it as him taking credit for pushing the envelope as far as it needed to go. But that's just my opinion. . [This message was edited Fri May 7 16:26:51 2004 by Universaluv] Perhaps- but that quote has always been said after a question regarding Janet's boob or rap lyrics, etc. "well, i'm not 20something but to me it means he's being really arrogant by taking credit for the way the music trends have developed over the past 20 years. someone should pop that enormous head of his before he lifts off and floats away" I agree that he is arrogant, but he is very responsible for the way music trends have developed in the last 20 years. i think a few others, such as madonna, can be credited too. remember her book, 'sex' ~! | |
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skywalker said: So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor?
Who are you and why are you always so goddamn mean and cranky? Lighten the fuck up. Laugh at yourself. It's fantastic. Try it. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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"Props n' pounds" to SynthiaRose! Everything you said made sense,and the way you layed it out...oohhh...so good. I love reading the words of intelligent 1's. As for the topic at hand, I say live and let live. Being a fan of his music is knowing and accepting the fact that he's gonna hit 'cha with a "New Position" everytime! Substitute "Position" with ; Idea, Belief, Musical Style...it's all cyclical. I don't necessarily believe that at some point he WOULDN'T come full-circle and once again embrace his more R-rated songs/lyrics. Most artists liken songwriting to that of "giving birth", and their songs,as "thier children." That being said, he doesn't strike me as a parent who'd turn his back on his own children? Time will tell...it always does.
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:7ffbb74035]Why do you all even CARE what or how this dude thinks? He's an ENTERTAINER. That's it. [/color]
Personally, I care because I've been listening to his music rabidly since 1999 came out, when I was 7 years old. Prince and his music was always (and still is, in my opinion) much more than just ENTERTAINMENT. Prince's music absolutely helped to shape my worldview and instill a love for diversity, for all colors, sexes and persuasions...I would definitely not have come out of the closet when I was 17 if it wasn't for Prince and the profound message that I read in his music. These are some of my favorites: "white black puerto rican everybody just a-freakin'" "that war is such a fucking bore, party up" "welcome to the new power generation - the reason why my voice is so clear is cause there's no smack in my brain" "we are the new power generation, we want to change the world, the only thing that's in our way is you" "hey! we got the power! oh, we got the soul! hey, we got the sho' nuff get-all to make the devil go, go" "i'm blinded by the daisies in your yard" "this one's for yosemite sam and the tourists at disneyland - this one's for the ocean, the sea, the shore.....that's for me, that's who that one's for - this one's for women, so beautifully complex - this one's for love.... without sex" "if we cannot make babies, maybe we can make some time" "'are you gay?' it kinda took me by surprise, i didn't know what to do. i just looked her in her eyes, and said 'no, are you?'" "am i black or white, am i straight or gay? "this is not music, this is a trip. no it's not a drug, it's something mo betta." "welcome 2 the new spiritual revolution" "lovesexy is the feeling you get when you're in love. not with a girl or boy, but with the heavens above." "Anna Stesia come to me, talk to me, ravish me, liberate my mind." "Maybe maybe maybe I could learn to love, if I could just learn to get closer, closer to your Higher self, I don't know - Closer to Heaven, maybe...closer to God....." "If anybody asks you, you belong to Prince" "all the crack in compton won't setcha free" "I know from righteous, I know from sin. I got two sides and they're both friends." "on the 6th day he made the sea, then on the seventh day, he made me - he was tryin' to rest y'all when he heard the sound, sound like a guitar cold gettin' down - i tried to bust a high note, but i bust a string, my god was worried until he heard me sing, ow! my name is prince and i am funky." "abraham lincoln is a racist who said you cannot escape from history" "like the snow falling down the mountain that lands upon Wounded Knee, nobody wants to take the weight, the responsibility" "there is a park that is known for the face it attracts - a colorful people whose hair on one side was swept back. the smile on their faces it speaks of profound inner peace - ask where they're goin', they'll tell you nowhere. they've taken a lifetime lease on paisley park." That wasn't and isn't just "entertainment" to me and to (I would hope) the vast majority of the people on these boards. SynthiaRose, I feel you.....I was where you are a few years ago, and it's not a fun place to be. Keep this in mind, though...at each of the 4 concerts I went to last month, he led the crowd in a chant during Controversy: "People call me rude. I wish we all were nude. I wish there was no black and white, I wish there were no rules." Little man's always gonna be a freak. He just needs this strict religious stuff for his own reasons....but trust me, underneath it all he's fucking the taste outta buttloads of mouths.  [This message was edited Fri May 7 19:47:33 2004 by theblueangel] No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Budlite, BlueAngel--
your support is uplifting .... That chant at the concert: "People call me rude, I wish we all were nude. I wish there was no black and white. I wish there were no rules" I remember that! There's hope still  | |
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Prince Wants us to Concentrate on his Message I think on the Music and not just on his Body or Sex. I think the whole thing is PRINCe has Profound Issues he is Interested in and maybe all this other stuff seems and maybe it's Because all we do is Gossip bout stuff. I don't know but he's older and he Doesn't Party like a Teenager anymore. He's a RESPONSIBLe | |
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skywalker said: Universaluv said: Might he just be refrering to himself. Essentially, "I've pushed that particular envelope as far as I needed to push it and I don't need to push it anymore" ? That's how I took it, Even though he certainly thimks that others have pushed it too far, I didn't take it as him taking credit for pushing the envelope as far as it needed to go. But that's just my opinion. . [This message was edited Fri May 7 16:26:51 2004 by Universaluv] Perhaps- but that quote has always been said after a question regarding Janet's boob or rap lyrics, etc. "well, i'm not 20something but to me it means he's being really arrogant by taking credit for the way the music trends have developed over the past 20 years. someone should pop that enormous head of his before he lifts off and floats away" I agree that he is arrogant, but he is very responsible for the way music trends have developed in the last 20 years. Sure he doesn't like where things have gone but to me he primarily seems to be talking about himself: Prince: "There's certain songs I don't play anymore, just like there's certain words I don't say anymore," he told Newsweek last month. "It's not me anymore. Don't follow me way back there. There's no more envelope to push. I pushed it off the table. It's on the floor. Let's move forward now." Still, you may be absolutely right. Maybe he is taking credit for pushing the envelope as far as it needs to go. And you know what. Big fricking deal. We've disected and scrutinized 2 or 3 sentences that a musician said in a couple of interviews as though he's Moses in a pair of pumps come down from Mount Sinai to drop some knowledge on flock. Damn, looking at this thread I'm just as guilty of giving his comment way more attention that it probably deserves. No wonder he didn't do interviews back in the day. . [This message was edited Fri May 7 20:17:35 2004 by Universaluv] | |
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BlaqueKnight said:[quoteI don't buy his sh*t anymore because in changing who he was, he lost some of what I liked that manifested itself in his music. So be it.[/quote]
then why do you waste your time even coming here? The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community. | |
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skywalker said: So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor?
the cat's referrin to himself and himself only, and not comparing himself to everyone else. it all comes back to what i said. f'rinstance: have you ever heard of a guy by the name of g.g. allin? | |
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Yeah GG Allin a punk guy who bled a lot and did a lot of weird/freaky shit-moreso than Prince. Here's the difference- you had to ask me if I knew who GG Allin was. He's totally obscure-no teenage girls flocked to the stores to get his album/concerts whatever.
No one in pop music pushed it like Prince did. "Dirty Mind" is your favorite, so you should know this, but it had a parental warning lable on it before they were even invented. It was this generic warning printed up on the cover of the cassette version. So yeah he's talking about himself in relation to everyone else in pop music- here is his exact quote from Entertainment Weekly: "After Janet, we've gone too far. You can't push the envelope any further than I pushed it. So stop!" So tell me that isn't Prince understanding and acknowledging that he was the original rude boy who broke more taboos in pop in the last 20 years than most other pop acts past or present. By the way I think this thread has ended up nicely for being in danger of falling throughto China  "New Power slide...." |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: skywalker said: So tell me, you wise 20something, what does he mean when he says that there is no envelope to push because he pushed it off of the table onto the floor?
the cat's referrin to himself and himself only, and not comparing himself to everyone else. it all comes back to what i said. f'rinstance: have you ever heard of a guy by the name of g.g. allin? Wow, I've just learnt who G.G. Allin was! Why doesn't Prince start shitting on stage, then eating it, before shoving his microphone up his ass??? The Beautiful Ones performance in PR could have been improved so much. What a waste.   ..... BULLSEYE! | |
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